I do really wish we were all solid squares. It's pretty much my biggest pet wish that'll never happen. It would change the feel so much being able to hide among the NPCs or having to hunt through them to find CMDRs.
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P2P servers. Open universe.
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I do really wish we were all solid squares. It's pretty much my biggest pet wish that'll never happen. It would change the feel so much being able to hide among the NPCs or having to hunt through them to find CMDRs.
I played eve for years, does the universe still get rebooted daily?
P2P also avoids having to pay a monthly subscription
This had weight in Frontier's decision to choose this option
This had weight in Frontier's decision to choose this option
FDEV knew that this sort of game is relativly niche so, sensible IMO, they cast their net wide.
This means they have a spectrum (it's a space ship game so lets be honest that has a double meaning) of players.
This means those on the ends, full on MMO types and single player only game types are not getting what they want.
The question for FDEV is how significant are those numbers compared to players like myself who arn't interested in MMO politics, guilds etc but do like the option of flying around with a few mates at times or interacting with some random strangers when the mood takes.
For someone like myself they got it pretty much spot on.
This means they have a spectrum (it's a space ship game so lets be honest that has a double meaning) of players.
This means those on the ends, full on MMO types and single player only game types are not getting what they want.
The question for FDEV is how significant are those numbers compared to players like myself who arn't interested in MMO politics, guilds etc but do like the option of flying around with a few mates at times or interacting with some random strangers when the mood takes.
For someone like myself they got it pretty much spot on.
I can reliably tell you that, the only one that should be affected is the lagging player and interactions with said lagging player, course yes, if you are the lagging player then yes, you'll have issues.
If you want bigger and more reliable instances, call your ISP today and tell them to stop sucking at providing internet connectivity 
If you want bigger and more reliable instances, call your ISP today and tell them to stop sucking at providing internet connectivity
Unfortunately basically this.
ISP quality, and routing is.......immensely important.
It might be possible, but also add costs as CGs are very popular.
One suggestion that was made would be to allow those who want a C/S architecture pay for it. But i just don't see enough people being willing to pay for it to make it worthwhile for FD. For all the noise made over people wanting C/S, the % of the playerbase who care enough to pay is probably less than a % of a %.
well, thats what "should" be,
but thats what happens in a CS enviroment, not in a p2p.
if i had bookmarked it, i could link a stream snippet from a streamer that i met in a combat zone.
after he mentioned his sudden wonky controls and certain laggy game on stream - i apologised to him and left the zone -> and with that, his game was back to normal.
note: been 3 or 4 player in the same instance there.
Hell, I'd totally get behind FD making available C/S modes as subscription-based services. I'd sure as hell pay for an Open PvE-only mode. Yes, please.
They could make choices available- and people can pay for what they wish. I'd be really interested to see which gains more subscriptions.
- Open PvP
- Open PvE
Continued suggestion of PG's as PvE-only or Co-Op mode in comparison to Open by the PvP Agenda is an absolute fallacy.
PG's is NOT a reasonable implementation of PvE mode in comparison to Open, there's player limit (which Mobius has reached many times) as well as no active way to control Friendly Fire in PG's.
Give the players what they want- (as long as they're willing to pay for it) and you'll see a lot less whinge threads being created as a result. Win/win for everyone.
Those who don't wish to pay for a subscription based service can simply play the game as it's currently implemented. You get what you pay for.
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No I wouldn't pay for a sub. There's no way those not paying for the sub wouldn't get shafted in some way.
They would have to offer up on some other features they cut before they could even begin to entertain offering subs like providing a true offline version of the game.
They would have to offer up on some other features they cut before they could even begin to entertain offering subs like providing a true offline version of the game.
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do you keep track of your bandwidth usage? human player may be in the same supercruise instance, but not yet visible to you
alternatively, you can open windows' resource monitor and check how many connections are there. you can kinda "see" how many player are in your vincinity, since peer2peer means youre client has to open a connection to each of them.
the most obvious indicator for other player around, is the presence of powerplay or system authority vessels with different language names - if the other player has a different client language set as you.
#5 is not a problem, you're just jumping onto a big backbone there, and it doesn't deal with your traceroute, this is not unusual. The next hop is an Level3 pipe, which is a big inet backbone. Nothing to worry about, looks completely normal.
But, here's the thing: 128 to the US is not terrible. In a Client/Server scenario, if you play with another player in Germany, this would double. Your latency to the server + their latency to the server = 256 ms, a quarter of a second.
Whereas in P2P, you're connecting directly, which means your latency to each other would be 10-20 ms.
The generalization of the optical fiber for everyone should improve the things in the future
Don't want "premium" features? Then it's simple- don't pay for them. You don't "lose" anything more than you currently have already.
Buy the game "as is", and play it "as is". Nothing stopping you from playing Solo "online-connected" as currently implemented.
Bemoaning the KS offline mode isn't going to accomplish anything this many years past release. I too, really wanted "offline mode", but I'm thinking realistically here.
You can either accept that, or don't- but the point is money talks. I'm quite sure many others would be willing to pay for a TRUE implementation of either PvP/PvE modes.
A continued revenue stream really would be the best course of action in furthering development of this game.
please add an american player into the same instance in both scenarios.
Don't want "premium" features? Then it's simple- don't pay for them. You don't "lose" anything more than you currently have already.
Buy the game "as is", and play it "as is". Nothing stopping you from playing Solo "online-connected" as currently implemented.
Bemoaning the KS offline mode isn't going to accomplish anything this many years past release. I too, really wanted "offline mode", but I'm thinking realistically here.
You can either accept that, or don't- but the point is money talks. I'm quite sure many others would be willing to pay for a TRUE implementation of either PvP/PvE modes.
A continued revenue stream really would be the best course of action in furthering development of this game.
Nope.
I bought or backed the game on the idea there would be only expansion and no subs ever that gave special treatment to subbers. Not interested at all in them having subs then deciding we gonna dev for the sub player base and fudge the non subs cause you know "reason".
I too want proper open pve and open pvp servers but it should be provided to everyone, cause player groups are not cutting it and we all know it, without us having to fork over more cash.
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If you're talking about what I think you're talking about, that happens when you are moving at vastly different speeds than other ships in SC, so like when you fly by a planet really fast while other ships are caught in the gravity well, or vice versa.
I guess the NPCs are hosted by another player, just because you can't see him it doesn't mean you aren't in his instance. Happens quite a lot to me and this (+ longer transition times) is the reason I no longer play Open.