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Struggling to fortify Parsi on my own commanders!
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Fortification
Systems where fortification is complete and no longer needs any more work are in red, systems that still need your help are in green.
Smei Tsu is in the most trouble right now - Parsi is well on its way, and should soon be finished; once done focus needs to go to Smei Tsu (remember, no large pad available there), and Turbacobo- which are facing resistance. Commanders should prioritise the unfinished systems that are most at risk.
Undermining
We are doing great in Zeta Microscopii right now. We are just over 500 Merits away from hitting our Undermining trigger, and Delaine's Expansion attempt is on a woeful 5%. As long as we hit our trigger and stay ahead of Delaine's Merits in this system, we will successfully stop Delaine Expanding here. Great job from our combat commanders here. Next cycle we ought to get another shot at Prepping Negasargun - still a good system, and one we already plan to go for in Cycle 5.
Expansion
We have already hit our Expansion target in LP 940-115 and are staying ahead. We didn't really want the system, but it's not too bad, and since we have played our hand carefully we're in no danger of overextending ourselves if we do take it. Lausang, Contiku, Thule, and Gliese 76 still haven't hit their triggers, and Lausang and Contiku have seen opposition. We're not too bothered about getting Lausang - though again, if we do take it it's not a terrible thing - or Thule. We do however want Gliese 76 and Contiku. Commanders looking for combat can help out by heading over there.
Preparation
Preparation is of less importance to us this cycle than Fortification, but even so it's been going well. Our chosen 5 systems of Kassimshipa, HIP 101846, Beta Caeli, Apalok, and Paesi are in our Top 8 white list, meaning at this stage they're on course to get into our Expansion list in Cycle 5. Now that Lavigny no longer wants Caria, we can make a real play for it too, securing our borders around Bang. Lavigny are still ahead of us there, so we'll have to put in some effort, but with them dropping it from their list as too expensive for them (due to overheads, they actually want low value systems now that will be cheap for them to upkeep), we may quite reasonably overtake Caria. Cuchua isn't really a system we want, as such, but it's being Prepped by Delaine and we want to shut him out of that area, so we're in a Prep race with Delaine in Cuchua for that reason. Fuelum has dropped outside of the white list, which is good. LTT 9397 is on the red list too - though it's not a bad target in terms of strategically securing our borders against Delaine, and we may want to make a real play for that next cycle - Peche too. Hats off to Commander Gusty, who singlehandedly pushed his home system of Tsim Binba up and to the attention of other commanders, and it is now in the #1 spot. For our Power, continuing to Expand as we can do since we're not suffering badly under overheads yet, Tsim Binba is admittedly not a system of particular interest to us. However, when we reach critical mass, it's systems just like Tsim Binba that we'll be looking to move into - strategic (it's high tech and we can always use those), lower CC yield (but that means lower overheads!), and cutting in to our existing territory (again, lower overheads) - so whilst we're not looking for that sort of thing now, in future when our territory is larger systems like Tsim Binba are just what we'll be looking for.
A Word on Foreign Powers
Now that Lavigny and Hudson are facing imminent turmoil and collapse due to over-extending themselves, and Winters and Torval aren't far behind, we here at Senator Patreus' office have shifted our strategy - and so have the other Powers. The introduction of overheads means that a Power reaches a critical mass and then can't afford its overheads anymore, meaning it can't pay its systems' costs, and it falls into turmoil. With the huge increase in Expansion, Fortification, and Undermining trigger threshholds, Fortification (and Undermining) is now much harder. This is why our new strategy has such a heavy emphasis on Fortification first, and then conservative, slow-and-steady Expansion. Our number one priority is securing and consolidating our existing power. Then, since we are not over-extending ourselves, we can still afford to think about doing some Expansion - but we're on the brakes on this one because we do not want to reach the critical mass danger zone. Now, the likes of Lavigny are specifically pursuing a policy now of going for low value systems, and systems that will include contested exploited systems (i.e. the bubble overlaps with another Power). They have targeted systems that overlap with us, with the express purpose of making them contested, so that they do not have to pay as much overhead, and in order to suck away some of our CC. Obviously this is not good for us right now - and we take a very dim view of this. Ironically though they are doing us a favour in the long run, as, when we approach critical mass, we too will want contested areas and low value systems, in order to keep our overheads low and stop us going into negative CC. It's therefore hard to know whether or not we should be condemning this. Fellow Imperial powers have an uneasy understanding right now where we are not hostile, and rather focusing on hostile external Powers like Delaine and Hudson. Lavigny eating into our territory like this is deliberately harmful to us at the moment, but long term it could help, and open hostility may not be the best course of action.
Commanders, it's important that you get the word out to your fellows - Fortification is now of much greater importance, and whilst we do still plan on Expanding, we really want to limit ourselves to just worthwhile Expansions. If we can just Prep ONLY the systems that are good for us - or at least, stop bad systems at the Expansion phase by just not Expanding them - that would be great.
Fortification
Systems where fortification is complete and no longer needs any more work are in red, systems that still need your help are in green.
- Smei Tsu - FT 8300/UT 7845
- Turbacobo - FT 7010/UT 9030
- Parsi - FT 3770/UT 8415
- Lao Zi - FT 3615/UT 8740
- Guguroro - FT 3545/UT 8915
- HIP 117865 - FT 3315/UT 9645
- LTT 47 - FT 6345/UT 10310
- Turir - FT 6255/UT 10565
- Buricasses - FT 3075/UT 10920
- Bang - FT 3055/UT 11070
- Wangal - FT 2990/UT 11595
- Atfero - FT 5800/UT 12550
- Picaurukan - FT 5690/UT 13315
- Omicron Gruis - FT 2820/UT 13760
- Ininohima - FT 5350/UT 17950
- Pemeowa - FT 5300/UT 19160
- Wong Guin - FT 2640/UT 19695
- Zelano - FT 2635/UT 20220
- Chapsugaibo - FT 5140/UT 27605
- HR 706 - FT 2560/UT 29575
- CF 464 - FT 5045/UT 46575
Smei Tsu is in the most trouble right now - Parsi is well on its way, and should soon be finished; once done focus needs to go to Smei Tsu (remember, no large pad available there), and Turbacobo- which are facing resistance. Commanders should prioritise the unfinished systems that are most at risk.
Undermining
We are doing great in Zeta Microscopii right now. We are just over 500 Merits away from hitting our Undermining trigger, and Delaine's Expansion attempt is on a woeful 5%. As long as we hit our trigger and stay ahead of Delaine's Merits in this system, we will successfully stop Delaine Expanding here. Great job from our combat commanders here. Next cycle we ought to get another shot at Prepping Negasargun - still a good system, and one we already plan to go for in Cycle 5.
Expansion
We have already hit our Expansion target in LP 940-115 and are staying ahead. We didn't really want the system, but it's not too bad, and since we have played our hand carefully we're in no danger of overextending ourselves if we do take it. Lausang, Contiku, Thule, and Gliese 76 still haven't hit their triggers, and Lausang and Contiku have seen opposition. We're not too bothered about getting Lausang - though again, if we do take it it's not a terrible thing - or Thule. We do however want Gliese 76 and Contiku. Commanders looking for combat can help out by heading over there.
Preparation
Preparation is of less importance to us this cycle than Fortification, but even so it's been going well. Our chosen 5 systems of Kassimshipa, HIP 101846, Beta Caeli, Apalok, and Paesi are in our Top 8 white list, meaning at this stage they're on course to get into our Expansion list in Cycle 5. Now that Lavigny no longer wants Caria, we can make a real play for it too, securing our borders around Bang. Lavigny are still ahead of us there, so we'll have to put in some effort, but with them dropping it from their list as too expensive for them (due to overheads, they actually want low value systems now that will be cheap for them to upkeep), we may quite reasonably overtake Caria. Cuchua isn't really a system we want, as such, but it's being Prepped by Delaine and we want to shut him out of that area, so we're in a Prep race with Delaine in Cuchua for that reason. Fuelum has dropped outside of the white list, which is good. LTT 9397 is on the red list too - though it's not a bad target in terms of strategically securing our borders against Delaine, and we may want to make a real play for that next cycle - Peche too. Hats off to Commander Gusty, who singlehandedly pushed his home system of Tsim Binba up and to the attention of other commanders, and it is now in the #1 spot. For our Power, continuing to Expand as we can do since we're not suffering badly under overheads yet, Tsim Binba is admittedly not a system of particular interest to us. However, when we reach critical mass, it's systems just like Tsim Binba that we'll be looking to move into - strategic (it's high tech and we can always use those), lower CC yield (but that means lower overheads!), and cutting in to our existing territory (again, lower overheads) - so whilst we're not looking for that sort of thing now, in future when our territory is larger systems like Tsim Binba are just what we'll be looking for.
A Word on Foreign Powers
Now that Lavigny and Hudson are facing imminent turmoil and collapse due to over-extending themselves, and Winters and Torval aren't far behind, we here at Senator Patreus' office have shifted our strategy - and so have the other Powers. The introduction of overheads means that a Power reaches a critical mass and then can't afford its overheads anymore, meaning it can't pay its systems' costs, and it falls into turmoil. With the huge increase in Expansion, Fortification, and Undermining trigger threshholds, Fortification (and Undermining) is now much harder. This is why our new strategy has such a heavy emphasis on Fortification first, and then conservative, slow-and-steady Expansion. Our number one priority is securing and consolidating our existing power. Then, since we are not over-extending ourselves, we can still afford to think about doing some Expansion - but we're on the brakes on this one because we do not want to reach the critical mass danger zone. Now, the likes of Lavigny are specifically pursuing a policy now of going for low value systems, and systems that will include contested exploited systems (i.e. the bubble overlaps with another Power). They have targeted systems that overlap with us, with the express purpose of making them contested, so that they do not have to pay as much overhead, and in order to suck away some of our CC. Obviously this is not good for us right now - and we take a very dim view of this. Ironically though they are doing us a favour in the long run, as, when we approach critical mass, we too will want contested areas and low value systems, in order to keep our overheads low and stop us going into negative CC. It's therefore hard to know whether or not we should be condemning this. Fellow Imperial powers have an uneasy understanding right now where we are not hostile, and rather focusing on hostile external Powers like Delaine and Hudson. Lavigny eating into our territory like this is deliberately harmful to us at the moment, but long term it could help, and open hostility may not be the best course of action.
Commanders, it's important that you get the word out to your fellows - Fortification is now of much greater importance, and whilst we do still plan on Expanding, we really want to limit ourselves to just worthwhile Expansions. If we can just Prep ONLY the systems that are good for us - or at least, stop bad systems at the Expansion phase by just not Expanding them - that would be great.
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Quick update to above Fortification status list to reflect completing of Fortification at Guguroro and Lao Zi.
Also - we have now hit the Undermining trigger in Zeta Microscopii. We will stop Delaine's Expansion there unless he can manage to get ahead of us, which looks extremely doubtful at this point seeing as how he's on 6% in Expansion there (we're on 125% in Undermining).
Prep has pretty much stayed the same, as has Expansion. Once Smei Tsu, Parsi, and Turbacobo are Fortified we'll be in a much more secure position and can maybe put some more time into Prep and Expansion - although Fortifying all our systems would eliminate their upkeep costs (if they're not Undermined, and quite a few systems this cycle are not being at all Undermined), increasing our CC.
Cmdr Starcloak signing off for the night.
Also - we have now hit the Undermining trigger in Zeta Microscopii. We will stop Delaine's Expansion there unless he can manage to get ahead of us, which looks extremely doubtful at this point seeing as how he's on 6% in Expansion there (we're on 125% in Undermining).
Prep has pretty much stayed the same, as has Expansion. Once Smei Tsu, Parsi, and Turbacobo are Fortified we'll be in a much more secure position and can maybe put some more time into Prep and Expansion - although Fortifying all our systems would eliminate their upkeep costs (if they're not Undermined, and quite a few systems this cycle are not being at all Undermined), increasing our CC.
Cmdr Starcloak signing off for the night.
3) Spokesperson/people. There's been some talk of choosing, and frankly other Power leaders keep telling me I need to have official endorsement when I try to make diplomatic overtures. Cmdr Vyvian of Angeli Imperial (thank you, commander) has suggested an overall, independent Patreus representative who can co-ordinate and not be affiliated to any one specific player group. And well, ahem, I'm not saying me but... maybe me?
You get my vote Commander Starcloak.
Once we get the promised private forums here we can make a list of pledgers.
If you need a hand doing anything let me know.
Patreus Prevails! (I know this has caused some confusion, but is a slightly tongue in cheek reference to the film "V", where a Dictatorship is running England, and after every speech the orator shouts "England Prevails!"). Most people will recognise the masks if not the above quote.
I've updated the above list to show systems that we finished Fortifying overnight (Parsi and Picaurukan). I could post another overall update, but little has changed in Prep, Expansion, and Undermining, and there's a stand out issue that needs to have attention drawn to it: Smei Tsu.
Smei Tsu really needs Commanders' help now. So far, Undermining is ahead there, although neither has hit the trigger yet. It only has outposts, so bring your Pythons, Asps, whatever is your best medium sized cargo hauler.
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Thank you for the vote of confidence. I did intend, when making that post, for commanders to chip in with their thoughts about steam group, foreign relations, and votes (yea or nay), by the way. Over on the reddit they've been a lot more vocal - but commanders here can and are encouraged to chip in too.
Smei Tsu really needs Commanders' help now. So far, Undermining is ahead there, although neither has hit the trigger yet. It only has outposts, so bring your Pythons, Asps, whatever is your best medium sized cargo hauler.
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Thank you for the vote of confidence. I did intend, when making that post, for commanders to chip in with their thoughts about steam group, foreign relations, and votes (yea or nay), by the way. Over on the reddit they've been a lot more vocal - but commanders here can and are encouraged to chip in too.
Patreus? He doesn't give a RIP about the Empire
...and his supporters is stealing yardsigns at night
Who would support such a dummy?
https://youtu.be/jU7fhIO7DG0?t=38s
...and his supporters is stealing yardsigns at night
Who would support such a dummy?
https://youtu.be/jU7fhIO7DG0?t=38s
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I am sorry but I am having trouble understanding your post. RIP= Rest In Peace: not sure of your contextual reference here.
Stealing yardsigns at night? I am having trouble comprehending this phrase.
Dummy: teething device for a young child: again there is a contextual variance to normal parlance.
If you have a complaint against Senator Patreus then please use form EMP/PAT/COMP 1004 V2
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Seconded.
However I believe the main thrust of the post was "Patreus doesn't care about the Empire, why do you support him because I think he's stupid?"
1. Senator Patreus is not stupid. By his own efforts he entered the position of Senator and has served for some 25 years. He's an experienced and canny politician with a long-term strategy. He started out with modest wealth, and once again by his own efforts increased that wealth to astronomical levels, and built up a private fleet that is unrivalled. This is an intelligent man who has grown in power in all areas and has successfully outmanoeuvred the attempts of rivals to topple him to date. He's far from stupid.
2. Senator Patreus does care about the Empire. He's one of the few pushing for progress and change, driving the Empire forwards instead of letting it stagnate. Unlike many unnotable Senators, who are so unremarkable and content to maintain the status quo that we don't even know their names, Senator Patreus calls on us to self-improvement, to question out-dated institutions that do not best serve the Empire. He works to increase the prosperity of the Empire, and rather than seeing it lag behind the Federation, would have it become the shining beacon of Humanity that the Empire has the potential to be.
3. I support him on the strength of two things: his personal qualities, his intelligence and experience, and his lack of sociopathy, which indicate that he has a good likelihood of continuing to beat out his rivals and being a competent ruler: and his objectives of building an evolved Empire that is forwards-looking, strives for excellence, and bases its hierarchy on merit rather than blood, literally putting the best people for the job in the job, which can only better serve the Empire.
I think Captain Branton want to say that we Commanders who care about our Power are stupid.
The other commanders who support the other Powers and their Leaders are doing right and are wise.
Well, just look what happens to the other Powers.
This will tell you who is right.
Senator Patreus is representing and leading our Power very well, and his comanders are not stupid.
The other commanders who support the other Powers and their Leaders are doing right and are wise.
Well, just look what happens to the other Powers.
This will tell you who is right.
Senator Patreus is representing and leading our Power very well, and his comanders are not stupid.
If we are electing a;
Shouldn't the title be more Imperial, Grand Admiral sounds too Federation.
Hýpatos or Exarch or something like that
Shouldn't the title be more Imperial, Grand Admiral sounds too Federation.
Hýpatos or Exarch or something like that
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There's always "Strategos", although that is rather Greek. There is the Latin "Imperator" meaning "Commander (in chief)"... but that might get confusing since the word was later co-opted into becoming "Emperor"... although in my case it would be "Imperatrix". Amusingly the Latin for "Admiral" is "Admiralis"... which still sounds close to the Federals. There's always "Consiliatrix" which means both "ambassador" AND "strategic advisor" - sounds about right to me.
Btw - Smei Tsu is coming along - nice to see some commanders in Pythons there, shout out to Cmdr Ace Rimzy - but we're still a ways off completing Fortification, and Undermining is much higher than us (although they also have a fair bit to go until they hit the trigger).
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Expansion
Contiku and Thule still need work in Expansion. Now, whilst Contiku is the system we really want, as we've been saying, lower value systems will actually become more important to us the closer we get to critical mass, since we'll want to cut down on our overheads. Plus, Thule is strategically a good location directly below us, and as a High Tech system offers something we want.
Preparation
Although they've called a halt to Caria, Lavigny's agents have still put a little more in there today. If we want to overhaul this (and we do, now that they've given way over it!) we'll have to really work on it the last three days of the cycle.
Fortification
Smei Tsu is absolutely our priority right now. Undermining is currently higher than our Fortification (though none have reached the trigger yet). We don't want to risk Undermining hitting the trigger and the cycle ending before we've finished Fortifying.
Keep up the good work, Commanders.
Contiku and Thule still need work in Expansion. Now, whilst Contiku is the system we really want, as we've been saying, lower value systems will actually become more important to us the closer we get to critical mass, since we'll want to cut down on our overheads. Plus, Thule is strategically a good location directly below us, and as a High Tech system offers something we want.
Preparation
Although they've called a halt to Caria, Lavigny's agents have still put a little more in there today. If we want to overhaul this (and we do, now that they've given way over it!) we'll have to really work on it the last three days of the cycle.
Fortification
Smei Tsu is absolutely our priority right now. Undermining is currently higher than our Fortification (though none have reached the trigger yet). We don't want to risk Undermining hitting the trigger and the cycle ending before we've finished Fortifying.
Keep up the good work, Commanders.
Not to be disrespectful, but I'm a pragmatic CMDR and, having ploughed some time into fortifying Smei Tsu in a DBE, I've stepped back and had a look at it. No large pads means that I can't make a notable contribution to this effort unless I sell my T9 for a Python (never!), so I'm just plugging away on a small scale when I think my time could be better spent.
Smei Tsu appears to be an outlying system for us but seems to take a lot of effort to maintain, in this and previous cycles. Is it worth it? What criteria gives it strategic significance?
EDIT: is it purely for CC/W? If so, I think CC/W needs to be considered, if it isn't already, in how time and resource consuming it is to fortify.
Regards
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Hi, just pointing out that Thule is a Service(imports only)-Refinery(minerals in, metals out) economy, rather than High Tech. Minimal shipyard (3 ships) and very limited outfitting.
Take care, there is a FDL in Smei Tsu.
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I dont want to change your opinion, but with the T9 you can get a Asp for Smei Tsu in 1,5 hours.
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I dont want to change your opinion, but with the T9 you can get a Asp for Smei Tsu in 1,5 hours.
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Yeah, I know, and I did weigh up the ASP. And then I thought, nah, why not ask the question about why we're spending so much time maintaining a system that can't accomodate a large ship.
Regards
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