Pay2Win made it to Elite

Early access to that ship is a benefit (advantage) you can buy for real money, therefore it fits the definition of P2W perfectly.
What benefit? I could have waited a few months and got it free with in-game credits. I just decided to get it through early access with a few dollars of my cash, which I can do as others have.

I am not a ganker, pirate, AX combatant, or other nefarious player. I just like exploring, and the P2 is not really an exploration ship. Nothing was gained, so I didn't play to win; I paid to play early.

If you don't like that then tough.
 
Just occurred to me. Frontier consider prestige ranks "content'. Since we're good with selling "content" now, I'd like to pay for that E5 in CQC with Arx. I'm never going to play it but it being at zero doesn't match the rest of my decor. Make it so!
Too obvious. Just sell booster packs. Like 5k ARX for a booster, giving you 3 hours of x100 progress in any rank action you do. That way, it would fit the game play much better than blatant open-wallet-poof-rank-done things.
 
Put that price-tag on a Panther-Clipper-LX JPEG in the store and I'd bet FDev would have no financial troubles again.
What! From a bunch of players who think that paying any sort of cash into a game after buying it on steam for a fiver is robbery?

ETA: But gamers not wanting to spend their money isn't too uncommon. A VR only game, with around 12 hours of unique gameplay, was released recently, the developers discord was rife with cries of "too expensive!" by folk who didn't want to pay full price for a game they wanted to play...
 
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What! From a bunch of players who think that paying any sort of cash into a game after buying it on steam for a fiver is robbery?

ETA: But gamers not wanting to spend their money isn't too uncommon. A VR only game, with around 12 hours of unique gameplay, was released recently, the developers discord was rife with cries of "too expensive!" by folk who didn't want to pay full price for a game they wanted to play...
Ok, ok. Make it a 500k Panther-Clipper-LX JPEG with EXCLUSIVE and PRE-ORDER tags all over it instead. Now that will certainly get them, will it not? Ah, give it a countdown timer with 5 days and limited stock as well, and it will be sold out in no time.
 
Put that price-tag on a Panther-Clipper-LX JPEG in the store and I'd bet FDev would have no financial troubles again.
And while they’re at it, they could rename the store to the “pledge store”, and anyone spending over 1,000,000 arx gains concierge status giving them access to another level of the pledge store where ship jpegs are sold in the billions of arx price ranges. This will finance FDEV to ditch peer-to-peer networking and instead develop new magic tech called server mushing and objectionable container screaming: never-been-done-before bleeding edge tech that will revolutionise gaming. It’s what the community wanted. This is good for Elite Dangerous.
 
And while they’re at it, they could rename the store to the “pledge store”, and anyone spending over 1,000,000 arx gains concierge status giving them access to another level of the pledge store where ship jpegs are sold in the billions of arx price ranges. This will finance FDEV to ditch peer-to-peer networking and instead develop new magic tech called server mushing and objectionable container screaming: never-been-done-before bleeding edge tech that will revolutionise gaming. It’s what the community wanted. This is good for Elite Dangerous.
Fantastic idea. My humble JPEG fades in the light of such glory. But then, nobody in their right mind would pull that off. And if so, at least nobody in their right mind would actually buy into that. No? It is not so that some company really makes a fortune with such a radical scheme, now is it?
And even if it existed, that company would only be able to pull it off for so long, right? I mean, imagine them selling JPEGs for those prices for a decade or so, without actually delivering anything substantial, but still succeeding in making money. Ridiculous thought, isn't it?
Thank god it isn't true, otherwise some managers at FDev might really be tempted to make money that way, too.
 
What benefit? I could have waited a few months and got it free with in-game credits. I just decided to get it through early access with a few dollars of my cash, which I can do as others have.

I am not a ganker, pirate, AX combatant, or other nefarious player. I just like exploring, and the P2 is not really an exploration ship. Nothing was gained, so I didn't play to win; I paid to play early.

If you don't like that then tough.

What benefit?
  • not having to wait a few months
  • not having to pay ingame credits

It's pretty simple, idk why it's so hard to understand.

The fact that you only like to explore and therefore the py2 is not much of a benefit specifically for you is totally irrelevant in the context of the general definition of p2w.
 
What benefit?
  • not having to wait a few months
  • not having to pay ingame credits

It's pretty simple, idk why it's so hard to understand.

The fact that you only like to explore and therefore the py2 is not much of a benefit specifically for you is totally irrelevant in the context of the general definition of p2w.
He literally listed down P2W elements and concluded that it wasn't P2W.

You can't make this up 😂
 
This game has always had a massive issue with new player retention ... it's well known. So anything they can do to help start and retain new players is a plus. For a game that is now consistently on sale for $5-10 plus Odyssey for like $10-15 ... no subscription ... they are well within their right to charge for anything they like. As you are well within your right to not like it.

Do people genuinely find pay to skip to be attractive as a prospect to new players? Is a game offering you ways to pay to not play it a good thing now?
 
I just like exploring, and the P2 is not really an exploration ship. Nothing was gained, so I didn't play to win; I paid to play early.

If I pay to unlock the M3 Grant in Enlisted's North Africa maps and then never use it, or only use it off in a corner alone, and thereby gain practical knowledge that would be difficult or impossible to gain elsewhere, the game doesn't become any less pay-to-win. Same premise with Arx bought assets in Elite: Dangerous. It's available, for out-of-game money, and can potentially provide an advantage. Not every player has to made good on that advantage for this to be so.

As for exploration, what ship could acquire exploration data (and convert it to influence, ranks, unlocks, and/or credits) faster than the Python Mk II? Jump range is irrelevant for most of the practical aspects of exploration. It takes maybe fifteen minutes to take essentially any ship to an area of unscanned systems. After that how fast the ship gets around in SC is the overriding factor for it's ability to acquire data. The Python Mk II has an edge, small as it may be, over most ships, in this regard.

Of course, one of the biggest benefits to flying a ship is knowing that ship, which provides advantages when it comes to confronting or evading other examples of that ship (NPC or CMDR).

Even if we acknowledge that the entertainment value of having access to the vessel isn't much of a mechanical advantage, the only way to not realize any such advantage from that ownership is to not use it, for anything.

Also, certain people having some specific playstyles, including AX players, are somehow nefarious now.

I don't think Angus was implying this. I think Angus is saying that Angus isn't paying to win...which, if Angus just leaves the ship docked to look at on occasion, could very well be just as true as it is meaningless.

Frontier made the ship pay-to-win. Someone buying it and not using it doesn't change that any more than not buying it does.

Do people genuinely find pay to skip to be attractive as a prospect to new players? Is a game offering you ways to pay to not play it a good thing now?

This isn't a new or even particularly uncommon phenomena.
 
Do people genuinely find pay to skip to be attractive as a prospect to new players? Is a game offering you ways to pay to not play it a good thing now?

Maybe Frontier should sell "You Won At Elite Dangerous And Don't Have To Play" certificates signed by David Braben. How much should people pay to not play the game? $100? $200? I'm already not playing Warhammer Realms of Ruin, Jurassic World Evolution and all the other non-Elite games in their catalog ... for free! Frontier really needs to exploit this untapped revenue source.
 
Maybe Frontier should sell "You Won At Elite Dangerous And Don't Have To Play" certificates signed by David Braben. How much should people pay to not play the game? $100? $200? I'm already not playing Warhammer Realms of Ruin, Jurassic World Evolution and all the other non-Elite games in their catalog ... for free! Frontier really needs to exploit this untapped revenue source.
At least you are not playing 40K. The only ones who win there are GW.

Steve
 
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