That would be amazing if pathing could have water and power routed automatically when created.
Planet Zoo 2 Speculation and ideas
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Really not trying to be the devils advocate here, but do we actually have sources that could back up the claim that African species are more represented in zoos? Would be an interesting read!
I known that there unfortunately is a more historic reason why we have a bigger availability in captive populations when it comes to African species, because the time the world oldest zoos started popping up was the same time of the colonization of Africa, so there was a much bigger "supply" of those animals available at that time. My local zoo unfortunately played quite a role in that.
So that would, at least partly, explain that more abundance in availability and being easier to keep, because those species have just been kept longer. But I'd be interested in more info on it though!
Besides Africa having more species represented in zoos (which I assume, but can't confirm either), another point to consider is the size and 'iconicness' of animals.
Compared to other regions, Africa still has a LOT of large megafauna, including iconic species like elephants, giraffes, hippos, rhinos and lions, and tonnes of antelopes. While other continents (most of all Asia) have this to some extent (bisons/moose for NA, tapirs for SA), they're far less. Real zoos may have relatively more species from other regions than this game (many zoos have quite some South American monkeys and birds), but they're either less appealing (less iconic/smaller) or require mechanics we don't have (i.e. birds).
Of course, PZ has shown a trend where they introduce more smaller and less iconic animals along the way (most notably Twilight and Oceania), and it has proven to work as well. So I wouldn't be too surprised to see a higher abundance of species from South America and even Oceania in the next game, but I don't think Africa (and Asia) can ever be topped when it comes to species that are interesting for these games.
Compared to other regions, Africa still has a LOT of large megafauna, including iconic species like elephants, giraffes, hippos, rhinos and lions, and tonnes of antelopes. While other continents (most of all Asia) have this to some extent (bisons/moose for NA, tapirs for SA), they're far less. Real zoos may have relatively more species from other regions than this game (many zoos have quite some South American monkeys and birds), but they're either less appealing (less iconic/smaller) or require mechanics we don't have (i.e. birds).
Of course, PZ has shown a trend where they introduce more smaller and less iconic animals along the way (most notably Twilight and Oceania), and it has proven to work as well. So I wouldn't be too surprised to see a higher abundance of species from South America and even Oceania in the next game, but I don't think Africa (and Asia) can ever be topped when it comes to species that are interesting for these games.
African animals being the most present in zoos is something completelly subjective and depends on where the zoo we are talking about is located.
In Africa? Yeah, obviously most animals will be africans, with very little from anywhere else (even if this little is somewhat not found anywhere else cought cought marine iguana cought cought).
In NA and Europe? Maybe is true, maybe isn't, the idea that most animals in those zoos are african might by ilusion that most megafauna are, indeed, african, hence making us remember better about them, but as most of us don't count the multiple small animals that probably come from asia and SA, maybe they are the majority, who knows.
In SA and Asia? Definitelly not, as most animals in zoos are native animals, with African animals competing with SA animals in Asia and vice versa.
In oceania? I honestly don't know, it might be true considering what i hear in this forum and the native fauna of the continent, unless all those marsupial outnumber all the african, south american and asian species.
Now it's also worth to mention that acording ztl, the most common species in captivity come from other continents than Africa, with the first place being the Indian peafowl, coming along with african goat, fallow deer, emu, guinea pig, rabbit, parakeet, B&Y macaw, meerkat and alpaca, so only two make it to top 10.
In Africa? Yeah, obviously most animals will be africans, with very little from anywhere else (even if this little is somewhat not found anywhere else cought cought marine iguana cought cought).
In NA and Europe? Maybe is true, maybe isn't, the idea that most animals in those zoos are african might by ilusion that most megafauna are, indeed, african, hence making us remember better about them, but as most of us don't count the multiple small animals that probably come from asia and SA, maybe they are the majority, who knows.
In SA and Asia? Definitelly not, as most animals in zoos are native animals, with African animals competing with SA animals in Asia and vice versa.
In oceania? I honestly don't know, it might be true considering what i hear in this forum and the native fauna of the continent, unless all those marsupial outnumber all the african, south american and asian species.
Now it's also worth to mention that acording ztl, the most common species in captivity come from other continents than Africa, with the first place being the Indian peafowl, coming along with african goat, fallow deer, emu, guinea pig, rabbit, parakeet, B&Y macaw, meerkat and alpaca, so only two make it to top 10.
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Thanks to PC2 we can expect three new much requested features for PZ2: new pathing, scaling and the biome/sceneny brush
I also want the swimming pool tool to make ponds and pools for our animals. Just imagine how easy would be to create a penguin pool for example. You set the deep and shape and just 1 click gives you a perfect tank where the animals can easily enter and dive without having problems with the terrain being too steep.
Honestly would be fine with it being the way to make aviaries. You draw a shape, and you get it. As long as you can edit some of the nodes, add some poles in the middle and have some control over the overall roof shape I'm all good!
Plus the option to make it null. For all those maniacs who want to build custom ones
TbH, I really like the water and power system. No more of those ugly power generators. And cables are much more realistic too.
What I find really strange is that they didn't post the release date of PC2. Isn't there still a chance to play it via beta beforehand? At least with PZ, if you bought the deluxe version you also had access to the beta. If it really is Fall24, it's going to be a bit tight for that, or am I wrong?
What I find really strange is that they didn't post the release date of PC2. Isn't there still a chance to play it via beta beforehand? At least with PZ, if you bought the deluxe version you also had access to the beta. If it really is Fall24, it's going to be a bit tight for that, or am I wrong?
My thoughts exactly during the deep dive. I would die to have realistic, artificial pools made easy. Please with an even easier option for underwater viewing. One of my favourite animals is the California Sea Lion and I rarely build them or use them because I struggle so much with realistic, artificial pools. Give me the Planco 2 version NOW!
Oh, I'll take that as well. But please let them give us the option to put something else than birds into it also. Small monkeys, small cats etc. So that it's not bound to only birds.
I saw someone suggest this kind of tool for exhibits/terrariums, and I'm hoping we will indeed get it for these kind of things, perhaps also aquariums.
Other features we may get in PZ2, based on PC2:
- Better path system
- Seasons (?)
- Scaling from 50% to 200%
- Scenery brush (and other brushes)
- Aquatics (based on waterparks/flumes/slides)
- Coral reefs (assuming some scenery will be transferred)
Something I would like to see (yet don't expect) would be to have objects such as ropes, nets etc. have different points (i.e. the two ends of a rope, or the four corners of a net) that you could place somewhere. The item will then extend between these points and behave more naturally (unlike the frozen ropes we have now). This could also be a way to create aviary nets etc. in a more dynamic way.
In regards to Australia, native animals have the biggest majority in most zoos I’ve been to, often making up one or two thirds of a zoo’s collection (not including specialised native wildlife parks, which are three thirds Australian of course). Africa is in second though, closely followed by Asia. Australia doesn’t actually have that many South American animals in zoos that aren’t monkeys or parrots (just capybaras, maned wolves and a few remaining coatis, maras and Brazilian tapirs in regards to mammals), and much less still from North America and Europe. The percentage of native vs exotic species tends to differ with budget in my experience, with lower budget zoos tending to have less exotic animals and being even more dominated by Australian species. You can get an idea of how they compare overall by looking at this thread on mammals in Australian zoos I made a little while back.
I think globally though it’s apparent that African animals (followed by Asian) are the most diverse in zoos overall, for all the reasons stated earlier.
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In case it hasn't been suggested yet, how about some of the tour rides from Planet Coaster/Planet Coaster 2? Seriously, how did we not get the gondola tour or the monorail from Planet Coaster, instead of the... the versions we got?
I haven't played PC so I'm unknowledgeable about their rides, but one irrational wish of mine was always free flying helicopter ride from JW. I know that it doesn't work with conventional zoos and therefore doesn't make sense to be included, but sometimes when I make bigger, more reserve like park, I wish I had the option to fly over plains, forests and herds of animals.
And while we're on the topic same goes for jeep tour.
And while we're on the topic same goes for jeep tour.
I'm of two minds; on the one hand, yes, it is unrealistic, but on the other hand, do I really want to connect a path to both sides all the time?I hope shops have doors. Having the vendors jumping over the windows is so unrealistic
I wouldn't mind if the door was just a decoration and doesn't need a connecting path. They could even keep the jumping animation and I would pretend they use the door.
If you really want that sense of realism, you gotta build behind the scenes areas too...
Seems a little pointless if you ask me... maybe add multiple versions? The regular jump out the window version and a version with a door?