Planet Zoo 2 Speculation and ideas

I want 300 animals in the base game roster for PZ2.

By and large, keep the 195 animals in PZ1 (assuming no more DLCs).

Add 35 fish/coral species, 35 flying bird species, and 35 requested species that didn't make PZ1 (with an emphasis on small mammals, monkeys, exhibit reptiles, insects, amphibians, and land/water birds).

That type of roster of 300 animals is adequate to build a realistic zoo (which we can't currently do). A good round number for marketing as well. And still plenty of scope for future DLCs with mixed rosters of birds, fish, land animals...
Idk 35 aviary birds base game feels rather excessive.
If i had to guess id say like 10 base game, and those would probably not all the big names and more like stuff like african grey parrot and golden eagle. That way they would have macaws, bald eagle and stuff to use as sellers for the dlcs.
 
Also how would people feel if the basegame had like 120 ish animals, mostly consisting of returning ones plus a couple fish/birds and they release a couple animal packs alongside it at release. I imagine those being made up of alot of the animals from the last 2-3 years, like idk a "Legacy expansion" featuring a grab bag of 20 animals, maybe including a new one or two to sweeten the deal, for 15 bucks.
Because im really not sure how you could reasonably fit (from a business point of view) 200~ animals, plus all the stuff we got over the years aswell as all the new stuff into a base game that still has to go for a reasonable price.
I mean a basegame that costs like over a hundred dollars is probably gonna scare alot of people of.
 
Idk 35 aviary birds base game feels rather excessive.
If i had to guess id say like 10 base game, and those would probably not all the big names and more like stuff like african grey parrot and golden eagle. That way they would have macaws, bald eagle and stuff to use as sellers for the dlcs.
What about generic small birds that wouldn't sell well in DLCs and you can reuse the same rig? There are hundreds of smaller bird species they could choose from as any bird lover would know. Just look at the specie list from Walsrode or Singapore Mandai Bird Paradise. Larger and more iconic birds can be saved for DLCs.

Also how would people feel if the basegame had like 120 ish animals, mostly consisting of returning ones plus a couple fish/birds and they release a couple animal packs alongside it at release. I imagine those being made up of alot of the animals from the last 2-3 years, like idk a "Legacy expansion" featuring a grab bag of 20 animals, maybe including a new one or two to sweeten the deal, for 15 bucks.
Because im really not sure how you could reasonably fit (from a business point of view) 200~ animals, plus all the stuff we got over the years aswell as all the new stuff into a base game that still has to go for a reasonable price.
I mean a basegame that costs like over a hundred dollars is probably gonna scare alot of people of.
A Deluxe Edition would make sense containing 100 animals from PZ1 DLCs. It can cost $30. I think a one or nothing deluxe edition would be more profitable for Frontier forcing people to buy all the animals or nothing at all.

The base game ($59) should contain 25 generic small fish and 10 coral species (reusing rigs). This is enough for building a small realistic zoo aquarium. 35 small flying birds (reusing the small bird rig) would be needed to build adequate aviaries in different biomes (tropical, temperate, taiga, ect).

10 new small mammal exhibits (allowing one to build a small mammal house), 5 new monkeys, 5 new land/water birds, 5 new exhibit reptiles, 5 new amphibians, 5 new insects. Plus the base game PZ1 animals for roughly 200 species total. That way you can build a realistic zoo with just the base game. The base game should contain a lot of generic animals that zoos typically have, but aren't iconic enough to sell in DLCs.

I would be very disappointed if Frontier released PZ2 with the same roster as PZ1 "plus a couple fish/birds", because you can't really do anything with a few flying bird species and fish. It's not immersive at all and the PZ2 base game offers an opportunity to add less popular but very important species to the roster (which Frontier did to an extent for the original PZ1). These animals can't be profitably added in DLCs but they are needed for PZ2 to be at a level above PZ1 in immersion.
 
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Idk 35 aviary birds base game feels rather excessive.
If i had to guess id say like 10 base game, and those would probably not all the big names and more like stuff like african grey parrot and golden eagle. That way they would have macaws, bald eagle and stuff to use as sellers for the dlcs.
I came up with this roster of 12 that I think would satisfy most:
  1. Scarlet Macaw
  2. Hyacinth Macaw
  3. Bald Eagle
  4. Golden Eagle
  5. Eurasian Eagle Owl
  6. Snowy Owl
  7. Griffon Vulture
  8. Bearded Vulture
  9. Andean Condor
  10. Toco Toucan
  11. Great Hornbill
  12. Victoria Crowned Pigeon
 
I came up with this roster of 12 that I think would satisfy most:
  1. Scarlet Macaw
  2. Hyacinth Macaw
  3. Bald Eagle
  4. Golden Eagle
  5. Eurasian Eagle Owl
  6. Snowy Owl
  7. Griffon Vulture
  8. Bearded Vulture
  9. Andean Condor
  10. Toco Toucan
  11. Great Hornbill
  12. Victoria Crowned Pigeon
Pretty cool roster, I would certainly be happy with it although I would prefer some changes:
  1. Scarlet Macaw
  2. Grey Parrot
  3. Sulphur Crested Cockatoo
  4. Bald Eagle
  5. Harpy Eagle
  6. Eurasian Eagle Owl
  7. Great Grey Owl
  8. Griffon Vulture
  9. Andean Condor
  10. Toco Toucan
  11. Great Hornbill
  12. Laughing Kookaburra
 
I came up with this roster of 12 that I think would satisfy most:
  1. Scarlet Macaw
  2. Hyacinth Macaw
  3. Bald Eagle
  4. Golden Eagle
  5. Eurasian Eagle Owl
  6. Snowy Owl
  7. Griffon Vulture
  8. Bearded Vulture
  9. Andean Condor
  10. Toco Toucan
  11. Great Hornbill
  12. Victoria Crowned Pigeon

On the contrary, those charismatic birds are the ones that could be saved for DLC material. We have learned with PZ1 that devs are pretty much only interested on mammals for DLCs maybe because they sell better, while exhibit animals have been neglected.
Since base game their proportion only went down, so for any sequel game we should have as much aquarium, terrarium and aviary species as we can get, because we aren't getting them later.
So better to flood the base game with lots of species of fish and little birds that have no chance of "wasting" a DLC roster slot for them. On the other side, a snowy owl or a great hornbill can be expected in an Arctic or Tropical pack.
 
I came up with this roster of 12 that I think would satisfy most:
  1. Scarlet Macaw
  2. Hyacinth Macaw
  3. Bald Eagle
  4. Golden Eagle
  5. Eurasian Eagle Owl
  6. Snowy Owl
  7. Griffon Vulture
  8. Bearded Vulture
  9. Andean Condor
  10. Toco Toucan
  11. Great Hornbill
  12. Victoria Crowned Pigeon
Love the roster but I'd do:
1. Bald Eagle
2. Cinerous Vulture
3. Eurasian Eagle Owl
4. Californian Condor
5. African Gray Parrot
6. Violet Turaco
7. Scarlet ibis
8. Toco Toucan
9. Laughing Kookaburra
10. Scarlet Macaw
11. Common Raven
12. Rhinocerous Hornbill
 
On the contrary, those charismatic birds are the ones that could be saved for DLC material. We have learned with PZ1 that devs are pretty much only interested on mammals for DLCs maybe because they sell better, while exhibit animals have been neglected.
Since base game their proportion only went down, so for any sequel game we should have as much aquarium, terrarium and aviary species as we can get, because we aren't getting them later.
So better to flood the base game with lots of species of fish and little birds that have no chance of "wasting" a DLC roster slot for them. On the other side, a snowy owl or a great hornbill can be expected in an Arctic or Tropical pack.
That was my thought as well, Frontier picks charismatic mammals for their packs to sell (though I’ll save the argument for some of their picks later). However, we are at a point now where outside of monkeys, most charismatic mammals and mega fauna are already in game. Likewise (though this is a personal thing for me) if we get to the sequel and animals are being resold to us I’m gonna be upset if we seriously keep getting more and more obscure mammals.

Like the dik-dik has its fans, but if we are talking about a sequel to PZ birds would be one of the main selling points. Even habitat birds, like ducks, I would argue should be more of a selling point. So with that being said, yes, most of the charismatic birds would absolutely be dlc animals.

Also the more I think about the more I am kind of scared that Frontier would sell DLCs for PZ2 like PZ1. Like imagine we get a “Freshwater Pack” and instead of a duck or other habitat bird we get something like the sitatunga. I would actually be livid.
 
What are the current biggest gaps in the roster you can point out that are not monkeys, birds, south america and aquatics?
 
What are the current biggest gaps in the roster you can point out that are not monkeys, birds, south america and aquatics?
Honestly exhibit animals in general, I know they're basically glorified props and the size of the exhibits can limit their usability, but things like invertebrates, amphibians and reptiles are such important parts of zoos and yet they got shafted hard in PZ1, both in terms of taxonomic and regional diversity. Given how the options for customising exhibits are so limited I'd argue that having a good variety of options available is even more important, because it just feels like I'm using the same animals over and over.

Hopefully we get a full on exhibit rework in PZ2 that also sees a lot more focus on expanding the roster of smaller animals in the game.
 
Like imagine we get a “Freshwater Pack” and instead of a duck or other habitat bird we get something like the sitatunga. I would actually be livid.
As much as I love Wetlands, it's honestly kind of baffling in hindsight that it didn't have a waterfowl species, or hell even any second bird in general (spoonbill, ibis, etc). If there's one animal pack that really should have had more than one bird it's that one (though I can still say the same for pretty much all the others I guess)

But hey at least we got two ungulates lmao.
 
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Honestly exhibit animals in general, I know they're basically glorified props and the size of the exhibits can limit their usability, but things like invertebrates, amphibians and reptiles are such important parts of zoos and yet they got shafted hard in PZ1, both in terms of taxonomic and regional diversity. Given how the options for customising exhibits are so limited I'd argue that having a good variety of options available is even more important, because it just feels like I'm using the same animals over and over.

Hopefully we get a full on exhibit rework in PZ2 that also sees a lot more focus on expanding the roster of smaller animals in the game.
Unironically imo they would be better if they were actually animated props that you can freely place.
That way you could build you own terrariums, tortoise pens, frog and turle ponds, put some free roaming iguana on a branch in your tropical house etc
 
What are the current biggest gaps in the roster you can point out that are not monkeys, birds, south america and aquatics?
This might be a hot take but I think we're still due for many more ungulates. Even excluding the aquatic species (i.e. whales) and South American deer, we have a ton of options left:
  • Shetland Pony
  • Nilgai
  • Muskox
  • Barbary Sheep
  • Greater Kudu
  • Impala
  • Musk Deer
  • Père David's Deer
  • Chital
  • Blackbuck
  • Chiru
  • Gerenuk
  • Congo Duikers
  • Muntjacs
  • Damalisks
  • Central Asian Gazelles
 
This might be a hot take but I think we're still due for many more ungulates. Even excluding the aquatic species (i.e. whales) and South American deer, we have a ton of options left:
  • Shetland Pony
  • Nilgai
  • Muskox
  • Barbary Sheep
  • Greater Kudu
  • Impala
  • Musk Deer
  • Père David's Deer
  • Chital
  • Blackbuck
  • Chiru
  • Gerenuk
  • Congo Duikers
  • Muntjacs
  • Damalisks
  • Central Asian Gazelles
Are they really one of the biggest current gaps in the roster though? I agree there's a lot that could still be added and some particular niches (such as an East Asian deer, Indian antelope and hot climate caprine) have yet to be filled, but they've easily had the best treatment of any animal group in PZ sans carnivorans.
 
Are they really one of the biggest current gaps in the roster though? I agree there's a lot that could still be added and some particular niches (such as an East Asian deer, Indian antelope and hot climate caprine) that have yet to be filled, but they've easily had the best treatment of any animal group in PZ sans carnivorans.
Well Yoav explicitly wanted answers that weren't the 4 biggest gaps :p
 
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