We know that the metal-wish list is just for reference to frontier. They have many considerations whether they put an animal into dlc or not. I just hope that they can choose dlc animals in a more diverse manner.
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Remember Capibara! I can make a long list of animals chosen based on the wishlist in the last DLCs. It turned out that Frontier consults the wishlist very seriously when choosing animals. And yet a dissatisfaction and a disappointment remains...
I really like this pack, I am happy with the line up, I'm not too bothered about the sloth species. Up until seeing people complain, I only knew about the three toed sloth and I'm an animal person that's involved in conservation projects. When I think "sloth" it's very much what comes to my mind, and I think players have to remember that frontier ultimately wants to appeal to a wide a range of people as possible so that they can make more money. Can guarantee after the sloth was so popular in social media some average people are more likely to pick up this pack. I really do hope it sells well as that translates to a higher likelihood of continued support and dlcs 
No idea how anyone wants to proof that.
I mean the top of the wishlist consists mainly of generally popular animals. Its not like their super obscure animals that noone knows.
And id argue that a lot of recent animal choice proof the opposite .3toed sloth, skunk, water monitor, lechwe all of them had little to no votes on the list or in case of the sloth were outcompetet by 2toed
May be frontier will have a longer support to the game, so they save some popular animals for future dlcs.
Yeah sure maybe. But i dont think that making a guess to proof a theory doesnt really work
It is not one-dimensional like this. Grasslands animal pack consisted of alot of animals high on the meta-whislist and it was very well recieved by most of the community.
I think this time, it is mostly about what we didnt get, rather than animals picked in this limited line-up that people are dissapointed with. All the animal except maybe the monitor are loved by many, it is just that for alot of people they do not work well together because there are some essentials missing. But that is the problem with the scenery packs, that there are very few animal slots.
I am amazed by the comments that try to explain to me why this DLC is not appreciated. Many say that they like the animals in this DLC, but they are not among the ones they would have preferred, although they occupy an honorable place in the wishlist. Others say that Frontier doesn't take into account the wishes from the wishlist, because it still sneaks in an animal not really wanted by the community. But, in the last DLCs, 90% of the animals are chosen from the wishlist and from the insistent demands of the very active members of the community. Frontier really listens to the community almost religiously, although it should take into account other criteria, such as the preferences of players who are active in the game and not on the forum. Of course, you need a study based on information collected in another way, but, in my opinion, the sales result would be much more effective.
I could say the same about you trying to explain to me that nobody really wanted these animals.
Anyway, since there is currently no other way to collect data on what other players really want, it makes sense that the META-wishlist would be a source of inspiration for Frontier. Anyone is free to join the forums and express their wishes if they feel like doing so.
I never said that no one wants this DLC. It's just that there is a lot of disappointment in the posts, even though the animals are taken by Frontier from the wishlist. Extreme and ultimate conclusions do not belong to me. I try to support my opinions with valid arguments and I expect the same answer.
There are other methods of collecting data for a company that wants to offer the best to its customers. If we refer to active players, there are databases with records of their preferences. I think that these data are much more edifying than the preferences of a species collector who rarely plays the game but is active on the forum and promotes his preferences using the wishlist. Of course, anyone can express their opinion freely and as insistently as they want on the forum.
And by the next dlc it will be 8 and 113 lmao
I do agree but the more recent top 5 animals thread which focusing on everyone's personal top animals still has the Tasmanian devil high on the list.
Not going to dive into all of the arguments where people comment on how negative or positive other members of the community are being because so much of that is just about different personalities and priorities. Everyone has the right to be disappointed and express that and others have the right to find that hyperbolic. Ultimately I think everyone cares about the game and it's future and that in itself should be seen as a positive.
On the birds issue - my personal take from this (based on experience of Frontier in Planet Coaster and how they behave on Planet Zoo from the beginning) is that I am now more convinced than ever that we will get a bird themed pack at some point. The fact that they are not releasing birds even though we now have the exhibits that could include them like the bats suggests to me that the birds they are working on they want to be more than what we have through existing mechanics. They are either working on a lot of them or they are trying to introduce new mechanics to make them work as well as possible.
Frontier know the community really wants more birds - it is in every thread and mentioned in every topic. They haven't said anything which means they are working on something - unless their strategy has radically changed this has always been their communication MO. We asked for pools and weather in Planet Coaster and they were really clear "we currently have no plans to implement pools in Planet Coaster". The idea that they hate birds is crazy - more likely they want the birds they introduce to meet their own expectations on quality an implementation. That might still not be a good thing - maybe the final product won't have been worth the wait and we'd rather have got more birds with the mechanics we have now or maybe I'm totally wrong about all this but either way I think it is safe to assume they know about the birds.
On the birds issue - my personal take from this (based on experience of Frontier in Planet Coaster and how they behave on Planet Zoo from the beginning) is that I am now more convinced than ever that we will get a bird themed pack at some point. The fact that they are not releasing birds even though we now have the exhibits that could include them like the bats suggests to me that the birds they are working on they want to be more than what we have through existing mechanics. They are either working on a lot of them or they are trying to introduce new mechanics to make them work as well as possible.
Frontier know the community really wants more birds - it is in every thread and mentioned in every topic. They haven't said anything which means they are working on something - unless their strategy has radically changed this has always been their communication MO. We asked for pools and weather in Planet Coaster and they were really clear "we currently have no plans to implement pools in Planet Coaster". The idea that they hate birds is crazy - more likely they want the birds they introduce to meet their own expectations on quality an implementation. That might still not be a good thing - maybe the final product won't have been worth the wait and we'd rather have got more birds with the mechanics we have now or maybe I'm totally wrong about all this but either way I think it is safe to assume they know about the birds.
I can't believe some people are now criticizing the meta-wishlist @random goat put so much effort in. Nothing is ever perfect but this list is probably the best thing that ever happened in this community! I think it still shows quite well which animals are popular and I'm glad Frontier is looking at it.
I think this pack does highlight a few biases of the wishlist, and while it's a great resource and I feel grateful towards the people who have put a lot of time doing it, in my opinion it should not be the entire basis to chose a line-up for a pack.
A problem with the meta-wishlist is that it only focuses on individual animals species, so when people want a representant of a bigger taxa (e.g. New World monkeys), the vote will get split up (between tamarins, squirrel monkeys, howlers, spider monkeys, sakis....) and will result in a lot of animals in the 10-30 range ; but I think any of these animals would have been better received than the animals in this pack (except perhaps the river hog).
The fact we can't change our vote on the wishlist also introduces a bias - if a very popular species isn't included, but another close species is, a lot of players would be satisfied with the close species and would be disappointed if the popular option is also included later on over less represented taxa. That's kinda what happened here with the gibbon (it stayed very high on randomgoat's wishlist because it was highly requested before the siamang, but when you look at SuzieSky's more recent wishlist for instance, it's clear that it's actually not that requested anymore). It might happen with Linnaeus's two-toed sloth as well - I'm sure a large part of the community (although not everyone) is satisfied with the sloth species we'll get and wouldn't want another sloth species taking the slot of other less represented niches, but it's high on randomgoat's wishlist and it will likely stay there as it's not in the game, in a position which likely doesn't exactly represent the community's current needs and want.
A problem with the meta-wishlist is that it only focuses on individual animals species, so when people want a representant of a bigger taxa (e.g. New World monkeys), the vote will get split up (between tamarins, squirrel monkeys, howlers, spider monkeys, sakis....) and will result in a lot of animals in the 10-30 range ; but I think any of these animals would have been better received than the animals in this pack (except perhaps the river hog).
The fact we can't change our vote on the wishlist also introduces a bias - if a very popular species isn't included, but another close species is, a lot of players would be satisfied with the close species and would be disappointed if the popular option is also included later on over less represented taxa. That's kinda what happened here with the gibbon (it stayed very high on randomgoat's wishlist because it was highly requested before the siamang, but when you look at SuzieSky's more recent wishlist for instance, it's clear that it's actually not that requested anymore). It might happen with Linnaeus's two-toed sloth as well - I'm sure a large part of the community (although not everyone) is satisfied with the sloth species we'll get and wouldn't want another sloth species taking the slot of other less represented niches, but it's high on randomgoat's wishlist and it will likely stay there as it's not in the game, in a position which likely doesn't exactly represent the community's current needs and want.
I'm not if my reply came off as hating the metawishlist. Who can hate the amount of effort random goat put years of collecting the community's personal wishlists. Yes there can be some mild nitpicks about people who solely rely on the meta wishlist for community desires but overall the wishlist is still one of our most valuable parts of the forums
- Some people asked for a South East Asia building set: done
- Some people asked for more brachiating animals: done
- Some people asked for brachiation on natural structures: done
- Some people asked for sloths: done
- Some people asked for null paths: done
- some people asked to be able to remove completly the path in the walkthrough exhibit: I gues with the null paths it's done
- some people asked for a diving monitor: done
- some people asked for non timed scenarios: done
- some people asked for consistent designs for the animal signs in all new DLC: done
- some people asked for more birds: not done yet
- some people asked for more South American animals: in process, but in a slow speed
- some people asked for consistent animal statues on all new DLCs: not done
This new DLC and update brings many requested things, but we can't have all our wishes granted at once. Europe and Australia were also quite poorly represented and now they are doing fine. I'm optimistic and I'm sure South America will do better too, it's just a matter of time.
From a business perspective, I really don't see them missing out on the financial gain opportunity with birds. It'll either be a bird pack at this point, or a big feature to sell PZ2
I just hope it's not the latter unless PZ2 is something that merges with PZ1. I spend all this money on DLCs for PZ1 (bought all of them on opening day). If I have to start all over again with that lost I'm done I think.
It's not about hate. It is very clear that the meta-wishlist is a form of manipulation that induced preferences that some members did not have but assumed because it is not exactly ok to oppose the majority of the community of a forum. Without her existence, probably the DLCs would have looked different. Perhaps more balanced with birds, reptiles, less exotic mammals, but which reflect the fauna of each continent, with more construction elements useful in creating a habitat. Maybe...