Please automate Supercruise - its the most pointless gameplay element.

[Agrar Therenus]

By 2 days. I didn't start until the 15th (thought it was the 17th), stopped on the 25th. But it doesn't matter does it? Open up with played time is a joke, especially when complaining about WoW and not realize how long a WoW player can play. lol



You don't seem to understand, Distance. As you made too many wrong assumptions about me already.

I just don't play a game, I thoroughly review them. When I see something this glaring in gameplay, I comment about it. It's "off". Moreso when it's boring me to tears, and I'm on the FORUM talking about it instead of playing the game itself.

See the problem, now? People don't pay $60 to simply TALK about the game (they can do that for free). -_-

Supercruise needs to be fixed to include other options for the same effect. One size does not fit all, especially in a game marketed to offer more options.

Why doesn't it bore most people then? You are in a minority here-- hasn't it clicked yet that it's because YOU don't like the game, rather than something being wrong with it.

"See the problem, now? People don't pay $60 to simply TALK about the game (they can do that for free). -_-"

That doesn't even make sense. Unless EVERYONE is playing the game 24/7, it's clearly valueless?


Nothing to see here folks, as we ain't dealin' with someone rational here.

Go back to your other game; and just accept the fact you don't like this one, and didn't research it properly before you bought it.

 

[ElGuappo]

Supercruise was and is tedium personified. It's a bad design, poorly conceived and shoddily executed. It's so boring that for anything to happen you need to not be in it. It is a 'wait, wait, wait... press the button!' that wouldn't look out of place on a child's educational toy teaching rudimentary counting skills and reflexes. There have been many suggestions on how to replace or improve the existing mechanism but all have fallen on deaf ears.

The truth is that one of the big issue I have with SC not having an autopilot is that docking does have one. SC requires precious little skill, is essentially identical every single time it occurs and it occurs every single time you want to go somewhere. Docking requires you be able to fly and control your ship to a fairly high level, that you be able to do so in an environment that is constantly changing and it can differ hugely from station type to station type. But FD automate that and leave SC alone.

I'm pretty sure that at some point SC will either be automated (maybe as part of having co-pilots or being able to walk round your ship) or evolve to become a more important part of the game, but as it is, SC is such a rudimentary and pointless part of the game, it actually feels like part of a different game, one where easily amused people get all excited at watching dots and circles changing shape. Each to their own, I guess.

 

[AlexRyder]

...The truth is that one of the big issue I have with SC not having an autopilot is that docking does have one. SC requires precious little skill, is essentially identical every single time it occurs and it occurs every single time you want to go somewhere. Docking requires you be able to fly and control your ship to a fairly high level, that you be able to do so in an environment that is constantly changing and it can differ hugely from station type to station type. But FD automate that and leave SC alone.

Sorry but what? Docking does not require a high level of skill, I would class it as a low to medium level required depending on the size of your ship. If you find docking genuinely hard then you either need to get better or get a PC that can do more than 1 fps in a station.

 

[Jay8ch]

I don't think SC needs automating but it could do with finessing a little so that there's a greater range of skill / reward. The last 20 seconds or so of a supercruise drives me insane with frustration because there's nothing you can do to speed things up or do it with any kind of flare or skill.

 

[Aimeryan]

Sorry but what? Docking does not require a high level of skill, I would class it as a low to medium level required depending on the size of your ship. If you find docking genuinely hard then you either need to get better or get a PC that can do more than 1 fps in a station.

Compared to the skill required for supercruise its rocket science.

 

[SCADVID]

Why doesn't it bore most people then? You are in a minority here

I'm a minority that even posts on forums (consider it my love for vBulletin from old), but like folks learn from working with/on forums, a forum with a 1:10 posting ratio is doing really well. So most read, not post.

-- hasn't it clicked yet that it's because YOU don't like the game, rather than something being wrong with it.

My track record on finding problems/fixes/suggestions that work with various games is pretty high. Why? I don't invest in 2nd best (nor accept the excuses). While players talk about new toys, I'm more interested in fixes. I'm about polish.

And Supercruise needs polishing.

That doesn't even make sense. Unless EVERYONE is playing the game 24/7, it's clearly valueless?

It makes perfect sense. People don't buy games to TALK about them, they buy them to play. As the Guardian newspaper put it nicely, Comment is Free.

Nothing to see here folks, as we ain't dealin' with someone rational here.

Go back to your other game; and just accept the fact you don't like this one, and didn't research it properly before you bought it.

(I really do feel like a granny babysitting these kids) XD

[video]https://youtu.be/4RezGS72pac?t=6m26s[/video]

 

[NeoMorph WTH]

The difference is this has already been discussed and finalized. You've been here like 2 weeks, I've been playing for like a year and other people have been playing longer than me.

This discussion is the equivalent of asking them to change the yaw so it's the same as the other axis, it's not going to happen, it's done and designed this way already.

Post as much wow junk as you like but it won't help your cause it only harms any argument you have as the mmo part of elite isn't anything like any other mmo. It shows a lack of reading comprehension and a lack of research of your purchase on your part.

Hmmm... How old were you in 1995 when First Encounters came out. That was the last Elite I bought and I expected this game to have autopilot like that game. Also just because a game chooses a specific feature doesn't mean that it is the end these days. Mass Effect 3 saw to that.

We are not asking for an autopilot to play the game for us... Those of us who have thought this through want it to give greater immersion. The current incarnation of SC with the auto adapting throttle is the worst of a bad decision. One thing that keeps you awake is managing your speed and the game even takes that away while not letting us automate the plots from the map view that First Encounters did. I've fallen asleep multiple times playing this game waiting to reach the planet because there is nothing to do with my throttle other than pushing it to 75% when you get 10s away from the target. Every other space game let me fly AND manage my throttle. It's like having the most boring part of an autopilot. Perhaps while you wait in SC autopilot mode you could scan ships around you and see if there are any threats or bounties around to be had. Maybe a scan of around your ship within sensor range of your module.

And no, it's not like I hate the game... I just want to fly the ship on autopilot AND THEN MAYBE READ THE INGAME NEWS or catch up on the community goals or do other stuff. Perhaps a solar flare turns a jump off-limits so you have to re-route. Maybe you get a pirate warning on a route and have to decide if you want to plough through or go some place else. There are lots of things you can do ingame while running on autopilot. Perhaps play holo-chess in the lounge with your big, hairy co-pilot. Autopilot isn't there to remove part of the game it's there to allow you to multi-task.

So no, I don't think autopilot is stupid. I think it is something that is needed to help add immersion. Oh and get rid of the stupid auto speed manager and let us manage our speed like we did in previous Elite games.

 

[Remiel]

Hey, I know, let's just remove space travel alltogether. No one really wants it, we all just wanna be where we're going instantly. Just remove spaceships and have a button that teleports us straight to our destination. How about that? It's not like this is a spaceship game or anything, or like anyone knew what they would be buying.

Sorry for the sarcasm, but any game with automation of anything is bound to start fostering botters, and I am always suspicious of people asking for automation because they sound like the wanna bot or otherwise afk the game. If you don't want to play, then don't play, but don't pretend like not being present at the keyboard is somehow playing.

 

[NeoMorph WTH]

Hey, I know, let's just remove space travel alltogether. No one really wants it, we all just wanna be where we're going instantly. Just remove spaceships and have a button that teleports us straight to our destination. How about that? It's not like this is a spaceship game or anything, or like anyone knew what they would be buying.

Sorry for the sarcasm, but any game with automation of anything is bound to start fostering botters, and I am always suspicious of people asking for automation because they sound like the wanna bot or otherwise afk the game. If you don't want to play, then don't play, but don't pretend like not being present at the keyboard is somehow playing.

*FACEPALM*

Did you even READ what I put regarding other things you could be doing while in autopilot flight? And what the frack has autopilot got to do with bots? I swear to god that some players just have no clue what entails a good simulation (and I have been playing Elite since the BBC days, Flight Simulator since the Sublogic days on the C64 and guess what... SIMS HAVE AUTOPILOTS and are still good games).

Those who think autopilots ruin a simulator have no clue what an autopilot is for. Hell, even Apollo 11 landed on the moon with an autopilot and this game is set how many years after?

 

[SCADVID]

We are not asking for an autopilot to play the game for us...

Amen.

Asking for it so to be free to do MORE than babysit controls. If devs want anti-bots there's other better methods. The way Supercruise works is a garbage collecting STOP concept, it's so noticeable it can stop a player from playing itself. -_-

Look at all the reviews at Steam for the game. How many are from players who played longer than even 40hrs?

Not many.

That is a red flag that something (or more likely multiple somethings!) that's universally keeping them from playing. Those player hours should long been up by now in over 4 months, even at an hour a night casual play.

And no doubt Supercruise is one of those problems. I literally cry while playing because it's that boring (and that's when I know it's time to goto sleep) even when I slept long enough. I had no choice but to come here and say, "Yo, devs, Supercruise FIX!!!" (to even stay awake!).

 

[Sandmann]

Yeah, well I've been playing flight sims since the C64 days too and I also know what makes a good flight sim and I -do- think that auto pilots ruin flight games... and your opinion is no more or less important or valid than mine. The opinion that IS important is FD's, and since they've been refusing to even consider it for more than two years and show no sign of changing this entire thread is redundant. It doesn't have one, support for an autopilot amongst the player base is minimal at best, and FD don't want to put one in. If an auto pilot is a "must have" for you then you have a decision to make... play the game you have or find another game that you want to play... maybe one with an autopilot... coz it doesn't look like ED's getting one any time soon.

 

[Remiel]

*FACEPALM*

Did you even READ what I put regarding other things you could be doing while in autopilot flight? And what the frack has autopilot got to do with bots? I swear to god that some players just have no clue what entails a good simulation (and I have been playing Elite since the BBC days, Flight Simulator since the Sublogic days on the C64 and guess what... SIMS HAVE AUTOPILOTS and are still good games).

Those who think autopilots ruin a simulator have no clue what an autopilot is for. Hell, even Apollo 11 landed on the moon with an autopilot and this game is set how many years after?

That you would have to ask what automation has to do with botting makes me even more suspicious of you right off the bat. I've played Elite since the BBC days too, and yes I read the 'other things' you could do, but this isn't the same Elite, nor is it a simulator. Sims have autopilots, sure, but they also have real physics. Additionally, this game also has a persistent universe that no one should be able to have any kind of affect on using automation while they're off changing their kids diapers or smoking a billie while watching MTV and letting some bot, aided by the game's own automation, do everything with no effort.

I don't think autopilot ruins a simulator, no. Autopilot is excellent and necessary for flying a 737 from Brisbane Intl. to LAX and maintaining level, fuel efficient flight. But a game where you can cross half the galaxy in the same space of time it takes to make that flight is not a simulator, sorry.

 

[Kancro Vantas]

*FACEPALM*

Did you even READ what I put regarding other things you could be doing while in autopilot flight? And what the frack has autopilot got to do with bots? I swear to god that some players just have no clue what entails a good simulation (and I have been playing Elite since the BBC days, Flight Simulator since the Sublogic days on the C64 and guess what... SIMS HAVE AUTOPILOTS and are still good games).

Those who think autopilots ruin a simulator have no clue what an autopilot is for. Hell, even Apollo 11 landed on the moon with an autopilot and this game is set how many years after?

Seems is you who doesn't get it. The things you mention you could do, like playing chess or checking news p, cant be dome in the game right now. Also, check for pirates or scan other ships is perfectly feasible now. Since SC is soooo boring, how come you dont scan ships or look out the windows around you for other ships?

I also play other sims, specially Flight Simulator since the 80's as well. Reason why you have an autopilot there is because in real life it takes you hours and hours to reach a destination. Not so in Elite.

Bottom line: space is huge. Distances are vasts and the way FD has made this galaxy model shows that. Either in space or in air, truth is that flying is inherently boring. Since there is nothing but space, clouds or sea -for a boat- for long periods of time. It comes with the territory.

 

[Sandmann]

I literally cry while playing because it's that boring

Seriously? *incredulous* Did you really just say that??? Uhh either you are being WAY overdramatic here, or you have much deeper problems than not liking a game mechanic, or (most likely) you're just trolling and baiting. You're aware that you don't HAVE to play games that "make you cry", right? Sorry but as much as you cry noone's gonna break the game to make you feel better... I suggest you go back to Wow since you obviously prefer that.

[Edit] SO tempted right now to turn that line into a meme.

 

[Remiel]

Seriously? *incredulous* Did you really just say that??? Uhh either you are being WAY overdramatic here, or you have much deeper problems than not liking a game mechanic, or (most likely) you're just trolling and baiting. You're aware that you don't HAVE to play games that "make you cry", right? Sorry but as much as you cry noone's gonna break the game to make you feel better... I suggest you go back to Wow since you obviously prefer that.

[Edit] SO tempted right now to turn that line into a meme.

Meh, some people are masochists. To each their own I say.

 

[Sandmann]

Meh, some people are masochists. To each their own I say.

Thus spake the maid as she kissed the cow.

 

[SCADVID]

I don't think autopilot ruins a simulator, no.

No, because EvE doesn't allow it! lololol

 

[SCADVID]

Seriously? *incredulous* Did you really just say that???

Yep. Go ahead and make a mime too. XD

Here's the byline...
ELITE: DANGEROUS - So dangerous it'll bore you to tears

^-^

 

[Remiel]

No, because EvE doesn't allow it! lololol

EVE's not a simulator, but it does have autopilot. Lots of people find out that hard way, though, that using it is highly risky. EVE's autopilot drops you 15km from a stargate you're jumping through, meaning your ship will slowboat the gap. It also aligns you much more slowly on the other side, which makes you, on both sides of the gate, very easy to intercept by gankers or war targets. Especially if you're using it afk.

- - - Updated - - -

Yep. Go ahead and make a mime too. XD

Here's the byline...
ELITE: DANGEROUS - So dangerous it'll bore you to tears

^-^

Then play something else? How hard was that to think of?

 

[Sandmann]

Yep. Go ahead and make a mime too. XD

Here's the byline...
ELITE: DANGEROUS - So dangerous it'll bore you to tears

...assuming you're an emotionally challenged 12 year old with OCD. The rest of us stop playing games we obviously hate and do something else.