Please automate Supercruise - its the most pointless gameplay element.

[Iori]

It was single player. That's why it was seamless.

Keep in mind that I-War's "SC" is much faster than ED's SC. Piloting manually would be very complicated.

But it did have a free flight mode too, I mean that's not an argument about why ED can't have an SC auto pilot, it does have one for landing, but if you use it its gonna be much slower. It could be a good compromise, equip an auto pilot module taking space in your ship and make the travels slower but automatic. I don't see why anyone could be against that. I mean I don't use the docking computer but I'm not against those who do.

Some people want to enjoy the vistas, and this module is gonna be necessary when they let you walk around inside your ship

 

[Remiel]

But it did have a free flight mode too, I mean that's not an argument about why ED can't have an SC auto pilot, it does have one for landing, but if you use it its gonna be much slower. It could be a good compromise, equip an auto pilot module taking space in your ship and make the travels slower but automatic. I don't see why anyone could be against that. I mean I don't use the docking computer but I'm not against those who do.

Yeah but the docking module comes with the risk of throwing you into the side of the station at random because 'reasons'. I've said it before and I'll say it again, if people want autopilot, then it has to come with enough risk to make it an unattractive afk-ing proposition. No problem with that at all.

 

[Iori]

Yeah but the docking module comes with the risk of throwing you into the side of the station at random because 'reasons'. I've said it before and I'll say it again, if people want autopilot, then it has to come with enough risk to make it an unattractive afk-ing proposition. No problem with that at all.

Well, you can still get interdicted, and if you are AFK, there goes your ship.

 

[Distance]

The main reason why I'm against having a supercruise module is that so many players will use it, go afk and then end up posting tons of thread here about how they were interdicted or killed by a player/npc because they used it.

Someone mentioned people making bots for supercruise, well they aren't, it's too much effort right now. If you did get a supercruise module then people would make bots because it would be so much easier and the game would be worse for it. Supercruise module and docking computer means credit farming would be worse than it is and impossible to police.

The "old guard" of players who have been playing for like a year aren't shouting down the suggestion "just because", we've been playing long enough to have posted in multiple versions of this same thread. The only consensus is it would be nice to have inter system jumps for systems with multiple stars.

The only supercruise change I'd personally like to see would be players dropping in to populated systems at the nav beacon to actually give them a reason to exist but that's been done to death and won't happen due to the fear of choke points.

 

[SCADVID]

No, bots are made for "gold farming"

Can you trade credits in this game in open (as in solo WHO CARES if you trade with yourself)? lololol

Even in WoW we have 3 methods to travel...

1. Fly manually.
2. Hop on a griffon - AFK travel.
3. Portal - Instant travel.

And the last thing anyone said was travel is about gold farming (they hack flying to no fly zones and stuff like that...and it's quite noticeable, too).

So the opposition here isn't even acceptable in games that would have bots, because travel isn't the thing to bot (want to get someplace fast call a mage or warlock you don't bot it). -_-

 

[Sandmann]

The main reason why I'm against having a supercruise module is that so many players will use it, go afk and then end up posting tons of thread here about how they were interdicted or killed by a player/npc because they used it.

Someone mentioned people making bots for supercruise, well they aren't, it's too much effort right now. If you did get a supercruise module then people would make bots because it would be so much easier and the game would be worse for it. Supercruise module and docking computer means credit farming would be worse than it is and impossible to police.

The "old guard" of players who have been playing for like a year aren't shouting down the suggestion "just because", we've been playing long enough to have posted in multiple versions of this same thread. The only consensus is it would be nice to have inter system jumps for systems with multiple stars.

The only supercruise change I'd personally like to see would be players dropping in to populated systems at the nav beacon to actually give them a reason to exist but that's been done to death and won't happen due to the fear of choke points.

Yep.. we're not against it because we're fanbois, or coz we want it to be the original elite, or because "reasons" or even because we're grumpy buggers. We're against it because we've been having this same conversation over and over and over since beta (in my case) or earlier (for many others) and noone can answer the questions about how to stop it being abused, or how to make it interesting. Basically it doesn't add enough to the game to make the negatives worthwhile, and the solution is to increase the engagement in SC, not to make it completely avoidable.

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Can you trade credits in this game in open

Right now you have to trade cargo. There's been as many calls (usually from the same people) to trade credits as there are for an autopilot. Suspicious no?

lololol

Can you please stop doing this? It's really annoying and juvenile.

Even in WoW we have 3 methods to travel...

This isn't wow. If you want to play wow go play it. It's also not eve. Noone is going to make this wow v2 or eve v2 for you, so stop the useless comparisons.

And the last thing anyone said was travel is about gold farming

Wow has nothing to do with ED, and auto-travel in ED when combined with auto docking and some simple scripting for auto mining would allow gold farming.

So the opposition here isn't even acceptable in games that would have bots, because travel isn't the thing to bot (want to get someplace fast call a mage or warlock you don't bot it). -_-

THIS ISN'T WOW! *bangs head on wall in frustration* We don't have griffons or mages or blah blah blah.

 

[Distance]

Yep.. we're not against it because we're fanbois, or coz we want it to be the original elite, or because "reasons" or even because we're grumpy buggers. We're against it because we've been having this same conversation over and over and over since beta (in my case) or earlier (for many others) and noone can answer the questions about how to stop it being abused, or how to make it interesting. Basically it doesn't add enough to the game to make the negatives worthwhile, and the solution is to increase the engagement in SC, not to make it completely avoidable.

THIS ISN'T WOW! *bangs head on wall in frustration*

It's not often me and Sandmann agree so that's saying something

The guys been on the forum 2 weeks and spent more time on here than in game, every damn thread he posts in is filled with wow references, videos, images and comparisons and it's getting ridiculous. Anything the mods can do?

 

[SCADVID]

Were you trying to make a point of some kind?

Wait.... IZ, is that you?

No, this is

https://forums.eveonline.com/profile/Ace Uoweme

Now go and read 2 year old posts about WoW and EvE.

And my rep count there was pretty darn good even for EvE's forums.

 

[Cmdr Cheese Wedge]

This threads still going? :/

 

[SCADVID]

Wow has nothing to do with ED

Have you even played WoW to even know the difference? You know long enough to even understand the differences?

Nope.

Because if you do, you'll understand games are all alike in the end. Same mechanics; same viewpoints; same complaints. Just different graphics.

 

[Sandmann]

The guys been on the forum 2 weeks and spent more time on here than in game, every damn thread he posts in is filled with wow references, videos, images and comparisons and it's getting ridiculous. Anything the mods can do?

it's not interested in anything anyone else has to say, it just wants ED to be wow with spaceships. Very close to putting it on my block list just to save my sanity.

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Have you even played WoW to even know the difference? You know long enough to even understand the differences?

Nope.

Because if you do, you'll understand games are all alike in the end. Same mechanics; same viewpoints; same complaints. Just different graphics.

I don't play wow. And no they're not all the same, that's why you're crying. You are TRYING to make ED the same. Stop it! If I wanted to play wow I'd go play wow. I don't feel the need to be an elf riding a unicorn though. I really wish YOU would go play wow and stop whining that ED isn't the same as wow.

Oh and yes, I -did- play Eve.. for a month.. when I got a free trial sub. I didn't enjoy it. I enjoy ED. You know why? COZ IT'S NOT THE SAME! *sigh*

 

[Cmdr Cheese Wedge]

He's equating ED with WOW?

HAHAAAAHAAHAAAAAA.
Not funny.

 

[Distance]

Have you even played WoW to even know the difference? You know long enough to even understand the differences?

Nope.

Because if you do, you'll understand games are all alike in the end. Same mechanics; same viewpoints; same complaints. Just different graphics.

If you think they're the same then why not go back to wow . . .

 

[Iori]

The main reason why I'm against having a supercruise module is that so many players will use it, go afk and then end up posting tons of thread here about how they were interdicted or killed by a player/npc because they used it.

If someone is killed when AFK is their fault. Are you really basing your opinion on what some people could potentially post in a forum? What's next? you want to remove the re-buy fee so people stop coming here complaining that they were killed without enough money to pay for the insurance?

Someone mentioned people making bots for supercruise, well they aren't, it's too much effort right now. If you did get a supercruise module then people would make bots because it would be so much easier and the game would be worse for it. Supercruise module and docking computer means credit farming would be worse than it is and impossible to police.

Botting in Elite is meaningless since you can not trade between players and thus you can not sell your profits for real money. If someone were to use bots or hacks I could think of much more efficient ways than relying on the SC/Docking computers that in no way makes you safe from attacks or interdictions. I've seen hackers with 80 millions in combat bonds in one of those recent events, I seriously doubt you could make an SC bot that nets you that amount. In fact, an SC auto pilot module would make you an interdiction magnet because you would be more predictable and slower. In the slight chance that they actually do it and risk getting caught and banned, whats the worst thing they can do? Inefficiently getting a fully kitted Anaconda and no idea how to fly it. What if auto pilot travel takes you three or four times longer? Would still people do it?

The "old guard" of players who have been playing for like a year aren't shouting down the suggestion "just because", we've been playing long enough to have posted in multiple versions of this same thread. The only consensus is it would be nice to have inter system jumps for systems with multiple stars.

I actually dislike that idea, right now SC is too fast, and long range SC travels are the only thing that makes you feel like you are traveling in space, but of course, this game also needs to let you walk out of your chair too. Once that happens, I'd slow down the acceleration rate of SC in short distances so all travels feel longer.

 

[Sandmann]

Because if you do, you'll understand games are all alike in the end. Same mechanics; same viewpoints; same complaints. Just different graphics.

Oh and "honey"... again... stop with the damn condescension. It's REALLY annoying and insulting. We've already established that you're old and that I'm just as old. I've also been playing computer games since they were nothing but ascii displays, and I do know a thing or two about gaming.

 

[Sandmann]

Botting in Elite is meaningless since you can not trade between players and thus you can not sell your profits for real money.

There's already been people selling rich accounts, and selling credits that they made through bounty hunting exploits. You just have to trade with cargo instead of directly with credits. It's a bit tedious but it happens. Add bots to it and you've got instant gold farming with mining. Then all it takes it credit transfer, which there's already people screaming for.

No thanks.

 

[Iori]

There's already been people selling rich accounts, and selling credits that they made through bounty hunting exploits. You just have to trade with cargo instead of directly with credits. It's a bit tedious but it happens. Add bots to it and you've got instant gold farming with mining. Then all it takes it credit transfer, which there's already people screaming for.

No thanks.

You still need to address the rest of my points in that sentence you partially quoted.

 

[Sandmann]

You still need to address the rest of my points in that sentence you partially quoted.

I addressed the only part I took issue with. To be honest I didn't even read the other parts. Let me know if you'd like me to tell you why they're wrong too.

 

[Xanador]

The main reason why I'm against having a supercruise module is that so many players will use it, go afk and then end up posting tons of thread here about how they were interdicted or killed by a player/npc because they used it.

Someone mentioned people making bots for supercruise, well they aren't, it's too much effort right now. If you did get a supercruise module then people would make bots because it would be so much easier and the game would be worse for it. Supercruise module and docking computer means credit farming would be worse than it is and impossible to police.

The "old guard" of players who have been playing for like a year aren't shouting down the suggestion "just because", we've been playing long enough to have posted in multiple versions of this same thread. The only consensus is it would be nice to have inter system jumps for systems with multiple stars.

The only supercruise change I'd personally like to see would be players dropping in to populated systems at the nav beacon to actually give them a reason to exist but that's been done to death and won't happen due to the fear of choke points.

I'm not into programming that much, but to make bots for supercruise even with such a module to make it a good afk farming tool must be very difficult. The module guides you to the station - ok - switch on landing computer - ok - sell/buy stuff - ok - start -ok- fly out of the station - maybe ok, but much effort, because you have to build a program for all landing pads? - set destination and start hopping to destination - difficult, if a planet is in your line of sight - avoid interdiction - how? - ....

All in all it's more effort to built a suitable program than to make money "old style" and bots also maybe detected by the devs. I want to have a good gaming experience (at least with the module where you can walk inside you ship and do stuff). I don't care if somebody has 100billion.

Must be fun: You're checking the cargo in the rear part of the ship and suddenly the ship is shaking and a warning appears : "Interdiction detected...Interdiction detected"

 

[SCADVID]

If you think they're the same then why not go back to wow . . .

Because 6.1 was a no content patch. Thus, why I'm playing other games.

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I addressed the only part I took issue with. To be honest I didn't even read the other parts. Let me know if you'd like me to tell you why they're wrong too.

That's trolling.

Guess it's time for another Supercruise thread?