What is your suggested fix to stop fifth collumning?
What is your suggested fix to stop fifth collumning?
Yes! This^^^^ so much this.
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Quite a few good suggestions here and in other threads.
We should atleast get a list of player names in the traffic reports. If 5c was acknowledged as big as a problem as it is, according to lore. I think the Powers would record what players fortified, expanded, or prepped and the log would be available to higher officials. I highly doubt the devs anticipated 5c, but I think it makes them look really bad by not addressing it somehow. Then again, there are still many other problems with the game too. They could be overwhelmed.
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Its funny how you think you are the only ones affected by this crap.
Hmm.. i just read through the entire thread, and unless i missed something i didn't see much in the way of suggested solutions. I saw a lot of people complaining, i saw some people from people just saying that PP is rubbish. But as to solutions... at best some vague suggestions and something about adding tiered preparation which seems to me like making an already complex system even more complex... and if you have 5Cs working, can't they just work the new system the same?
I do see the suggestion about being able to dump systems, which could be good, but then next cycle the 5C could just pick it up again, and of course, power newbies could also work towards getting it back in.
As I understood, the voting system is there to make it so that the most influential and majority control which systems get taken over. If just a few players can affect that negatively, then i'm guessing this is the area that needs looking at most.
Haha what? Actually not at all, and I never said that. It is a major problem in the game, every Power experiences it to some degree. Nice try spreading some Salt though.
Yea, you're correct, for the most part, about this thread. Admittedly, I complain about this much more than offer solutions and fixes. I was mostly thinking of other threads though.
Like this one.
Also, Corrigendum started a thread about this awhile ago, I didn't really search for it, but it had some good idea's as well. Probably should find that, and bump it back up.
I am not with Winters and after reading most of what is above; becoming very concerned.
Like it or not, sometimes it can be very hard to get your head around power play and the best way to play it, within your own style of game play.
I have asked loads of questions and got some basic information. The most important has basically been; do as you are told too. Go to the lists, preparation, expansion and control and only work within those systems. Easy enough, but now I read, that in some cases, systems on the said list, should not be touched?? They are there by some form of error, be it players influence or what? Is this really correct? Players are being advised, by the only 'in game information', to prepare systems that will give negative CC? Plus, in the stated case above; the said system is at the TOP of the list? History shows us, that in the case of power play, laziness make more players, simply take the system at the top of the lists, for convenience and so it is always the 1st system to be 'completed'.
Are the said lists, compiled and put forward, by a machine, or people?
Like it or not, sometimes it can be very hard to get your head around power play and the best way to play it, within your own style of game play.
I have asked loads of questions and got some basic information. The most important has basically been; do as you are told too. Go to the lists, preparation, expansion and control and only work within those systems. Easy enough, but now I read, that in some cases, systems on the said list, should not be touched?? They are there by some form of error, be it players influence or what? Is this really correct? Players are being advised, by the only 'in game information', to prepare systems that will give negative CC? Plus, in the stated case above; the said system is at the TOP of the list? History shows us, that in the case of power play, laziness make more players, simply take the system at the top of the lists, for convenience and so it is always the 1st system to be 'completed'.
Are the said lists, compiled and put forward, by a machine, or people?
I don't see that at all. It's an example. PowerPlayers are intelligent enough to recognise their own powers millstones.
So what about the wong in the image?
How did you manage to understand... something is wrong in there?
Can someone please explain this.
Barathaona is a deficit making system. Expanding there could only hurt Winters yet somehow, it was #1 on her preparation list despite efforts to push profitable systems higher up. There's only one explanation: a group of people pledged allegiance to her for the sole purpose of doing hardcore sabotaging (aka fifth columning or 5c for short). Currently, there's no mechanic to fight this thoroughly anti fare-play behavior. This thread is intended to provide yet another piece of evidence of how stupid certain aspects of PP can be.
Give certain humans an opportunity to exploit anything and they surely will.
Give them way too much of an opportunity to do so leads to them making a mockery of the mode, that is...PP.
There is also the fortification over-stacking in nearby systems and while that is allowed to continue, those players will never have to learn how to play the game at all.
It needs some love and soon.
There is playing a game for loving it and understanding it and then there is just playing the game because it's easy money.
PP is currently in the latter and the only positive is helping PvP players find points of conflict. There is little or nothing for regular players beyond a long grind every week to maintain their rank, depending on how long they get to play each week.