Please reduce travel times in the bubble

Why not improve your skills at selecting missions. Or if you take a mission that requires longer distance start using your brain to decide to accept or discard that mission instead of asking to change Supercruise mechanic. Or are you opposed to using brain power?
I'm not against using my brains to decide which missions to take. A good game should get you kicking yourself when you make a mistake. A bad one is where you want to kick the developers.

I'm at work so I can't check out this fact myself. When you are given a mission where you don't find out where you are going until you are told during the mission itself, are you given any indication of how far you will have to travel on the mission board?
 
Hyper jumping from on system to another general takes the same time to get anywhere. But those ly''f that can number in the millions from the star to the station are real killer's.
 
I'm not against using my brains to decide which missions to take. A good game should get you kicking yourself when you make a mistake. A bad one is where you want to kick the developers.

I'm at work so I can't check out this fact myself. When you are given a mission where you don't find out where you are going until you are told during the mission itself, are you given any indication of how far you will have to travel on the mission board?
Amen on the first para!

In my experience missions which don't declare destination (IE later reveals) don't give you an approx distance in the mission description. That's only for dedicated destinations.

(Now brace yourself as people tell you to have fun by 'not accepting any mission in any system where long travel might be sprung on you' ;))
 
I'm not against using my brains to decide which missions to take. A good game should get you kicking yourself when you make a mistake. A bad one is where you want to kick the developers.

I'm at work so I can't check out this fact myself. When you are given a mission where you don't find out where you are going until you are told during the mission itself, are you given any indication of how far you will have to travel on the mission board?
Unless it doesn't indicate to what system you are going you can merely check the distances to the stations, if not available in the sys-map (IIRC all stations are shown before you ever visit a system and scan it) you can use EDDB.IO.
 
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(Now brace yourself as people tell you to have fun by 'not accepting any mission in any system where long travel might be sprung on you' ;))
I don't have a problem with travel time but for missions that don't provide all the info up front (ie go meet a contact for further info) I generally either avoid them because they take a long time (waiting usually rather than supercruise distance) or they are to do something I'm likely to not be willing to to (kill civilians say, or work against a faction I don't want to harm).

So generally I just don't take them and accept my opponent who is more flexible (morally in my case) has the upper hand. I may do the mission, I may abandon it depending on the criteria. If I have other missions to choose from (where I do know what the plan is) I just don't take them.

Similarly I may avoid taking a mission to a system because the main star is a white dwarf. I probably will because it's not really a big deal but given the choice between that & a normal system it'll be a factor.

I don't think missions are a good argument in favour of speeding up supercruise, the missions themselves can just be changed or flagged with an approximate time to complete or similar.
 
Amen on the first para!

In my experience missions which don't declare destination (IE later reveals) don't give you an approx distance in the mission description. That's only for dedicated destinations.

(Now brace yourself as people tell you to have fun by 'not accepting any mission in any system where long travel might be sprung on you' ;))
Thanks for the info. Maybe it's possible to develop my brains so much I'll develop the ability to predict the future <grin>
 
I don't think missions are a good argument in favour of speeding up supercruise, the missions themselves can just be changed or flagged with an approximate time to complete or similar.
I'd agree that some form of duration transparency for all mission types could solve accidental annoyance (although it might be tricky on a technical end to calculate approx duration in all cases?)

I think there's a secondary issue that you allude to though. It would reveal just how cut down the mission board can get when you remove long-distance missions in some locations.

That's why I favour adding (optional) gameplay to long distance journeys as a potential solution. (It seems better than a 'remove all long-distance' missions approach, all told). In the case of my pitch it wouldn't alter SC per se either. (That could be fixed by other means :D)

The above would just leave a broader palette of gameplay options on the mission board, while still being whittled down by personal taste / difficulty etc.
 
I'd agree that some form of duration transparency for all mission types could solve accidental annoyance (although it might be tricky on a technical end to calculate approx duration in all cases?)

I think there's a secondary issue that you allude to though. It would reveal just how cut down the mission board can get when you remove long-distance missions in some locations.

That's why I favour adding (optional) gameplay to long distance journeys as a potential solution. (It seems better than a 'remove all long-distance' missions approach, all told). In the case of my pitch it wouldn't alter SC per se either. (That could be fixed by other means :D)

The above would just leave a broader palette of gameplay options on the mission board, while still being whittled down by personal taste / difficulty etc.
Yes adding optional activities would be a good solution. Even if it were just more USSs of the type that are worth visiting (ie providing the dilemma of whether to extend the journey even further but for a worthwhile reward).

Personally I just do stuff outside of the game, but within the context of the game. I suppose the people that watch netflix are doing that, if they were actually on the ship during an extended journey watching telly is something they would do. In another thread I just implied that investigating the contents of an Occupied Escape Pod is something I may want to do.
 
Unless it doesn't indicate to what system you are going you can merely check the distances to the stations, if not available in the sys-map (IIRC all stations are shown before you ever visit a system and scan it) you can use EDDB.IO.
Not every mission has a station as a destination - quite a few will just direct you to the vicinity of a planet, and not tell you which one until you're in the system. Quite a few systems have distant binary partners with no stations out there, so they're absolutely fine for trade missions, but you can get a long trip if you pick them for e.g. surface salvage...

The system map will not show you the location of stations in a system you've never been to, unless it's a high-population system which comes pre-scanned.

Installations, megaships and tourist beacons are not marked on the system map, and nor are their positions catalogued in EDDB or similar. Combat zones similarly there's no guarantee that any particular system will generate them close to the primary star (though most do).

A few mission types have you go to system A (mentioned in the mission) where a contact will then tell you to go to system B (could be anywhere within 20 LY), so good luck assessing those in advance.

Yes, if you're extremely cautious and avoid several mission types entirely, you can avoid having to travel long supercruise distances. But that's very much a workaround for the problem.
 
Not every mission has a station as a destination - quite a few will just direct you to the vicinity of a planet, and not tell you which one until you're in the system. Quite a few systems have distant binary partners with no stations out there, so they're absolutely fine for trade missions, but you can get a long trip if you pick them for e.g. surface salvage...

The system map will not show you the location of stations in a system you've never been to, unless it's a high-population system which comes pre-scanned.

Installations, megaships and tourist beacons are not marked on the system map, and nor are their positions catalogued in EDDB or similar. Combat zones similarly there's no guarantee that any particular system will generate them close to the primary star (though most do).

A few mission types have you go to system A (mentioned in the mission) where a contact will then tell you to go to system B (could be anywhere within 20 LY), so good luck assessing those in advance.

Yes, if you're extremely cautious and avoid several mission types entirely, you can avoid having to travel long supercruise distances. But that's very much a workaround for the problem.
Consummately put Mr D!
 
Being selective with your mission choice, or open to the idea of giving it a go & possibly failing to complete it isn't a workaround, it is the solution ;)
Hah. The solution is to move to Colonia where the furthest station is 30,000 Ls and most are within 3,000 ... and distant secondary stars are relatively rare in the inhabited systems. It also solves the other "make moving around the bubble faster" issue when you can get between any two systems in 2-3 jumps with a mid-range ship.
 
Not every mission has a station as a destination - quite a few will just direct you to the vicinity of a planet, and not tell you which one until you're in the system. Quite a few systems have distant binary partners with no stations out there, so they're absolutely fine for trade missions, but you can get a long trip if you pick them for e.g. surface salvage...

The system map will not show you the location of stations in a system you've never been to, unless it's a high-population system which comes pre-scanned.

Installations, megaships and tourist beacons are not marked on the system map, and nor are their positions catalogued in EDDB or similar. Combat zones similarly there's no guarantee that any particular system will generate them close to the primary star (though most do).

A few mission types have you go to system A (mentioned in the mission) where a contact will then tell you to go to system B (could be anywhere within 20 LY), so good luck assessing those in advance.

Yes, if you're extremely cautious and avoid several mission types entirely, you can avoid having to travel long supercruise distances. But that's very much a workaround for the problem.
Avoiding long travel completely is difficult but in all honesty avoiding it for the vast majority of times is easy, adressing your points:

1º Planet distances are still marked in the sys-map and if that's not available then you can use EDDB thus you can look for missions on which the target system is small overall and surface salvages only use landable planets so that's an extra filter.

2º It's been a long while since I made a mission so I concede that point though EDDB still marks it.

3º All of those spawn close to planets so you can apply 1º and IIRC when you take a tourist mission you get told to which planet you'll go, in that planet you'll find the tourist beacon.

4º True, I can't think of a way to evade those although considering the tedium I can hardly believe they are of much use when manipulating the BGS.

5º IMO there are more than enough ways to evade the vast majority of these cases (ED is not a perfect information game) but I agree that SC should be more engaging if that's what you want.
 
But keep long travel times outside the bubble.

Its stopping me from playing.

For me, 10/20 mins staring at screen to get somewhere is ok if exploring new frontiers or the odd long range mission or something. Not ok for the majority of missions, mining, trade, bounty etc
It is possible to go from taking off at one station to landing at about 90% of the stations in the Bubble that are a single jump away, in a type-9 no less, in under four minutes... if you actively pilot your ship. This includes leaving through the station slot, getting out of mass lock range, charging for a jump, a single jump through Hyperspace, the journey through Supercruise, and docking at your arrival station.

Travel times in the Bubble are not the problem. The problem is that far to many players are content to fly “hands off” for most of their journey, altering neither course nor throttle setting, and thus their trips take considerably longer than they would if they took advantage of optimal routes through a system, as well as the mechanics of Supercruise. It also leaves them extremely vulnerable to interdiction from both NPCs and players.

If you want to improve your Bubble travel times, there’s some simple things you can do:
1) check your destination station. If it’s more than a kilo-light second away from the arrival point, consider whether the extra travel time is worthwhile.

2) Do not fly in the orbital plane of the system. Nearby mass slows down your ship, and there’s a lot of mass in the orbital plane, some of which may not be visible but whose effects are present. It also helps you maintain situational awareness, which makes avoiding interdictions easier.

3) Alter course to avoid planets along your flight path. Their mass will slow you down a lot, even if you’re above or below the orbital plane.

4) Do not use the “six second rule” or keeping your throttle in the blue to avoid the so-called “Loop of Shame.” That loop is actually faster than either technique. Faster still is using the braking effect of mass to slow your ship quickly, by skimming the exclusion or orbitable zone as you fly past.

 
Just want to weigh-in here as I am familiar with OA's video and the general theme of the discussion.

I think the travel times in Elite are actually fine. I do think there are a few more things that Frontier could do to make the travel in systems a bit more fun, but overall I think it is part of the game I'd be sad to lose. I do love GalNet audio as an example, I just wish there was more content on GalNet to consume while I am flying about.
 
Just did a go fetch mission: found several signal sources in the system I was purchasing the goods from, all of which ended in me picking up loot. I guess Frontier puts that stuff there for the "engineering's too grindy" crowd! I have no problem with that, I like loot! But it means I'm not just sitting there while the ship's in supercruise, I'm looking around for stuff, so I just don't get the "supercruise is boring" crowd. In fact I'm starting to think the "engineering's too grindy" crowd and the "supercruise is too boring crowd" are the same bloody crowd. Also known as the "my glass is half empty" crowd! 🤔
IMO it all stems from the same type of mindset: serial thinking as opposed to parallel thinking. They work on just one thing at a time, whether it’s engineering, credits, ranking, or whatever. They also tailor their ships for just one task, to the point where it can’t do anything else. They’ve got blinders on, so they don’t see what’s available around them.

Personally, I fly multi-role ships in the Bubble, and keep my eyes open for opportunities. See a USS along my flight route? It only takes a few seconds to see what type it is, and the size one collector limpet I have installed can sweep up whatever mats are there should I drop in. NPC Pirate? I’ve got guns and strong shields. Running on an errand on the Surface? Time do do a little low altitude flying 50 km out, and drop in any surface POI I find.
 
4) Do not use the “six second rule” or keeping your throttle in the blue to avoid the so-called “Loop of Shame.” That loop is actually faster than either technique. Faster still is using the braking effect of mass to slow your ship quickly, by skimming the exclusion or orbitable zone as you fly past.

All very good advice, should be noted that Supercruise assist is faster than all those methods. As long as you fly the ship at full throttle and allow assist to do the emergency drop when locked to the destination port.

Personally I say whats the rush.
 
I could see this done by changing the “trade routes”. If orbit lines are on, these should be visible, and if one stays in the lane then they get a buff to SC acceleration.

Pirates/attackers benefit because they have a set spot to look for a score. Taking a longer less trafficked route may be safer. Could create fun dynamics
I stand by the fact that this would allow people to travel faster without creating new problems
 
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