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Poll - UGC / Custom Content
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Classic Angelis right there [big grin]
his posts aren't funny
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After reading everyone's responses i have read good points on both sides... Personally i am for UGC. The game will remain relevant for a longer period of time than it would without it (just look at RCT2 & RCT3) BUT i hope that the quality of mods increases so that the art style of Planet Coaster is still present and isn't clashing with bad textures, models ETC.
I am all for frontier creating new content and scenery for us and maybe putting it in an expansion pack but I'm sure we can all agree that Frontier is not going to be capable of making everything a modding community could.
I hope they add it.
I am all for frontier creating new content and scenery for us and maybe putting it in an expansion pack but I'm sure we can all agree that Frontier is not going to be capable of making everything a modding community could.
I hope they add it.
Also take in account that RollerCoasterTycoon 3 didn't had a UGC support till there last expension. So the answer RCT 3 has UGC is invalid in a very certain way. But enough about in a certain way, this is how I see PC getting UGC!
Step 1 Make a good and properly working game.
Step 2 Make some new expensions and artwork in the meantime thinking about should we support UGC. (this will be after launch!)
Step 3 Launch UGC because we see the engine is holding the pressure of 3D and modelling. And community has made almost x million sceneries. And are out of fantasy.
Step 4 We all be happy after all!
This is mine point of view.
PlanetCoaster is already a gigantic beautifull game (from pre-Alpha perspective). Let them work on their themes and give them time. Maybe it will be supported / modders find their own way. It doesn't matter. I understand that people want UGC and I also understand that people don't want it.
In my experience UGC mostly destroyed my games because it was so ugly or costed to much time to add/delete ( ModSupports RCT3/Brushes/Tiles)
So for me it's not a big deal. I want also a park where you have alot of scenery or beautifull rides. Epic omnimovers without the disturbence of sunlight. But a game is what a game is. If you want to play the game with UGC then go for it! PlanetCoaster still stay the same even with UGC.
Step 1 Make a good and properly working game.
Step 2 Make some new expensions and artwork in the meantime thinking about should we support UGC. (this will be after launch!)
Step 3 Launch UGC because we see the engine is holding the pressure of 3D and modelling. And community has made almost x million sceneries. And are out of fantasy.
Step 4 We all be happy after all!
This is mine point of view.
PlanetCoaster is already a gigantic beautifull game (from pre-Alpha perspective). Let them work on their themes and give them time. Maybe it will be supported / modders find their own way. It doesn't matter. I understand that people want UGC and I also understand that people don't want it.
In my experience UGC mostly destroyed my games because it was so ugly or costed to much time to add/delete ( ModSupports RCT3/Brushes/Tiles)
So for me it's not a big deal. I want also a park where you have alot of scenery or beautifull rides. Epic omnimovers without the disturbence of sunlight. But a game is what a game is. If you want to play the game with UGC then go for it! PlanetCoaster still stay the same even with UGC.
I'm agree with you and your arguments are really solid.
Got a simple way (like RCTW seems like) to import personalized objects could be really great. Because i'm one of that who dont want to spend time importing objects trough large steps or lock the game accidently, causing breaks... Would be great.
Anyway, i'm not interested to got it with the first relase. I prefere to see the team making t awesome job they r in and got a native and confortable set of tools to create my parks.
Really, i think we are wondering too much on that, when is obvius they are going to implement that function futurely [mouth shut]
Got a simple way (like RCTW seems like) to import personalized objects could be really great. Because i'm one of that who dont want to spend time importing objects trough large steps or lock the game accidently, causing breaks... Would be great.
Anyway, i'm not interested to got it with the first relase. I prefere to see the team making t awesome job they r in and got a native and confortable set of tools to create my parks.
Really, i think we are wondering too much on that, when is obvius they are going to implement that function futurely [mouth shut]
For this lines I salute you thank you so much [heart]
Steam workshop is a big mess,and the biggest problem for me, it's not Configuring .
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Sometimes not, but he has a point and I understand him very well where he wants to go .
He wants the best possible game with the most options to build what we think.
And that's why he should really get a statue in the game. [yesnod]
Sawyer1
Planet Coaster Ambassador
I would luurrrrvvvee this!
This is what we dream for. This is the point. This is the goal!
Completely understandable
At the end of the day, it is entirely up to Frontier to decide if they want to allow UGC or not, but I don't think it is going to happen for the first full release of the Game. I think Frontier plan to develop the game much in the same way as they developed Rct3, by releasing further expansion packs, and maybe a number of DLC's. It will be then, for Frontier to decide whether it is in their best interest to allow UGC (made by the community) into the game, but in a controlled manner, from Frontiers own workshop site.
By this, I mean that Frontier would set up a workshop, where any material uploaded, can be checked, so that it is virus free, without bugs and to a certain standard that it will be suitable. Otherwise, if it was just left for any Tom, or Harry to upload stuff to websites all over the place, then there is no telling what sort of crap might get through the net. If we want decent UGC, it needs to be of good quality and not like some of the stuff I have seen for Rct3, which looks as though a five year old has designed it.
Yes I do want to see UGC eventually, like the majority on here do, but for the time being, I am quite prepared to wait for as long as it takes. I think Frontier will eventually see the benefit for prolonging the game well into the future, and may introduce UGC, until such time as new technology makes it feasible to replace the game with a new Planet Coaster 2.
If Planet Coaster is to succeed like Rct3 has for the next ten years, then I think it will definitely need UGC, because without it, I can't see Frontier developing it further after, say, four to five years from first release, as they will be busy with other things by then.
It is something that Frontier must seriously think long and hard at, as to what path they are prepared to go down, for the long term future of the game. It won't seriously affect me, because I might not be around in ten years time, but for you younger people on here, your gaming future will be with virtual reality games and everyone will be driving electric cars, if there is any room on the roads . [haha][haha][haha]
By this, I mean that Frontier would set up a workshop, where any material uploaded, can be checked, so that it is virus free, without bugs and to a certain standard that it will be suitable. Otherwise, if it was just left for any Tom, or Harry to upload stuff to websites all over the place, then there is no telling what sort of crap might get through the net. If we want decent UGC, it needs to be of good quality and not like some of the stuff I have seen for Rct3, which looks as though a five year old has designed it.
Yes I do want to see UGC eventually, like the majority on here do, but for the time being, I am quite prepared to wait for as long as it takes. I think Frontier will eventually see the benefit for prolonging the game well into the future, and may introduce UGC, until such time as new technology makes it feasible to replace the game with a new Planet Coaster 2.
If Planet Coaster is to succeed like Rct3 has for the next ten years, then I think it will definitely need UGC, because without it, I can't see Frontier developing it further after, say, four to five years from first release, as they will be busy with other things by then.
It is something that Frontier must seriously think long and hard at, as to what path they are prepared to go down, for the long term future of the game. It won't seriously affect me, because I might not be around in ten years time, but for you younger people on here, your gaming future will be with virtual reality games and everyone will be driving electric cars, if there is any room on the roads . [haha][haha][haha]
Great points raised Mr Coasterbuff... I also think this is the way Frontier will take it
Well ... With UGC, this would be possible. [big grin][big grin][big grin]
Can I have a Granddad Statue in the game?[haha]
He did stat in the livestream that they would be looking at it for a later date...which I think is the way to go...
They need to get the core game and all its themes completed and polished before even looking at letting users create content . I would much rather have a completed and interesting game with myriads of different themes and content created by the games designers itself . I do hope they add in a Spooky/Haunted theme like RCT3 had . There should be enough available to keep people busy for some time when the game launches...and hopefully some expansions as well
Now , I do think that at some point in time , they definitely need to do it , both for the serious creators and the longevity of the game itself . I am still playing RCT3 and have dozens of downloaded content packs .
They need to get the core game and all its themes completed and polished before even looking at letting users create content . I would much rather have a completed and interesting game with myriads of different themes and content created by the games designers itself . I do hope they add in a Spooky/Haunted theme like RCT3 had . There should be enough available to keep people busy for some time when the game launches...and hopefully some expansions as well
Now , I do think that at some point in time , they definitely need to do it , both for the serious creators and the longevity of the game itself . I am still playing RCT3 and have dozens of downloaded content packs .
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The funny thing with custon content is that we can seriously answer yes to this question. [haha][haha][haha]
what the hell is going on in this forum? sometimes it really feels like there are things people are not allowed to say, like some things are bad frontier is doing! Why cant such a big developer team not just add ugc content? offcourse, they wanna add expansions and make money! Why do people need to lie and say "bla bla, ugc didnt look good and i dont use it". yeah, then just dont use it, but dont be against some things which wont change anything for you! [weird] hate me or not, but dont lie to yourself just because you are afraid, that maybe frontier arent gods and PC isnt going to be as perfect as u hope, let there be criticism, as dev needs it! If everybody keeps on agreeing for everything frontier is doing and never dare to say what they feel, frontier will just do what they want! fight for ugc, fight for dark ride features, fight for custom supports, fight for first person pov characters, fight for everything you really want! [mouth shut][mouth shut][mouth shut][mouth shut][mouth shut][mouth shut][mouth shut][mouth shut][mouth shut]
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^^ We get it, you want UGC - no need to keep on ranting about people who don't agree with you. Throwing your toys out the pram if you're not happy isn't going to achieve anything. Go play RCTW if you really need UGC straight away.
don't be such an extremist. the opinions here are mostly from people who care and want a good game. these forums certainly do not always agree with Frontier and "fanboy" blind devotion is pretty low here. we are tough critics and we want a good game. bad language and accusing people of lying is not productive. we want to hear all the angles, and we want Frontier to hear them.
and... i want UGC, and i think it's essential for the longevity and popularity of the game. more copies will sell if UGC is available early, i think. doing expansions first will not satisfy the fans best nor frontier best. i'll be an occassional user of ugc, but i still want it in there.
Sawyer has good points about the quality, wading through thousands of UGC offers trying to figure out what's rubbish and what's not will be tiresome. And for non-techies, we need some stats we can read, like polygons and such, that tell us if the UGC is likely to shank the game speed under heavy usage. i had to abandon quite a few rct3 parks because the UGC performance played up when the park got bigger and fuller. Also, people's self promoting enthusiasm for their awesome UGC doesn't always pan out, and it can take hundreds of hours to find that out sometimes. I got a lot further with vanilla parks, in terms of park complexity and size.
it's not about 'just don't use ugc if you don't want to'. most of us want to (not all, but most), but we also want it to work properly. and even the non-ugc players will benefit from the ideas frontier get from watching the popularity of ugc items.
so both sides are valid. Frontier will have to walk the line between our burning desire for crowd-sourced content, and our desire for the game to run properly/efficiently. In terms of the business model, hopefully they can do both expansions and ugc support, but i bet their marketing people think expansions are more effective. i don't agree, given the massive modding community that already exists, i think their expansions will greatly benefit from first watching to see which way the ugc goes. But that's just an opinion i cannot prove it.