Powerplay Power Play - Fortification Triggers

[bigity]

Can someone point me towards an official manual or guideline that explains what must happen in order to get a fortification trigger reduction for favorable government types?

Do you have to have 50% or more of the exploited systems with one? Or the control AND exploited systems?

What about a contested system - is that simply removed from the equation?


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[Etherimp]

Can someone point me towards an official manual or guideline that explains what must happen in order to get a fortification trigger reduction for favorable government types?

Do you have to have 50% or more of the exploited systems with one? Or the control AND exploited systems?

What about a contested system - is that simply removed from the equation?


Trying to verify a bug before submitting.

Now, I'm not a BGS guy so I am not 100% sure on this, but I recently watched a conversation between a few inquisitors that were discussing it and I believe there's a bonus/penalty for having a favorable/unfavorable type IN the control system itself, and then a bonus/penalty for having a "majority" one or the other in exploited systems.

Not sure if this is 100% accurate, as I said, it's 3rd hand information and it's not my area of expertise.

 

[Rubbernuke]

The control system and 50% of its exploited systems must be favourable.

 

[bigity]

Now, I'm not a BGS guy so I am not 100% sure on this, but I recently watched a conversation between a few inquisitors that were discussing it and I believe there's a bonus/penalty for having a favorable/unfavorable type IN the control system itself, and then a bonus/penalty for having a "majority" one or the other in exploited systems.

Not sure if this is 100% accurate, as I said, it's 3rd hand information and it's not my area of expertise.

That is what I thought too, and it may be true - but I wasn't sure if the 50% or more of systems bonus included the control system in the count or not.

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The control system and 50% of its exploited systems must be favourable.

Thanks! Do you happen to have a reference, for my own personal education? Finding some of these PP facts is like...finding a needle in a stack of needles.

 

[Rubbernuke]

That is what I thought too, and it may be true - but I wasn't sure if the 50% or more of systems bonus included the control system in the count or not.

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Thanks! Do you happen to have a reference, for my own personal education? Finding some of these PP facts is like...finding a needle in a stack of needles.

Try out the guides on Antals Reddit here: https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteAntal/comments/3n7epy/a_guide_to_system_flipping_how_anyone_can_help/

Its aimed at Utopians, but it might help you out.

Example: https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteAntal/comments/3zw120/system_flipping_target_hip_8109/ - Confederacy in control system but 6 /10 exploited systems are democracies. If we flip one more exploited system, we modify the F(ortify) trigger down.

 

[bigity]

Thanks! Appreciate it.

 

[CMDR Endincite]

The control system and 50% of its exploited systems must be favourable.

That's not accurate, at least according to the various flips and trigger changes we've witnessed. Flipping the control system alone gives a bonus (when updated properly by FDev), while we've yet to see anything at all happen when > 50% of exploited systems are the proper gov't type, or when that ceases to be the case.

It's rather confusing since many systems that meet all the prereqs are not receiving bonuses, while others which have meet none them are. There's around 20 control spheres in ALD alone that fall into this catergory, and afaik Delaine has yet to see a favourable trigger change at all.

There was a rather massive bug report a while back where many BGS/Powerplay groups and people listed erroneous triggers. Nothing has yet come of it.

 

[bigity]

Yea - we were trying to test and put in new bug reports. Hopefully with some resolution this time.

 

[Sch3v]

That's not accurate, at least according to the various flips and trigger changes we've witnessed. Flipping the control system alone gives a bonus (when updated properly by FDev), while we've yet to see anything at all happen when > 50% of exploited systems are the proper gov't type, or when that ceases to be the case.

It's rather confusing since many systems that meet all the prereqs are not receiving bonuses, while others which have meet none them are. There's around 20 control spheres in ALD alone that fall into this catergory, and afaik Delaine has yet to see a favourable trigger change at all.

There was a rather massive bug report a while back where many BGS/Powerplay groups and people listed erroneous triggers. Nothing has yet come of it.

I've read so many different things about this whole trigger reducing mess but now I'm glad finally someone confirms my guesses - which is that nothing is clear or working as intended/explained by FD. In this thread alone we can see how confusing and buggy this is.

 

[CMDR Endincite]

I've read so many different things about this whole trigger reducing mess but now I'm glad finally someone confirms my guesses - which is that nothing is clear or working as intended/explained by FD. In this thread alone we can see how confusing and buggy this is.

Yeah, we've tried to put our observed information out there as much as possible, but of course it gets swamped.

- In the five months prior to 2.0, we only ever saw one type of bonus (-50%) and only saw that take effect (sensically) when a control system was flipped to patronage (one of our 'bonus' types).
- When 1.4 dropped, we saw one sphere (AB Pictoris) that actually deserved a penalty (for dictatorship - it also had > 50% of its exploited systems under dictatorship), receive a bonus instead - that has since changed, but it's still a neutral trigger.
- At 2.0 drop we finally saw a penalty take effect. Namamasairu, under dictatorship control since our group's (Chapterhouse of Inquisition) inception at the end of July, finally had its trigger register that fact. As of 2.0.01 it was still the only one, but we're going through our triggers now to see.

-At no point have we ever witnessed the "50% exploited bonus/penalty" take effect, or even in effect - all spheres either have a neutral trigger (100%), the preferred-type-in-control system trigger (50%, and we've watched this take and lose effect many times, by control system flip only), and the one system has the penalty trigger for having a "bad" type (150%).

Edit: After a cursory glance at our data (currently being updated) we have 7 spheres that receive a bonus without having 50% exploited systems under patronage/feudal control. Another 7 without having the above or the control system under patronage/feudal control. 6 receive no bonus despite meeting both requirements. It's a bit of a crapshoot. Some change the cycle tick after they are flipped. Some change a few days after that. Some never change.