Powerplay fix

[Apos]

Your idea of deeper is to take the mantel of the Power you oppose and then play them into the ground and claim victory. Scum bag tactics that can f off as far as I'm concerned.

This is not emergent game play it is abusing a system. If there was some way to keep all players in the same instance, in open so players can be identified eventually or some background process in which a Power aligned CMDR attacking their own could be determined and punished, like as with defection, then I could understand it. At the end of the day FD did not allow for this in the mechanics of the game and so it remains a scum bag move. It's abuse of the game. The fact that people doing this then cry when things are changed "Because we worked so hard to undermine them", is just pure hypocrisy. If you can abuse FD's Power Play mechanics why shouldn't they?

But saying that an badly organised power should have the same survival as the good organised ones is not a scum bag move? And the reasoning behind that is exactly because it's badly organised beyond your control? What kind of logic is that?

Not everyone can be a winner. Be happy with the time FD keeps on buying to the empire powers, but avoid name calling when others are complaining about the lack of fairness.

 

[Gswine]

But saying that an badly organised power should have the same survival as the good organised ones is not a scum bag move?

Not everyone can be a winner. Be happy with the time FD keeps on buying to the empire powers, but avoid name calling when others are complaining about the lack of fairness.

I think that the action is a scum bag tactic though I shouldn't have got so heated, it just grinds my gears when there is so much that fights us all already in just trying to play the game as it is.

I did not mean to call the cmdr a 'scum bag' even by inference. So just to clarify, I don't think he is a scum bag.

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I don't think this is helping, sorry.

 

[Apos]

it just grinds my gears when there is so much that fights us all already in just trying to play the game as it is.

So much as to what? Aisling has had among the least of oppositions last cycle. Arissa and Aisling COMBINED had less undermining than what Mahon, Hudson, Winters and Delaine each had independently. Combined they have had 6.5 TIMES as much opposition as Arissa and Aisling combined. Each of them alone had 3 to 4 times as much undermining done to them compared to what Aisling got.

There's nothing fighting Aisling. Her pledgers dug her own grave. So please let's avoid the request for sympathies when everyone else is having more troubles to deal with and copes just fine.

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I don't think this is helping, sorry.

This I can agree with.

 

[Gswine]

So much as to what? Aisling has had among the least of oppositions last cycle. Arissa and Aisling COMBINED had less undermining than what Mahon, Hudson, Winters and Delaine each had independently. Combined they have had 6.5 TIMES as much opposition as Arissa and Aisling combined. Each of them alone had 3 to 4 times as much undermining done to them compared to what Aisling got.

There's nothing fighting Aisling. Her pledgers dug her own grave. So please let's avoid the request for sympathies when everyone else is having more troubles to deal with and copes just fine.



This I can agree with.

You are just editing my words to fit your own statements. I may have had an honest reaction to something but I feel you are being somewhat disingenous in your replies. It was you who mistook name calling in the first place. Bending my opinions on the act of pledging to a power even when you play for another to fit actual undermining as a mechanic is just fraud.

Another clarification for Apos: I was not apologising to you.

Last edit: Move this to PM's or bring it back on topic

 

[ROSS-128]

So much as to what? Aisling has had among the least of oppositions last cycle. Arissa and Aisling COMBINED had less undermining than what Mahon, Hudson, Winters and Delaine each had independently. Combined they have had 6.5 TIMES as much opposition as Arissa and Aisling combined. Each of them alone had 3 to 4 times as much undermining done to them compared to what Aisling got.

There's nothing fighting Aisling. Her pledgers dug her own grave. So please let's avoid the request for sympathies when everyone else is having more troubles to deal with and copes just fine.

I do find it amusing that this cycle Hudson had how many systems successfully undermined? Nine? And I lost count of how many fortifications were canceled. And he STILL dodged turmoil. Granted unless we can get more of our population to stop grinding and start fighting for freedom, we're going to have a hard time holding off that kind of pressure consistently. Still, we're fighting tooth and nail over here. The Anime Princess gets just one undermine, or just a couple too many cancels, and she implodes.

 

[Apos]

You are just editing my words to fit your own statements. I may have had an honest reaction to something but I feel you are being somewhat disingenous in your replies. It was you who mistook name calling in the first place. Bending my opinions on the act of pledging to a power even when you play for another to fit actual undermining as a mechanic is just fraud.

Another clarification for Apos: I was not apologising to you.

The only indigenous bunch I can see around here are Aisling supporters who think the world is out to get them even though it's their own actions who caused their downfall.

 

[MannyMistry]

My idea of deeper in an open world system is to let the game evolve as a real world scenario - and yes in the real world, there are sum bags who employ scum bag tactics and then there are honest and fair people (players) who fight those scum bags - thats open world and no amount of fixing is going to change that. Let it be real, let it be open is what I am saying.

 

[Gswine]

The only indigenous bunch I can see around here are Aisling supporters who think the world is out to get them even though it's their own actions who caused their downfall.

And we're back to anti Imperial Bias. Well done. You could bang on about this for a life time. if this is all you got then it really is time for a mod to look at this.

Put it in an open letter to FD. Or get on with it.

 

[GNThrone]

And we're back to anti Imperial Bias. Well done. You could bang on about this for a life time. if this is all you got then it really is time for a mod to look at this.

Put it in an open letter to FD. Or get on with it.

+1

I'd rep you for this but the forums won't let me anymore.

I agree that an open letter would be the best option for Apos to channel his frustrations and that this thread isn't the place to discuss or complain about perceived imperial bias.

 

[Apos]

And we're back to anti Imperial Bias. Well done. You could bang on about this for a life time. if this is all you got then it really is time for a mod to look at this.

Put it in an open letter to FD. Or get on with it.

No.

This is anti-self-entitled-blue-hair-supporters bias.

I don't have a problem with Torval. She probably knows she is going down.

And Patreus is busy playing video games or watching some new netflix series.

As for Arissa. Well, I can't say much because more than half the empire will be chasing me. But she is doing better than Aisling. With more players doing stupid merit grinding than Aisling. So there's no excuses really. Although she was the first culprit due to the overheads bailout, but whatever.

+1

I'd rep you for this but the forums won't let me anymore.

I agree that an open letter would be the best option for Apos to channel his frustrations and that this thread isn't the place to discuss or complain about perceived imperial bias.

Aisling's supporters can go undermine Arissa if they don't like the "perceived" Imperial bias. She started it all after all.

She's also her main antagonist in terms of story telling, but ain't nobody got time fo' dat, right?

 

[MannyMistry]

The 50 million credits at 10K merits is what causes the merit grinders who act against the good of their own power. A jump from 5m CR to 50m CR is too much. Who wouldnt work against the good of their own power by grinding merits blindly if it finally gets them from a Cobra or Asp into a FDL/Python within a week - at 10,000 merits, the reward should be 10m CR - not 50m!

 

[ROSS-128]

I think Aisling supporters might be a little salty because they're only just now getting introduced to real Powerplay.

During cycle 8, Aisling enjoyed a support-to-opposition ratio of 11.16:1. During Cycle 9, when she lost Syntheng that plummeted to "only" 5:1. They're just not used to anyone fighting back.

 

[GNThrone]

No.

This is anti-self-entitled-blue-hair-supporters bias.

I don't have a problem with Torval. She probably knows she is going down.

And Patreus is busy playing video games or watching some new netflix series.

As for Arissa. Well, I can't say much because more than half the empire will be chasing me. But she is doing better than Aisling. With more players doing stupid merit grinding than Aisling. So there's no excuses really. Although she was the first culprit due to the overheads bailout, but whatever.



Aisling's supporters can go undermine Arissa if they don't like the "perceived" Imperial bias. She started it all after all.

She's also her main antagonist in terms of story telling, but ain't nobody got time fo' dat, right?

Then write an open letter to FD regarding your perceived self-entitled-blue-hair-supporters bias.
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You seem to have no problems with imperials that will collapse (I'm sensing a self-serving interest; don't worry, I'm just sensing it)
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Aaand you've resorted to inciting infighting among imperial powers.


Seriously, this isn't even the thread for this.

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I think Aisling supporters might be a little salty because they're only just now getting introduced to real Powerplay.

During cycle 8, Aisling enjoyed a support-to-opposition ratio of 11.16:1. During Cycle 9, when she lost Syntheng that plummeted to "only" 5:1. They're just not used to anyone fighting back.

Hey we had no real complaints with turmoil during cycle 10, we've come to terms with that. It's the fact that we're unjustly in turmoil this turn that's making us cause noise. We worked hard fortifying everything save that one system we thought would be selected for turmoil but didn't.

 

[Apos]

Then write an open letter to FD regarding your perceived self-entitled-blue-hair-supporters bias.
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You seem to have no problems with imperials that will collapse (I'm sensing a self-serving interest; don't worry, I'm just sensing it)
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Aaand you've resorted to inciting infighting among imperial powers.


Seriously, this isn't even the thread for this.

Why should I have a problem with powers collapsing due to their own incompetence? You guys never displayed the values required to survive in this numbers game. At least not fast enough to guarantee your survival.

And imperials should have started fighting each other ages ago, but they don't like it when their actions due to RP go against their benefits due to being imperials, so they always twist the RP around to fit said benefits. If you ask me, it's disgusting seeing Aisling being in peace with Torval, but what do I know, right?

Enjoy the red numbers. You should be getting used to them. Because guess who the Federals will turn towards when Torval collapses.

 

[GNThrone]

The 50 million credits at 10K merits is what causes the merit grinders who act against the good of their own power. A jump from 5m CR to 50m CR is too much. Who wouldnt work against the good of their own power by grinding merits blindly if it finally gets them from a Cobra or Asp into a FDL/Python within a week - at 10,000 merits, the reward should be 10m CR - not 50m!

I agree with this, that's an 8500 merit grind to rank 5 from rank 4; and a 5334 merit grind weekly. It's a lot easier and faster to dump all those merits into a single system (fortification grinders) or a system with a profitable return commodity (preparation grinders). And not to mention there's no real reward for doing the correct actions. We get the same rewards for doing bad actions.

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Why should I have a problem with powers collapsing due to their own incompetence? You guys never displayed the values required to survive in this numbers game. At least not fast enough to guarantee your survival.

And imperials should have started fighting each other ages ago, but they don't like it when their actions due to RP go against their benefits due to being imperials, so they always twist the RP around to fit said benefits. If you ask me, it's disgusting seeing Aisling being in peace with Torval, but what do I know, right?

Enjoy the red numbers. You should be getting used to them.

I'll just put these links here for you and anyone you might mislead.

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=175255&page=18&p=2701769&viewfull=1#post2701769

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...muakXrMcDNjYvTy_MAF5UhcWYg/edit#gid=520829301

I'm also not going to respond to the rest of your reply since it would just encourage derailing the topic of this thread.

Edit: I'll also just go on ahead and say it: Your attitude right now makes me ashamed of being part of AEDC in the past. I see your signature and I cringe.

 

[Gswine]

Why should I have a problem with powers collapsing due to their own incompetence? You guys never displayed the values required to survive in this numbers game. At least not fast enough to guarantee your survival.

And imperials should have started fighting each other ages ago, but they don't like it when their actions due to RP go against their benefits due to being imperials, so they always twist the RP around to fit said benefits. If you ask me, it's disgusting seeing Aisling being in peace with Torval, but what do I know, right?

Enjoy the red numbers. You should be getting used to them. Because guess who the Federals will turn towards when Torval collapses.

I told you take any off topic conversation to PM's.

 

[Apos]

I told you take any off topic conversation to PM's.

The topic has already reached its course. Both sides of the fence have provided their math, we are just waiting for FD's analytics now.

If that is even provided.

There's little "on-topic" anymore.

 

[ROSS-128]

I agree with this, that's an 8500 merit grind to rank 5 from rank 4; and a 5334 merit grind weekly. It's a lot easier and faster to dump all those merits into a single system (fortification grinders) or a system with a profitable return commodity (preparation grinders). And not to mention there's no real reward for doing the correct actions. We get the same rewards for doing bad actions.

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I'll just put these links here for you and anyone you might mislead.

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=175255&page=18&p=2701769&viewfull=1#post2701769

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...muakXrMcDNjYvTy_MAF5UhcWYg/edit#gid=520829301

I'm also not going to respond to the rest of your reply since it would just encourage derailing the topic of this thread.

It's not just this cycle, even if you get bailed out of this cycle, people are waking up. Cadoc is going to keep posting his activity analysis threads, people are going to keep seeing how little opposition the Empire gets, and that opposition number is going to go up.

Sooner or later, the Easymode Empire has to come to an end.

 

[GNThrone]

The topic has already reached its course. Both sides of the fence have provided their math, we are just waiting for FD's analytics now.

If that is even provided.

There's little "on-topic" anymore.

That doesn't entitle you to deliberately reply with sentiments that are off topic.

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It's not just this cycle, even if you get bailed out of this cycle, people are waking up. Cadoc is going to keep posting his activity analysis threads, people are going to keep seeing how little opposition the Empire gets, and that opposition number is going to go up.

Sooner or later, the Easymode Empire has to come to an end.

Yup, we're aware of that. We're at risk of heightened opposition and I'd welcome it rightfully. Should we be pushed to turmoil due to player actions, then that's fine. Though I'm not fine with us being in turmoil this turn due to a bug.

 

[Apos]

Edit: I'll also just go on ahead and say it: Your attitude right now makes me ashamed of being part of AEDC in the past. I see your signature and I cringe.

Just when someone would think that you can't stoop any lower...