Powerplay fix

I guess those that have similar suspicion as I do are also theorizing some sort of pro-Empire conspiracy, despite being in the Alliance and the Federation, that aren't in the same position as us?

I'd rather it wasn't true, but I wouldn't be surprised if it exists. It wouldn't be the first game for me to observe it either way.

But it's the first game where I have the ability, shall I wish to join Ross' call, to actually cause trouble to the presumably favored ones and force the hand that feeds them to expose itself.

And as far as the Alliance goes. We never had anything, not even properly generated space. (go to Kan Aphu and look at the description our prison colony has. Or doesn't have to be precise.) From this standing point, everyone is favored more. :p

But I don't think it takes an alliance or federal point of view to observe the problems to the exclusive ships being that good, having the most profitable commodity, Arissa being Hudson 2.0, having the only actually usable modules, etc to notice an imbalance in priorities. :rolleyes:

I only use my RP to judge RP anyway. This is actually a realistic approach from an above the game's world perspective.

Ships being imbalanced, fine. Especially the Clipper being introduced at an early stage. The courier is a bit dubious since it's a later addition and FD should have been wiser by then.
Most expensive commodity. Once again, fine. Their plans involve a much bigger scheme when it comes to economies, so I can see how someone would allow the problem to exist for a while until they materialize their vision in markets design, which would allow other markets and commodities to be just as profitable.

But PP bonuses and modules I really can't attribute to mistake. I find it illogical for any person to look at Arissa's perks compared to others and go ahead and greenlight the thing for release. Aisling being the only one who has multiple classes of her module, thus allowing satisfaction for all needs in the most important module of the game no less, is equally fishy.
 
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Yes, yes. The empire gets all the cool toys, life is unfair, no one hugged you as a child. You picked the wrong faction now you are in last place... anything else to whine about?

Every response you give is dripping in snide derision, and you don't seem to mind whatsoever that you just contradicted yourself. You claim the persons "crying" against Aisling are a minority, and when you're told that isn't the case, you immediately flip to the other side and claim "good thing majority opinion doesn't determine who's right."

Given these previous two points, I believe you've damaged any benefit of doubt or good faith that should be given to you, and henceforth your opinions on the matter can be entirely disregarded. In contrast, I still very much respect anything GNThrone has to say on the matter, even if I don't agree with him, because he's been mostly civil this whole thread. You, however, decided to scuttle that vessel of civility within two thread pages. Seems like you stand to learn a few things from your fellow Aisling supporter.
 
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Yes, yes. The empire gets all the cool toys, life is unfair, no one hugged you as a child. You picked the wrong faction now you are in last place... anything else to whine about?

Lol... please entertain me further, at this point what you're saying is pure amusement as you are becoming incapable to form coherent arguments.

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Every response you give is dripping in snide derision, and you don't seem to mind whatsoever that you just contradicted yourself. You claim the persons "crying" against Aisling are a minority, and when you're told that isn't the case, you immediately flip to the other side and claim "good thing majority opinion doesn't determine who's right."

Given these previous two points, I believe you've damaged any benefit of doubt or good faith that should be given to you, and henceforth your opinions on the matter can be entirely disregarded. In contrast, I still very much respect anything GNThrone has to say on the matter, even if I don't agree with him, because he's been mostly civil this whole thread. You, however, decided to scuttle that vessel of civility within two thread pages. Seems like you stand to learn a few things from your fellow Aisling supporter.

Shrink, don't worry about it, some people just like to troll.

And yes, Throne is respectable, I very much agree.
 
Every response you give is dripping in snide derision, and you don't seem to mind whatsoever that you just contradicted yourself. You claim the persons "crying" against Aisling are a minority, and when you're told that isn't the case, you immediately flip to the other side and claim "good thing majority opinion doesn't determine who's right."

Given these previous two points, I believe you've damaged any benefit of doubt or good faith that should be given to you, and henceforth your opinions on the matter can be entirely disregarded. In contrast, I still very much respect anything GNThrone has to say on the matter, even if I don't agree with him, because he's been mostly civil this whole thread. You, however, decided to scuttle that vessel of civility within two thread pages. Seems like you stand to learn a few things from your fellow Aisling supporter.

Edit: I was actually aiming my snide derision at your partner GF because he is just here trolling.

Ok, let me clarify. There is no conspiracy behind the timing of this bug fix. No collusion with the devs, no conspiracy, or Imperial bias. What we are seeing is a very simple case of cause and effect-- something broke and they had to fix it. End of story. This is a very simple application of Occam's razor.

Even if you and others are suspicious that still does not constitute evidence of bias or collusion. Even in the unlikely event you managed to convince a majority of people that a conspiracy exists (which I do not believe is the case) having more people believe your conspiracy theory does not add any credibility to your theory. Having more people believe something that is wrong does not make them right, no matter how much they want it to be the case.
 
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...... Soooo no one else is getting bounties for undermining, or have I found a special system where every powerplay NPC is lawless?
 
Ok, let me clarify. There is no conspiracy behind the timing of this bug fix. No collusion with the devs, no conspiracy, or Imperial bias. What we are seeing is a very simple case of cause and effect-- something broke and they had to fix it. End of story. This is a very simple application of Occam's razor.

Even if you and others are suspicious that is still not evidence of bias or collusion. Even in the unlikely event you managed to convince a majority of people that a conspiracy exists (which I do not believe is the case) having more people believe your conspiracy theory does not add any credibility to your theory. Having more people believe something that is wrong does not make them right, no matter how much they want it to be the case.

What you need to realize is that the opinion you are putting forth for us to consider is for us to CONSIDER. The manner you brought forth your perspective is akin to forcefully shoving things down people's throats.

If you have no intention of merely presenting your argument but shoving them down people's throats, then you are contradicting yourself. Stop going overboard with your attempt to convince people with insults and disdain toward other people's arguments when they are not directing it at you personally or trying to shove things down your throat.

If you keep contemplating that your perspective is somehow superior to others and hold no intrinsic equivalence, and perhaps some sort of inherent superiority. No matter how much you want to believe you are "right," you're not, all you're doing is presenting another perspective to the current issue, as everyone else here is doing.

Drop that attitude and you'll find yourself having more friends on this thread instead of enemies.

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...... Soooo no one else is getting bounties for undermining, or have I found a special system where every powerplay NPC is lawless?

Oh dear, bugged system? Where is it?
 
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Are you doing interdiction or fighting in a conflict zone/resistance pocket?
undermining by interdiction.

I havent earned another bounty since this new cycle started, and i know i was getting bounties from before in this system.


edit: the system is Huichi, an archon control system.
 
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undermining by interdiction.

I havent earned another bounty since this new cycle started, and i know i was getting bounties from before in this system.


edit: the system is Huichi, an archon control system.

Oh dear another bugged system I guess... I'll talk to our guys and possibly compile a bug report...
 
Edit: I was actually aiming my snide derision at your partner GF because he is just here trolling.

Lol yep, I'm the trolling one...

After calling my argument, and I quote "<Butthurt whinging and nonsense>"

Yes, yes. The empire gets all the cool toys, life is unfair, no one hugged you as a child. You picked the wrong faction now you are in last place... anything else to whine about?

Do you even hear yourself anymore?
 
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We totally wanted to pay out of our own pockets to purchase and haul countless tons of "I <3 Aisling" bumper stickers to fortify systems that can be ninja-undermined from 0% to 100% in the last 10 minutes before downtime.

Welcome to the party, pal!

Seriously - you're not special, princess. Stealth undermining has been the reality for every single power for the last ten weeks, and it's something that everyone else has had to cope with.
 
What you need to realize is that the opinion you are putting forth for us to consider is for us to CONSIDER. The manner you brought forth your perspective is akin to forcefully shoving things down people's throats.

If you have no intention of merely presenting your argument but shoving them down people's throats, then you are contradicting yourself. Stop going overboard with your attempt to convince people with insults and disdain toward other people's arguments when they are not directing it at you personally or trying to shove things down your throat.

If you keep contemplating that your perspective is somehow superior to others and hold no intrinsic equivalence, and perhaps some sort of inherent superiority. No matter how much you want to believe you are "right," you're not, all you're doing is presenting another perspective to the current issue, as everyone else here is doing.

Drop that attitude and you'll find yourself having more friends on this thread instead of enemies.

The simplest and most likely explanation for what we are seeing is a bug (or confluence of bugs) needed to be fixed and the devs had to patch things back together in the least harmful way they could find while they work on a proper fix.

I am not presenting this as a perspective, perspectives are subjective. I am making an objective logical argument in favor of the null hypothesis (i.e., "Nothing is out of the ordinary is going on") as the most likely scenario, if I have said anything that contradicts that position, please bring it to my attention so I can address it.

As for my attitude, I do not suffer fools gladly. When you throw around unfounded accusations of wrongdoing at the devs- absent substantial proof- then you and your accusations will be met with contempt and disdain. When you are reasonable, you will find me to be reasonable in kind.

Now, unless you have something to present besides your personal suspicion and conjecture to support your position it will remain a absurd conspiracy theory that is full of holes.

If you still feel this is being shoved down your throat, I suggest you break it down to bite size and chew better so you can digest it properly.

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Welcome to the party, pal!

Seriously - you're not special, princess. Stealth undermining has been the reality for every single power for the last ten weeks, and it's something that everyone else has had to cope with.

I am not claiming otherwise, but I think we both agree it sucks when it happens to us, right?
 
undermining by interdiction.

I havent earned another bounty since this new cycle started, and i know i was getting bounties from before in this system.


edit: the system is Huichi, an archon control system.

Maybe your problem is that one is already undermined. Try Fan Cechehe instead.
 
The simplest and most likely explanation for what we are seeing is a bug (or confluence of bugs) needed to be fixed and the devs had to patch things back together in the least harmful way they could find while they work on a proper fix.

A possible explanation.

I am not presenting this as a perspective, perspectives are subjective. I am making an objective logical argument in favor of the null hypothesis (i.e., "Nothing is out of the ordinary is going on") as the most likely scenario, if I have said anything that contradicts that position, please bring it to my attention so I can address it.

I cannot agree with this. First of all, your appeal to objectivity already throws me off the train. Nothing can be objective, there can be intersubjectivity and subjectivity. Which is why I made the claim that you are seeing the situation from your set of biases and creating an opinion from that.

If you insist that you are being objective, what is to stop me from claiming the same? What would prove my input as subjective while yours objective? The assessment itself inevitable falls to subjectivity. We don't have official response from FD to prove which perspective is supported by the official response, at this point we are all guessing and speculating. Like I said, stop attempting to convey your perspective as some "hard fact." Everyone here is speculating, don't make yourself the target of attention from other users in this thread by claiming some inherent superiority/truth.

Edit: First you claimed that the people suspicious of FD's action is the minority and we should stop throwing conspiracy theories around based on simply being the minority. Then later on after another user points out that the majority are having suspicion about the issue, you cite a quote and claim that the majority isn't credible.

I think that's hypocritical enough. It also points out that you're willing to use whatever argument necessary to compose a point, even when it contradicts a former concept utilized by you.

As for my attitude, I do not suffer fools gladly. When you throw around unfounded accusations of wrongdoing at the devs- absent substantial proof- then you and your accusations will be met with contempt and disdain. When you are reasonable, you will find me to be reasonable in kind.

Look, stop it with the insults. Ad hominem is fun once in a while but if you keep doing it, all you're doing is making yourself look silly. At what point did you find me insulting you for arguing against my argument? You can claim whatever you want about my arguments, it doesn't make it true, it is another layer of perspective for others to see and potentially convince them. With the way you're presenting your argument and how you react to others' arguments, you look extremely conceited and close-minded.

Also, what? We all find things we disagree with and find outrageous throughout life, and we learn to tolerate and understand each other, not going at one another's throat and throwing "contempt and disdain" at them. That is just plain disturbing. Anyone can claim any perspective to be baseless accusations and unsubstantiated, but how you disprove said perspective isn't by throwing insults and contempt, but rather providing evidence or supporting clause that strengthen one's case against the said perspective.

All you have done to my argument is calling it, and I quote "Butthurt whinging and nonsense" then proceed to type the line: "Yes, yes. The empire gets all the cool toys, life is unfair, no one hugged you as a child. You picked the wrong faction now you are in last place... anything else to whine about?"

No matter how good your argument is (still haven't really received a real reply to mine), do you really think anyone would want to be convinced by your mannerism? The first rule of any discussion is to have basic respect for your converse partner, if you can't even do that, don't engage in a debate.

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Also, as a warning, if you can't find it in you to respect me as a debate partner and continue with your insults, I will have no choice but to contact the moderators about the issue.

This isn't a threat, I am informing you of my upcoming action if you continue to deliberately show "contempt and disdain" and see it as a reasonable response to my argument, or rather, any argument on this forum.

Now, unless you have something to present besides your personal suspicion and conjecture to support your position it will remain a absurd conspiracy theory that is full of holes.

Maybe you should start poking those holes without insults and contempt, since as it stands, all you replied to my argument is the line I quoted above, and it isn't even relevant... and if anything, strawman and a slippery slope as icing on the cake.

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Not to mention I'm not the only one having suspicion of FD's movement, I don't understand why are you targeting me/Archon Delaine specifically. Therefore I have suspicion that you have a personal issue with me, if that is the case, this is not the place to discuss that.

If you still feel this is being shoved down your throat, I suggest you break it down to bite size and chew better so you can digest it properly.

I am telling you what kind of a person you are coming across as with your mannerism as it is, it's pretty obvious it's not just me that has a problem with it as Shrink pointed out.
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Ahem. The conspiracy is not due to Arissa and Aisling doing well, but because of them being allowed (or forced someone might say) to do well by changing the rules when they run into trouble. E.G. overheads cost change for Arissa expanding too recklessly. Or by manipulating the population to support them, like for example, let's say with prismatic shields or Arissa's bonuses.

Both Mahon and Yong-Rui are doing well on their own accord and due to their own merits and actions.

Bugs are most likely going to become evident with a larger power than a smaller one because they are the ones who's growth will start stressing the mechanics in new and unforeseen ways. When balance adjustments are made, the general trend has been toward making the game harder for everyone, not easier-- fortifications cost more, upkeep costs more, undermining is encouraged by extra merits, etc. Factions will always be affected by these changes proportional to their size so the biggest factions also take the biggest hits when changes take place which is why each significant balance change tends to result in more volatility among he top 5.

I simply do not see where Mahon and Yong-Rui demonstrate any more or less merit in the way they got to their current position. We are all playing by the same rules- with the only difference being who was on top and thus got screwed harder the last time the rules changed. If anything they (I think Yong-Rui especially) got the benefit of having other factions step on the landmines first to clear their path. That makes their assent look nice and smooth, but not because they are doing anything significantly different than anyone else.
 
Seriously, a response from the developers would be nice right about now.

I'd like confirmation from FD on what happened, what really should have happened, and what's going to happen.

-Which of the three scenarios we came up with was the correct one?

-Is Syntheng going to be left bugged intentionally leaving us in unjust turmoil - despite being explicitly said that we shouldn't be in turmoil? (I personally feel that this bug should be fixed. Opposing players can still undermine us and that would lead to turmoil but I prefer if it was strictly due to that and not due to a bug. It's like FD is implying that it's bound to happen anyway so let's not bother fixing it.)

-Are we going to have to wait until Thursday for any substantial response after the current turn has ended so that nothing can be done anymore?

Our players have worked hard in fortifying all but one of our systems last turn.

Our players are working hard to fortify our systems this turn.

Everyone is working and waiting for an update.
 
Dear F-DEV,

Please can a developer give us a point by point break down of the last cycle calculations, so that we can see that there is no behind the scenes manipulation and so we can understand how power play works.



...assuming there is no behind the scenes manipulation.
 
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