Yep. I'm thinking more than that is just too big a list. I mean 150 may be too big, but it's all up to those who are modding it.
I don't think more than 20 is realistic for either birds or aquatics...maybe 25 at most?
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I don't think more than 20 is realistic for either birds or aquatics...maybe 25 at most?
Works for me. But I'm personally not confident if I can get 25 aquatic species for my wishlist but most certainly am gonna try
I think that works for me! Like I said I think it would be beneficial to do new animals in bold, then maybe separating it further by continent.
Here is an example for instance (not what I think just a quick example)
North America
- Grizzly bear
- Mountain Lion
- American bison
- Pronghorn
- American alligator
- Moose
- Beaver
- Wood duck
- American flamingo
- Aviary: Bald Eagle
- Aviary: Great horned owl
- Exhibit: American bullfrog
- Exhibit: diamond back rattlesnake
- WTE: Monarch butterfly
- Aquatic: West Indian manatee
Yep that's a good format.
I didn't think of the WE...should we add a category for that?
So 5 WE animals, and then add the other 5 on to birds? How does this grab you?
80 Regular animals
25 Birds
20 Aquatic
20 Exhibit
5 WE Exhibit
If we're splitting exhibit and WE exhibit, maybe just go with 10 WE exhibit. But I guess it'd be difficult to pull out species for that part ... Unless people come with like 10 species of butterflies
No offense, but precisely a post like this is an example of how a little thing would case a headache to whoever is tallying the votes.
Imagine that, as was suggested, there are ratios for habitat, exhibit, aquatic and aviary animals. What would you do with your WTE in this case? What would you do with alligator snapping turtle? I don't think ratios would work, sorry, if anything, only extra headaches for whoever's managing this to go over every list and make sure people stick to those ratios. Those silly 2 minutes per submission would mean a world if you have >500 submissions.
Maybe we do 15 animals per continent and 5 for antartica
Maybe regardless of how the Devs will add different species into PZ2, we try collecting votes by clades for now?
Ah yes, that can be done after the votes have been tallied. Any data analysis like grouping animals into categories etc. can be done once we have the list. And it can be done by different people.
There's no point adding that info in every user's submission beforehand.
Again, we're talking potentially >500 submissions with 150 animals each. That's over 75000 individual votes to validate and tally.
But having the basic ratio would make things cleaner and easier for the mods to go through the lists. It would also make it more accurate overall list. Otherwise you get some people listing half birds - others half fish, and so on.
Also, it doesn't have to be rigidly enforced. Just a basic template. If people wanna go a bit higher/lower in a couple categories that shouldn't be a big deal.
But you do raise a valid point about confusion over what animals should be WE or not...I think it might be better to scrap the WE category from the template.
Oh good point, as far as we know flying may be combined with enrichment pieces like climbing is. Which would make it a habitat animal. We are already seeing this with the mods coming out now.
yeah good point, too many variables.
I feel like forcing people to include groups of animals defeats the point of the list, if someone doesn't want/care about aquatics they shouldn't have to include them and if someone like @RightWhale is particularly passionate about birds they shouldn't be limited to 20
I won't go into much detail but when I tally the votes I put them all in an Excel column then sort them by alphabetical order and count for each species. This could be done even more easily with R but people make a huge amount of spelling mistakes or naming animals differently (eg. Lar gibbon is also white-handed gibbon).
The less noise you have in the submission, the better. This makes a huge difference.
Sure, something like a template with roughly the ratios you suggest could be used, but as you said it shouldn't be rigidly enforced (I still don't see how voting for only birds is a problem, it's about what individual persons want) and the less unnecessary info you have in each vote, the better. I can only speak from my personal experience though.
Oh wow, this makes me think the work I have with the feature wishlists is easy. I just have to moderate the suggestions, gather them and input it into a table rather than spending days figuring out how a wishlist should be made and fighting over how to class each animal group into community agreed formats.
Okay that makes sense. Like I mentioned in my last post...I would leave it up to you guys as to what/if any "restrictions" or even just "suggestions" you wanna make for how people compile their lists.
I've been disconnected from the forums lately and I didn't know about the limit. I've just seen Milurian's thread though.
I never had a problem with that myself but I guess that's because I only stuck to habitat animals, making the main list only 726 rows long.
I agree it's a good approach to include as many as the forum allows and keep the rest in a public Excel file.
I never had a problem with that myself but I guess that's because I only stuck to habitat animals, making the main list only 726 rows long.
I agree it's a good approach to include as many as the forum allows and keep the rest in a public Excel file.