Powerplay Proposal of a chart for the support to Open mode in Powerplay

Before the station buff it was possible to ambush and destroy commanders leaving the starport. In any case, if it's true that some powers have an advantage (or not a disadvantage) in solo or private, well... But I'm not willing to say anything that may worry the thought police.

It seems to me from the reactions that there are two streams of thought, one that is oriented towards open and playing for having fun and another one that is oriented towards solo/private and playing to win.
 

Robert Maynard

Volunteer Moderator
It seems to me from the reactions that there are two streams of thought, one that is oriented towards open and playing for having fun and another one that is oriented towards solo/private and playing to win.

There's at least one more: from what Frontier have said recently, they are well aware that the majority of players do not get involved in PvP - to encourage Powerplay to be played in Open would seem to be an uphill battle from that perspective too.
 
I for one would be happy to play in Private and have no access to PP and to just live in the RNGverse created by those who wish to do so.

Having backed ED when I thought I was going to get true Solo, offline play because that's what I want, it is unimportant to me.

I do agree it is unfair for those in Private/Solo to affect the PP thingy whilst avoiding all the potential pitfalls Open brings, as I say just remove the ability for Private / Solo players to influence the PP stuff.
 
There's at least one more: from what Frontier have said recently, they are well aware that the majority of players do not get involved in PvP - to encourage Powerplay to be played in Open would seem to be an uphill battle from that perspective too.

That looks like the second option. Can't see the difference or your point.

It is quite easy to avoid PvP in open. Most fortifiers or snipers holding merits will avoid PvP with high wakes or other avoidance techniques, that is part of the game.
 
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Archon Delaine has inbound fortification and our HQ was frequently blockaded during the pirate war.

We thought it made for good gameplay and our players liked trying to get through. This sort of thing is much more fun than the PvE drudgery of fortification.


Yes very courageous, and no doubt a well thought out strategy to fight off the multitude of empire raiders during that time, The unfairness of it all OMG. ;)

It's not a matter of it being fun or not, it's a matter of the game being fair to all participants. In the current set of mechanics you'd end up with some powers being impossible to properly blockade, up to the point that you cannot properly blockade any Federation power (they are both outbound fortifiers), whereas other powers can be effectively blockaded.

Sure, the 3 on 1 war between Delaine and the Empire was fun, but wouldn't it have been even more fun, if you could effectively blockade your opponents' head quarters and do as much damage to them as they can do to you?

Me, I am a huge proponent of fairness - that's why open only is moronic with the current mechanics.

This arguement is reminescent of the Lion,TinMan and the Scarecrow all being led by Dorothy.. Perhaps Victoria Wolf VI is leading Alliance afterall.. and Mahon is nothing more than a puppet lol

uncourageous, unresourceful and heartless to be SEEN to protect its citizens and that which is most important!! FREEDOMS
 
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Yes very courageous, and no doubt a well thought out strategy to fight off the multitude of empire raiders during that time, The unfairness of it all OMG. ;)



This arguement is reminescent of the Lion,TinMan and the Scarecrow all being led by Dorothy.. Perhaps Victoria Wolf VI is leading Alliance afterall.. and Mahon is nothing more than a puppet lol

uncourageous, unresourceful and heartless to be SEEN to protect its citizens and that which is most important!! FREEDOMS

I'm sorry - are you arguing that game mechanics that give one group an advantage over another group is somehow fair? PowerPlay is unpopular enough as it is - good luck making it more popular by telling people that group A gets a random advantage, because FDev didn't think through the consequences when they designed the mechanics for it.

Look at what happened to Delaine - abandoned and left to perish because FDev kept ignoring the massive amounts of unfair effects that plagued him. Massive open participation from Delaine's followers sure made him more popular, right? Right? No - there's only so much you can do to keep something attractive when it is riddled with unfairness. Sure, you go ahead and pretend that it's about the Alliance being cowards and all that childish moronic behaviour and ignore that I've been a massive proponent of fairness in PowerPlay's mechanics since day one, speaking out against all of it when I see it, regardless of who it affects.

In the meantime I'm going to just ignore you and wait until you've grown up and become a proper adult.
 
Your pretty much spot on with your comments on Delaine and I do see your point on fairness regarding fortification etc.

I think powerplay needs an overhaul. The recent changes were just a plaster for the worst problems.
 
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Robert Maynard

Volunteer Moderator
That looks like the second option. Can't see the difference or your point.

It is quite easy to avoid PvP in open. Most fortifiers or snipers holding merits will avoid PvP with high wakes or other avoidance techniques, that is part of the game.

The implication of the post I quoted was that only the Open play way is fun, i.e. play in Open for fun, play in Solo / PGs to win.

Some players do not find PvP (or even the possibility of PvP) to be fun - hence why some players choose one of the other two modes.
 
I'm sorry - are you arguing that game mechanics that give one group an advantage over another group is somehow fair? PowerPlay is unpopular enough as it is - good luck making it more popular by telling people that group A gets a random advantage, because FDev didn't think through the consequences when they designed the mechanics for it.

Look at what happened to Delaine - abandoned and left to perish because FDev kept ignoring the massive amounts of unfair effects that plagued him. Massive open participation from Delaine's followers sure made him more popular, right? Right? No - there's only so much you can do to keep something attractive when it is riddled with unfairness. Sure, you go ahead and pretend that it's about the Alliance being cowards and all that childish moronic behaviour and ignore that I've been a massive proponent of fairness in PowerPlay's mechanics since day one, speaking out against all of it when I see it, regardless of who it affects.

In the meantime I'm going to just ignore you and wait until you've grown up and become a proper adult.

Once again some light hearted banter... dont let it play on those inadequacies ;)

yknow i hear often enough the cries of many a Cmdr on these Forums crying Foul and unfairness when they are face to face with an unknown enemy.
and strangely enough there simple solution's to the unfairness of being Ganked by a wing was.
1 Fight and return fire
2 Run and system jump before being interdicted or afterward
3 Cry on the Forums
4 Cry to the Developers to lower NPC diffuculty
5 Play in Private groups/Solo
6 Learn from the experience

Yet hear we have a Power. Alliance the leading power.. with many experienced Cmdr's having no real excuse to cry unfairness.
making the excuse that the Galaxy is not fair for anyone!!

I sense there is a internal barrier holding back Alliance players from expanding on the sheer scope of what powerplay could become
ultimately more intense and enjoyable!!
 
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The implication of the post I quoted was that only the Open play way is fun, i.e. play in Open for fun, play in Solo / PGs to win.

Some players do not find PvP (or even the possibility of PvP) to be fun - hence why some players choose one of the other two modes.

Well, as per the OP, they go into Private or Solo. The proposal looks like a suggestion or a request, not a demand.
 
The implication of the post I quoted was that only the Open play way is fun, i.e. play in Open for fun, play in Solo / PGs to win.

I'm not talking in general, this post is addressed to people steering powers. From the answers I got here and on Reddit, I resumed the positions in two lines of thought, of which in this thread the representatives are, respectively, Whitnail and Vectron, and I thank both of them for taking the time to reply. And aspiringexpatrjate, rjwhite and Misaniovent of course.

I don't know how to stress this out again, but the context of my post was clear. I do not think that open is better than any other modes. I'm just saying that Powerplay in open is more enjoyable imo, and I'm asking that organized groups foster participation in open for all like-minded cmdrs. I don't want to brainwash anyone, nor asking Fdev to modify modes.
 
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Maybe lets not enforce any playstyle over other...
If somebody have more fun in Open good for them...but that does not mean that other players have the same preferences...

Also due instancing and in general internet limitations, you can not have all connected players from all over the world in one system in one instance..so PP forced only to Open mode will not stop "ghost" fortification and undermining...
And PvP with current crime and punishment system, meta eng ships is not great experience anyway...
My personal opinion - Elite due design is more PvE game then PvP anyway...
 
If you like to meet other players that like to meet players like you, guess what? There is already an option to do, and it's called "Open play mode."

I totally fail to see what your suggestion would add on top of that.

Unless your goal is force others to play in Open against their preference, but you wouldn't want to force your personal preference onto other players, would you?
 
If you like to meet other players that like to meet players like you, guess what? There is already an option to do, and it's called "Open play mode."

I totally fail to see what your suggestion would add on top of that.

Unless your goal is force others to play in Open against their preference, but you wouldn't want to force your personal preference onto other players, would you?

Why all this aggressiveness. It's pretty clear what I was asking: that groups engaging in Powerplay agree to do it in open or in any case foster participation in open. That doesn't touch in any way the freedom to choose one mode over another by any individual.
Apart from that, can we ask people to come play in open or is it forbidden? Is asking equivalent to pointing a gun?

Tell me cmdr Quantrix I'm all ears. What I see here is just an attempt to depict me as an abuser. I should be angry, not you.
 
Just to add some PR - maybe a banner?

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Why all this aggressiveness.

You started by quoting Sandro's hand grenade.

(As an aside, it's funny that people keep going back to that quote. It's almost as if there are no other quotes supporting their view! )

Other instances of your stance towards other approaches (underlining mine):

Unfortunately, some Powerplay-focused player groups don't follow the same policy and they carry out their activities in Private groups.

[Players of PP groups] should be communicated clearly that the Open mode is the preferred mode for their activities

It's clear you want to restrict the freedom of other groups to choose their own preferred mode. So who is aggressive here?!

It's pretty clear what I was asking: that groups engaging in Powerplay agree to do it in open or in any case foster participation in open. That doesn't touch in any way the freedom to choose one mode over another by any individual.

If you don't want to touch the freedom, why make a request like this in the first place? Why won't groups be allowed to play in Solo or Private?

By the way, you haven't answered my question why you want to restrict those groups from following their own preferences.

Apart from that, can we ask people to come play in open or is it forbidden?

The game asks that at the start, and the cursor starts on Open. You can ask in the forums, and did. But why would you want to have all PP groups sign a charter preferring Open? That's several steps beyond "asking people to play in open."

Is asking equivalent to pointing a gun?

You did quoting Sandro's hand grenade.

Tell me cmdr Quantrix I'm all ears. What I see here is just an attempt to depict me as an abuser. I should be angry, not you.

You depict yourself as such: You started this thread and you want to restrict others.
 
How a preference becomes a restriction is something unclear to me. I admit that English is not my first language, but I checked in the dictionary and preferred doesn't means that the other options are excluded. My proposal is to encourage Powerplay in Open, not to force people.

Your other statements comment themselves. Quoting Sandro is pertinent, he is a developer and he expressed an opinion that someone may share or not. How this becomes a gun pointed to people is also unclear to me.
 
How a preference becomes a restriction is something unclear to me. I admit that English is not my first language, but I checked in the dictionary and preferred doesn't means that the other options are excluded. My proposal is to encourage Powerplay in Open, not to force people.

Your other statements comment themselves. Quoting Sandro is pertinent, he is a developer and he expressed an opinion that someone may share or not. How this becomes a gun pointed to people is also unclear to me.

I don't want to speak for Quantrix, but for me, for new arrivals showing up to a Power's organisation for the first time, a loudly stated preference will feel like a restriction to them. I'm all for encouraging Open play, and as surprising as it is to me, the current ToC 'blockade'/'attack' on Kamadhenu is bringing more Open activity to Kamadhenu, not less. I think this is happening because there are plenty of PvP defensive pilots there and ToC isn't absurdly overpowering with their ships and tactics, in the way some PvP squads can be. Everything ALD Research states as an objective is framed as a suggestion or request. We have no orders for our player base at large, just strategy and research. As such, any request or preference for gameplay mode would be misunderstood as a directive or order from on high.

I refuse to do that to the dozens, if not hundreds of ALD pledges who follow Research's goals. And not just for the reasons that any starport anywhere in the galaxy might just decide to blow them out of the sky because someone new joined the instance. All game modes have their reason and their place in this game. Whenever I describe a situation or system, I will include a warning about possible enemy CMDRs in the region. I do this because I am expecting 90% of our players enjoy playing in Open. And anytime someone in Discord advocates for PG or Solo, if someone doesn't beat me to it, I gently encourage playing in Open, and point them to the possibilities for cooperative play by doing that. I do not jump on those who state they're in PG or Solo, only if they are eager to get others to play there instead of Open.

One of our longtime pilots is a moderator and advocate for Mobius, but over the past week he's played more in Open than I've ever seen him. I don't believe ToC gets the credit here, but our collective pilots' response to ToC. The combat pilots are hanging out at HQ and keeping in touch with everyone they can in case of hostile action. Still, any complaint about being ganked at a CG is sometimes answered with derogatory comments about Open mode, to which the only thing I can do then is direct them to the Imperial CG discord. As a Power, we can't dedicate resources to things like that. It really sucks, because every competitive Imperial CG appears when the Imperial Powers are involved in operations, thus we wind up neglecting the CG storylines, in favour of bolstering our Powers.

Makes me a bit anxious about the storyline at large.

Right, back to the point of this thread: as leader of ALD Research and an ALD player group, I may not advocate for all pilots to play in Open mode, but I do my best to encourage it. Frankly, the best method I've seen for encouraging that is by getting experienced pilots to fly with new ones in Open mode. And while I can't do that often personally, I hope that I can guide those who can to do that more often.

If your goal with this post was to get all 11 Powers' leadership to say something similar to that, well, it's a nice idea, but the OP feels confrontation rather than encouraging.
 
There should never have been anything but open mode in elite dangerous in my opinion, or atleast they should have separated the online communety from the single players/private groups. Open should have had its own universe, xbox should also had it own universe since we cant instance with them... bubble should have been made much smaller, so players would meet more often.
 
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