PSA: Open is carnage and I expect them to follow us all the way
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Goose4291
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I wont lie, I made elite in explorer without leaving the bubble.
However, the point is we're talking about survivability rather than straight up exploration builds arent we?
And that would power your mining rig with the setup your using
.Survivability in my case means being able to land on high G worlds close to a star (sometimes within the scooping zone) without having to use a single heat sink. That's why the powerplant is G5 low emissions instead of armoured.
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Sure, that'll depend on the ship of course. My Phantom does just fine with armored+thermal spread, but it's true, for my T6 I run a larger low emissions plant. Haven't tried an explora-Python, so couldn't say which way I'd go on that.
Bob Lighthouse
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I am just correcting a few misunderstandings.
Goose4291
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I get what youre saying, dont get me wrong. Ive landed on my fair share close to a sun while hunting eng mats.
But you can achieve the same results flatlining non essentials when you require to do these kind of things (i.e. if I was doing that I'd turn off weapons, fuel scoop, countermeasures, the SRV bay and of course the cursed cargo hatch as well as anything else superfluous before making my approach.
As I say though, probably because Im so used to eeking every last drop of performance out of small ships I end up thinking this is a reasonable line of thought.
Sure, I shut all of that stuff down, too, and it's nice having 12% heat in normal flight then.
"please come to open mode so I can troll you"
This thread is fun to read while I mine.
This thread is fun to read while I mine.
Since there's been talk about survivability, curious about whether a Type 6 has a chance. I'll preface this by saying I decided to pay my dues in open last night, and I was really impressed by how fast I died! Only run into gankers a few times previously (mostly a couple years ago), and I was about 50/50 at that time. I've read all the advice concerning escape, but last night was interdicted a couple seconds after entering the system and let's just say "turn, boost, don't fly straight, high wake" got about as far as "turn, bo."
So, the question on my mind is whether there's a build for a Type 6 that would stand a chance, under constraint that I'd mod core internals and use and mod a grade 5 shield, but wouldn't sacrifice other optional internals to defence. Mostly an academic question at this point, but curious.
So, the question on my mind is whether there's a build for a Type 6 that would stand a chance, under constraint that I'd mod core internals and use and mod a grade 5 shield, but wouldn't sacrifice other optional internals to defence. Mostly an academic question at this point, but curious.
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Since there's been talk about survivability, curious about whether a Type 6 has a chance. I'll preface this by saying I decided to pay my dues in open last night, and I was really impressed by how fast I died! Only run into gankers a few times previously (mostly a couple years ago), and I was about 50/50 at that time. I've read all the advice concerning escape, but last night was interdicted a couple seconds after entering the system and let's just say "turn, boost, don't fly straight, high wake" got about as far as "turn, bo."
So, the question on my mind is whether there's a build for a Type 6 that would stand a chance, under constraint that I'd mod core internals and use and mod a grade 5 shield, but wouldn't sacrifice other optional internals to defence. Mostly an academic question at this point, but curious.
Hey Halceon, give me a little while, I'll send you a build.
That's kind of you. I did up my power plant armor and shield size from their original values before launch, but mostly as a defense against careless meet-ups, although I had thought it would do better than it did in escape. If I were at computer, I could post it.
Back when the chance seemed about 50/50 I didn't mind trading "content" as often as it happened, but a life span of seconds... Actually wasn't so bad--got me docked real fast. I wouldn't wish that on someone with data to lose, though.
Back when the chance seemed about 50/50 I didn't mind trading "content" as often as it happened, but a life span of seconds... Actually wasn't so bad--got me docked real fast.
I wouldn't wish that on someone with data to lose, though.
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I'm impressed how gankers are trying to present their harassement as "predation" and them as predators. I see how such view in the mirror is appealing, "I'ma wolf, a tiiiiigeeeerrr". Such a view lacks basic understanding of what a predator is. Those hunt from need, not fun. It is a means to survival. To gankers it is not survival and it brings them nothing. Except probably a feeling of achievement, of self-fulfillment. Pretty weird really, from shooting down unarmed ships with no means of self-defence.
Actually, I was totally half-joking, hence the emoticons. I realize now that I should apologize for thinking you guys would understand such intricacies of public discourse. I expected too much of you, and I'm sorry. Next time I'll provide a picture book or something drawn in crayon. LOL
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That's kind of you. I did up my power plant armor and shield size from their original values before launch, but mostly as a defense against careless meet-ups, although I had thought it would do better than it did in escape. If I were at computer, I could post it.
Back when the chance seemed about 50/50 I didn't mind trading "content" as often as it happened, but a life span of seconds... Actually wasn't so bad--got me docked real fast.
Hey Halceon,
It's a little late and I still need to send you that build. But, in the meantime...
A 5A shield is a waste on a T-6. Due to the hull mass, you're wasting your 5 slot for (literally) 8 mj of shields.
Better to go with a 4A.
(*edit* Amended the shield sizes to match T-6 internals)
Very tired, but will make sure to se
nd you more info in the morning,.
P.S. watch this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uh9AWV_BWo0
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Both are true but unconnected statements. Most predators kill for survival success (except maybe for cats and orcas
). That role equates to pirates. You're nothing of the sort, killing merely for entertainment alone. I think that's more like a psychopath (or is it sociopath, I don't know). Those that fill that role in other animal social communities are typically either short lived or otherwise isolated. I reckon you should be sentenced to a prison colony and banned from ever acquiring an FSD or passenger ticket.Bob Lighthouse
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Both are true but unconnected statements. Most predators kill for survival success (except maybe for cats and orcas
It's a video game so no one is actually exploring or trading either.
I wold HOPE you're also playing for entertainment.
Btw, animals don't kill "for survival success" or anything else so noble, hahaha...
That implies a choice, foresight etc.
They just do it when the opportunity and stimulus coincide.
Funny parallel there if you really think about it!
I can't count the number of times I've gutted fish I caught, that were already so bloated with food there's no way they could swallow the lure.
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Goose4291
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Since there's been talk about survivability, curious about whether a Type 6 has a chance. I'll preface this by saying I decided to pay my dues in open last night, and I was really impressed by how fast I died! Only run into gankers a few times previously (mostly a couple years ago), and I was about 50/50 at that time. I've read all the advice concerning escape, but last night was interdicted a couple seconds after entering the system and let's just say "turn, boost, don't fly straight, high wake" got about as far as "turn, bo."
So, the question on my mind is whether there's a build for a Type 6 that would stand a chance, under constraint that I'd mod core internals and use and mod a grade 5 shield, but wouldn't sacrifice other optional internals to defence. Mostly an academic question at this point, but curious.
As its a type 6, you might want to consider fitting a chaff launcher as well.
Generally speaking small ships can be a nightmare to hit for any gimble using assailant, of which a high percentage of attackers Ive encountered tend to use.
- Plenty of entertainment here. Generally I'm happy with any player encounter in ED due to rarity. Baiting these guys by appearing in open has been a bit of a laugh, and a challenge. They're starving in what's become an otherwise empty little pond.
- I don't see how my statement implies foresight. The reflex you speak of has developed by generally continuing the survival of the individuals that exhibit it (the victim on your hook was once the statistical anomaly) thereby leading to greater chances of the success of the species. Additionally there's the currently ongoing question as to if "intent" is simply a thin veil over reflex.
- Agreed, an oddly apt and ironic analogy.
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I sat in station for hours last night watching the madness, no end of fish in the barrel. Keelback shenanigans was pretty funny, I just hope nobody got sent back to the bubble..
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