It's quite a good troll though, judging by the amount of discussion it has generated! 
PvP and Open Play Should be Required to Unlock Engineers!
- Thread starter Slamdance_Kozmopolis
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Yes. ED is a game where you can do a lot of activities, including combat. To do activities with other players is totaly optional, the game seems basicly designed as Single-player. So PvP is a niche activitiy for people that do combat AND do this in a MP enabled mode. This could never be a requirement to achieve progress in the game.
So that you can write some obscure and not valiant arguments to prove me wrong and blablabla... No.
AI difficulty is a whole other topic tbh.
It's an interesting question in terms of gameplay choices - AI difficulty scales with the player or difficulty scales by region.
It's my opinion that it's neither in ED, and that the gulf between top AI and PvP is too great.
Your logic is flawed.
The engineers are locked behind different (canon) in-game professions. Combat in general is covered under some engineering requirements so that covers that.
The specific form of combat (PvP combat) is not actually a canon in-game profession, it’s simply an optional (meta-gaming as far as the lore in concerned) interaction. Interactions with other players has always been strictly optional in this game.
Robert Maynard
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Add in to the consideration that PvP is an optional extra....
Robert Maynard
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It already takes much, much longer to unlock Lori Jameson - is the suggestion to increase the number of tonnes mined to unlock Selene Jean?
W O R D !
This is why I resent the engineering unlocks so much.
--> It's the entire point of this thread. <--
Don't force me to build a ship and go mining to get armor upgrades and I won't force you to do PvP or play in open for FSD upgrades!
Do we have a deal?
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
No one is forced to get armour upgrades - and players can't force other players to do anything they don't want to do.
It isn't up to players....
No one is forced to engineer anything. It is your choice to engineer something, so for gods sake, fullfill the requirements for that!
I think OP is trolling at its best. Impressiv how long and intense he/she keeps the community occupied with this dudelidu.
No.
The suggestion is right in my OP. It's to make the unlock for Felicity Farseer much more difficult and combat related. How about that? She does offer G5 upgrades that most commanders consider essential after all. Why shouldn't that be challenging? Think of the sense of "pride & accomplishment."
Again, I just want to make sure as many people as possible are forced to do activities they don't want to do. I'm told it builds character.
I don't care what you do with Jameson because she isn't standing between any player and their fun!
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
Indeed - and no-one needs to agree with or support the suggestion, and may choose to make their opposition known.
Suggesting that the unlock is changed, to suit a particular play-style preference, to force players to engage in entirely optional activities, is as likely to create resentment towards the activity that players would be forced to undertake.
What a troll - really people, stop feeding the troll...
I agree with this. Nobody is forced to engineer anything. So adding a PvP requirement should be fine since it will remain optional too. I want players to be forced to experience PvP the same way I'm forced to experience mining, exploration & trading. Who knows, you might actually like open play!
Why don't you think that's fair?
Let's all broaden our horizons.
From day one, ED has been a single player game. A great one as far as I am concerned. All MP aspects of this game were optional, from the very start. Most MP aspects of the game don't even work all that well. Networking is pants, network drop recovery for wings is nonexistent, instancing is problematic before you even take blcok lists into account.
PvP was never a core of the game. It was merely allowed. If you want to unlock all engineers, you do in fact need to do a little of everything, trade, combat, smuggling, exploration, mining. The game does not differentiate those activities by what mode they were done in, open, solo, or pg. Because, it's a single player game with some optional MP elements.
So, OPs idea is, well, it's stupid. Like so stupid it has to be a troll. The logic only makes sense if the game was never pitched as having a complete experience in solo, and PG modes, and consolers did not have to pay extra to engage in MP.
PvP was never a core of the game. It was merely allowed. If you want to unlock all engineers, you do in fact need to do a little of everything, trade, combat, smuggling, exploration, mining. The game does not differentiate those activities by what mode they were done in, open, solo, or pg. Because, it's a single player game with some optional MP elements.
So, OPs idea is, well, it's stupid. Like so stupid it has to be a troll. The logic only makes sense if the game was never pitched as having a complete experience in solo, and PG modes, and consolers did not have to pay extra to engage in MP.
Assuming the trader likes mining, I hated it and only did it subsequently for that guy in Alioth.
And yes Tod was a grind, just as Lori was.
Actually not sure which of them was the worst grind, Tod and Selene are kind of close in that respect.
Again, in all seriousness, that is the whole point of the thread.
I'm expressing my profound resentment about that very issue right now.
You're soaking in it.
So you agree then. A good design would help players experience all the content they want, ergo AI challenge should build them up to where they ought to feel comfortable in PvP?
That kind of goes against your "AI is set against a median (or other arbitrary number) skill level"
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
It's a bit like PvP being entirely optional in the game - some can accept it for what it is and some will rail against it, for years in some particular cases, rather than accept the
game for what it is.
Nah - Forum PPE is a thing.You're soaking in it.
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Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
Nope - PvP being entirely optional means that the game does not need to force players to become skilled enough to engage in it.
... and if players want to engage in a PvP only feature to hone their skills there's already CQC....
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