PvP and Open Play Should be Required to Unlock Engineers!
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Well, I put in the work at work. That's how I got the money for my computer. I play games for fun, so I'm definitely not willing to put in the work there! Glad you understand... 
Lets take it serious for a moment. In fact more or less what you want is there already in the game. Some engineers demand mined stuff, some demand bounty vouchers and others just credits... So what do you complain about exactly? That you have to trade or mine something and did not like it? I had to collect bountys and work on my combat rank what...guess... i did not like much. So everyone is a victim of this mechanic unless you decide to skip engineering.
I think you are wrong, unless things have changed you can get Elite combat rank purely from ground combat (probably even in Horizons if you are prepared for a tedious grind of skimmer killing)
You and me both, I've never visited a Guardian site twice. I find them fascinating and have been working my way towards Eta Carinae.
The potential is colossal though probably unrealised.
I wouldnt call it exactly that.
On my main account, when i first unlocked engineers, they were the perfect tool to learn about various stuff i had no idea about
Like black markets, mining, thargoid stuff etc.
I remember i really hated mining - i mean reaaaaally hated it. Only to eventually turn 180 and discover deep core mining, that i liked, and then eventually laser mining turned be quite relaxing and enjoyable.
You are aware I hope that there are other engineers than Felicity that offer the same G5 blueprints she does?
Oddly I got my combat Elite ages before the other two which required me to try much harder, but then I wasn't shooting at players most of the time.
To my mind the issue here is that you seem to want Elite to be a straightforward level playing field sort of game, unfortunately for that point of view Elite has touches of simulation in so like the real world not everything is fair or even.
If you didn't want the thread to get diverted into a discussion about open only and PvP you really shouldn't hae mentioned them so loudly in your first post.I want FDev to rebalance engineering like the said they would. That's it.
This thread isn't a clever ploy to replenish my baby seal supply. It's a clever ploy to never be forced to go mining or trading again! Honest...
Robert Maynard
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So no Elite ranks require ship-to-ship combat then?
I think skimmer and ground troops xp caps out quite early.
20 Hours of mandatory PVP does not sound like a call to do away with redundant gates. It sounds like a call to get seals to smash.See, this is the actual topic I'd like to discuss.
I don't do HGSS's and I most definitely don't do Guardian sites because they are so unpleasant and tedious. I avoid cheesing at Dav's hope too. The thread is all about how bad it is to require players to do unpleasant, redundant activities that they don't like to do.
FDev needs to stop doing this to players as it is a HUGE driver of frustration and general dissatisfaction with the game.
I want FDev to rebalance engineering like the said they would. That's it.
This thread isn't a clever ploy to replenish my baby seal supply. It's a clever ploy to never be forced to go mining or trading again! Honest...
I think you're target is moving as counterarguments are made.
You might have titled this thread, "Alternative Mechanics to Repetitive Gameplay Loops for Engineer Unlocks"
But no, it was titled "PvP and Open Play Should be Required to Unlock Engineers!"
Pretty sure you really did mean what you said, until you were called out on it.
It takes a lot more skill to take down a Medusa or Hydra than it does to gank some defenceless noob.
Ever hear of an object lesson?
yawn
PvP would be far too easy and exploitable as an unlock requirement. Just call a friend over, deactivate shields and let each other blow up 4 times. Engineer unlocked.
Would be less exploitable by just collecting NPC kills, since they can't be bribed for such shenanigans.
Oh wait, but NPC kills is already an unlock requirement for some engineers. Problem solved.
Would be less exploitable by just collecting NPC kills, since they can't be bribed for such shenanigans.
Oh wait, but NPC kills is already an unlock requirement for some engineers. Problem solved.
With all the PvP-for-engineer-unlock arguments, one already coined question got unanswered by the OP AFAICS: what would you feel if the PvP match requirement can be fulfilled in PG as well? All your arguments so far do not underline why it needs to be Open mode. You explained why you find the current unlocks unfair and that you want to either get it removed or other players "punished" for the pain you felt (which is a pretty psychopath attitude IMHO), but not why your proposal only works in Open mode in contrast to Open+PG. Can you give an answer to that?
On the subject of engineering, I guess the genie is out of the bottle. I think it is a very sub-optimal game mechanics, but changing it now in a big way can easily annoy many players, so I don't think that FDev will do much in this regards. Some re-balancing here and there, but that's it.
On the subject of Open-only, I once proposed a separate server copy with appropriate client that has only one mode: Open. This was inspired by the way the Odyssey alpha/beta was handled. It would cost FDev money to do this, but the technology is there and the development cost is marginable (just remove the other mode options from the client software). However, it would only be an experiment about how many are really interested in such a game, because all the current mechanics (P2P netcode, blocking feature, clogging) make "real" multiplayer play futile, anyway. Or in other words: there are so many ways to cheat away the PvP risk that the Open-only ideas are prone to fail. ED (although being an online game of sorts) is just not the game for this.
On the subject of engineering, I guess the genie is out of the bottle. I think it is a very sub-optimal game mechanics, but changing it now in a big way can easily annoy many players, so I don't think that FDev will do much in this regards. Some re-balancing here and there, but that's it.
On the subject of Open-only, I once proposed a separate server copy with appropriate client that has only one mode: Open. This was inspired by the way the Odyssey alpha/beta was handled. It would cost FDev money to do this, but the technology is there and the development cost is marginable (just remove the other mode options from the client software). However, it would only be an experiment about how many are really interested in such a game, because all the current mechanics (P2P netcode, blocking feature, clogging) make "real" multiplayer play futile, anyway. Or in other words: there are so many ways to cheat away the PvP risk that the Open-only ideas are prone to fail. ED (although being an online game of sorts) is just not the game for this.
Ah, you want a pure combat ship simulator instead of a galaxy simulation. That’s understandable. What’s interesting is that I’ve met frightening amount of people for whom the grind IS the game loop. Be it exploration grind, mat gathering, mining or trading grind. For them preparation is better than the journey. For you, the grind is an unfortunate diversion from the game loop. I get it and I’m leaning towards your camp. I’d say the game is intended for them primarily. You know, grind your brains away after work, that sort of thing... I am astonished how this development team of grinding pros of galactic proportions even came up with a flight model so good.
Even before Odyssey, killing thargoid scavs using dumbfires was a thing.
Odyssey is giving combat rank for any onfoot kill that happens outside of a Combat Zone (these to give mercenary rank)'
So yea, killing ships is not really required
AFAIK none of the engineer unlocks require you to play in one specific game mode (open, PG, solo). I see no reason for that to change.