PVP in ED? Enough already, this isn't a PVP game. Forums plugged up, too much.

Sup3rfluiD

Sup3rfluiD
Mohrgan said:
Then, try suggesting something.

Something short of OO. I've been in this debate since the game's release. The only suggestion the Pro-PvP crowd ever makes insists, somehow, on forced participation in PvP. First it was 'drop Solo/PG', that went on forever, then after Sandro's 'handgrenade' (his description) the cry has become 'open only'. No other suggestions gets any traction from the PvP side. This is self defeating.

When the PvP crowd can conger up an idea that doesn't include forced participation, I'm sure the forums will see many get behind the idea. If for no reason other than to see the crying end.
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Yeah so have I. Many proposals have been offered.
For me thats not the issue with this particular thread though.

My issue is with another player doing his best to diminish and invalidate a playstyle just because its not his chosen pursuit.
Its demaening, arrogant and short sighted in its entirety.

Your reply borders on the same dismissive attitude.
"The pvp crowd"!
If there is a crowd then surely this group of the community is just as valid, and has the same rights to wanting content updates as "the trading/explo/mining crowd"
 
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Mohrgan

Mohrgan
Sup3rfluiD said:
Yeah so have I. Many proposals have been offered.
For me thats not the issue with this particular thread though.

My issue is with another player doing his best to diminish and invalidate a playstyle just because its not his chosen pursuit.
Its demaening, arrogant and short sighted in its entirety.

Your reply borders on the same dismissive attitude.
"The pvp crowd"!
If there is a crowd then surely this group of the community is just as valid, and has the same rights to wanting content updates as "the trading/explo/mining crowd"
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When the carebear, hiding in solo, type of demeaning chatter stops, I'll shed a tear for the feelies of the PvP crowd. How 'bout that?

I have, for some time now, offered suggestions for improving the state of PvP in this game. Only to see every proposal, not just mine, get binned because it doesn't force people into PvP. Right about now I could care less about finding common ground. Crybaby PvP guys are not worth the bother any more.

I'll be sure to show my disapproval for OO and anything that seeks to force people into PvP, but you're on your own (the PvP crowd that is) on finding some relief. That crowd is so busy whining they can't even recognize help when it's in text.
 

Sup3rfluiD

Sup3rfluiD
I agree with most of that tbh. I only pvp now days but stick to organized stuff or organic wing fights where everyone involved is a capable combatant.
This is the gameplay i would like to see fostered but the edge case proponents from the respective tribes pve/pvp usually get so far on my nerves i now only post every few months, if at all.

I will add though the "pvp is r@pe, you exploded my pixels so your a sociopath" banter is just as tiresome and prevalent as the "git gud" chatter.
 
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Sir Ganksalot

Sir Ganksalot
Sup3rfluiD said:
I agree with most of that tbh. I only pvp now days but stick to organized stuff or organic wing fights where everyone involved is a capable combatant.
This is the gameplay i would like to see fostered but the edge case proponents from the respective tribes pve/pvp usually get so far on my nerves i now only post every few months, if at all.

I will add though the "pvp is r@pe, you exploded my pixels so your a sociopath" banter is just as tiresome and prevalent as the "git gud" chatter.
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Couldn't agree more, also we should fight sometime. You should add me as a friend
 

Mohrgan

Mohrgan
Phisto Sobanii said:
I'm just pointing out prayers are useless when God's stopped taking your calls.
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Again, I thought the post was clear. I made no prayers.

You might have tried: "You cannot petition the lord with prayer!" - J. Morrison

It's would have been more dramatic, and I could have sung along.
 

Phisto Sobanii

Phisto Sobanii
Mohrgan said:
Again, I thought the post was clear. I made no prayers.

You might have tried: "You cannot petition the lord with prayer!" - J. Morrison

It's would have been more dramatic, and I could have sung along.
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You're complaining about people not offering up proposals to fix PvP and then specifically complained about yours being shot down. Of course you couched it in language like, "not just mine" but we all can see what you're really irritated at: no one cares about Mohrgan's opinion.

But at the end of the day, FDEV doesn't seem to care about any of our opinions. So why bother? We should do what we can with what we have and shut the hell up.
 

Mohrgan

Mohrgan
Phisto Sobanii said:
You're complaining about people not offering up proposals to fix PvP and then specifically complained about yours being shot down. Of course you couched it in language like, "not just mine" but we all can see what you're really irritated at: no one cares about Mohrgan's opinion.

But at the end of the day, FDEV doesn't seem to care about any of our opinions. So why bother? We should do what we can with what we have and shut the hell up.
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Wrong. I'm just tired on the one-trick-pony nature of the PvP crowds suggestions. My suggestion was never terribly unique, nor original. But, it checked all the required boxes.

At the very least it helped to establish that the PvP crowd isn't looking for better PvP, nor to have a meaningful impact on the game. That crowd, those people, only want more targets. No one should shed a tear for where PvP is in this game. It's a seeming self-inflicted wound. Allowing the PvP crowd the mantle of perpetual martyr.

Enjoy, even if it is in absentia.
 

Phisto Sobanii

Phisto Sobanii
Mohrgan said:
Wrong. I'm just tired on the one-trick-pony nature of the PvP crowds suggestions. My suggestion was never terribly unique, nor original. But, it checked all the required boxes.

At the very least it helped to establish that the PvP crowd isn't looking for better PvP, nor to have a meaningful impact on the game. That crowd, those people, only want more targets. No one should shed a tear for where PvP is in this game. It's a seeming self-inflicted wound. Allowing the PvP crowd the mantle of perpetual martyr.

Enjoy, even if it is in absentia.
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It's funny to hear you say that. As far as in game fun goes, the two groups I had a major hand in starting are having the time of their lives.

But sure. Whatever you say, bud.
 

Mohrgan

Mohrgan
Phisto Sobanii said:
It's funny to hear you say that. As far as in game fun goes, the two groups I had a major hand in starting are having the time of their lives.

But sure. Whatever you say, bud.
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I'm sure the only comment you could spare, would have to have nothing to do with what I said, or what is being discussed.

But sure. Whatever you say, bud.
 

Phisto Sobanii

Phisto Sobanii
Mohrgan said:
I'm sure the only comment you could spare, would have to have nothing to do with what I said, or what is being discussed.

But sure. Whatever you say, bud.
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As I often have to do with your types I'll go ahead and revisit the post I responded to and respond again in hopes you might see my point. I suppose this is what I get for trying to be clever about it.

Mohrgan said:
When the carebear, hiding in solo, type of demeaning chatter stops, I'll shed a tear for the feelies of the PvP crowd. How 'bout that?

I have, for some time now, offered suggestions for improving the state of PvP in this game. Only to see every proposal, not just mine, get binned because it doesn't force people into PvP. Right about now I could care less about finding common ground. Crybaby PvP guys are not worth the bother any more.

I'll be sure to show my disapproval for OO and anything that seeks to force people into PvP, but you're on your own (the PvP crowd that is) on finding some relief. That crowd is so busy whining they can't even recognize help when it's in text.
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I've bolded the relevant bit. Who cares about suggestions for improving the state of PvP when FDEV is so clearly not listening to us? They are interesting academic discussions, at best. Blaming an entire group of players for your perception of the "state of PvP" is breathtakingly stupid of you. Especially when so many of those players, like those in Newton's Fusiliers or Loren's Reapers (the name of the groups I referenced), are having a ton of fun anyway.

More or joining them every day, by the way.

To go further the current state of affairs is not the fault of these so called PvPers or so called Carebears. It lies solely the with the party that has actual power to change anything in the game: FDEV.

Do yourself a favor and wrap your skull around that, would you?
 

Mohrgan

Mohrgan
Phisto Sobanii said:
As I often have to do with your types I'll go ahead and revisit the post I responded to and respond again in hopes you might see my point. I suppose this is what I get for trying to be clever about it.



I've bolded the relevant bit. Who cares about suggestions for improving the state of PvP when FDEV is so clearly not listening to us? They are interesting academic discussions, at best. Blaming an entire group of players for your perception of the "state of PvP" is breathtakingly stupid of you. Especially when so many of those players, like those in Newton's Fusiliers or Loren's Reapers (the name of the groups I referenced), are having a ton of fun anyway.

More or joining them every day, by the way.

To go further the current state of affairs is not the fault of these so called PvPers or so called Carebears. It lies solely the with the party that has actual power to change anything in the game: FDEV.

Do yourself a favor and wrap your skull around that, would you?
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St. Phisto, the patron of self inflicted wounds accepts his martyrdom.

Maybe if the players would ask for reasonable changes, that wouldn't be the case.
 

Phisto Sobanii

Phisto Sobanii
Mohrgan said:
St. Phisto, the patron of self inflicted wounds accepts his martyrdom.

Maybe if the players would ask for reasonable changes, that wouldn't be the case.
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So the truth is PvPers ruined any chance of FDEV listening to you? That's the takeaway I'm getting here now.

In any case, it's not the players fault. So what if the requested changes were unreasonable? FDEV should put on their big boy points and learn how to say, "No." Simple.

Also, St. Phisto? No need to cuss at me.
 

Threeofseven

Threeofseven
Crumly said:
This guy is talking about the advertising saying this is a "cutthroat galaxy" or whatever the advertising says. Which by the way, if you are going to use advertising lines as your argument, you might as well not even talk, unless it explicitly said "integral exciting PVP game". And we all know it does't.



No it doesn't. It doesn't say anything about "you'll get ganked by players just like in UO 1997". It's pathetically laughable how much players are trying to turn the verbage on a box into their argument. The mere fact NPC's regularily interdict players is "cut throat" enough to satisfy that advertising.

I was a ganker in Diablo 1 and UO for years. It was exciting, and before you even talk, I am inside your head. I already know your thoughts and arguments, I was YOU possibly before you were even born. Then I played Darkfall for many years and fought against the gankers (if you don't know what darkfall is, it was a WOW type game with FPS combat and built for PVP- sorta). Then I realized MMORPG's (Elite, arguably) are not well suited to PVP. I play League of Legends and Mordhau/Chivalry 98% of my game time now, games that are actually PVP games, designed from the ground up for it. Elite dangerous, a pvp game? What a SUPER bad joke to try to maintain.

This is just another WOW clone with different clothing, never really a PVP game, has PVP added on to it. Literally every discussion of this is objectively stupid. It's a tertiary part of ED, and a small subset of players try to make it into a big thing in this game. You are welcome to have a different opinion, but you are completely wrong.

I'm 37 and had a computer since I was tiny. I played Wolf 3d, Doom, warcraft 2, hexen & heretic 1 & 2 when they came out. I was too young to actually talk to knowledgeable people about gaming back then, wasn't until I saw Goldeneye on n64 that I even knew FPS was at it's best during PVP. My friends would get annoyed because I didn't want to play Mario Cart circuit mode, I just wanted to do battle mode all day every day. Before anyone even coined the term PVP, I was a pvper.

And this game ain't a gently caressing PVP game. But everytime I look at the forums I have to sift through numerous threads about Open. This is a PVP game like WOW was a PVP game. Yeah, it had open world pvp possible, even though I thought I was a "leet pvper" and sought it out it was rare, and unsatisfying. That game had instanced PVP battlegrounds, everyone was tuned into PVP and more or less prepared for it. Just like CQC. Elite dangerous main game has no balance, it also has no goals (regarding pvp, there is no "match").

This STUPID arguing about Open mode, has been going on 5 years now, WHY EVEN WASTE A THOUGHT ABOUT IT, let alone threads and posts and hours of your lives debating it? It isn't going to change, and people are fools for wasting your time thinking about it. I just wasted 5 minutes typing this up out of frustration there are almost 0 quality threads I can read about ED, it's all about Open mode. For all I know, there is new information about Odyssey on page 2, but I don't click it because it's probably more whining.

Actual "pvpers" play games like Fortnite/PUBG, CS, Overwatch,Valorant, Moba's, RTS

In the space MMORPG i'd Suggest Vendette Online for PVP
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im sorry but you’re completely wrong. Now prepare to hand over your cargo...
 
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