PZ2 news...?

Could you PLEASE Not Always forget about the Giant River Otter?!
Hey. I love them. Is probably the animal i built for the most in pz1, but i don't consider them essential. An otter in general is essential for a zoo game, but not specifically the giant otter.

Plus is one of the animals that needs a remake the most so having it added later in dlc would not be terrible.

Also... It is right there in the list lol
 
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I don't think anyone is expecting them to change the base game roster. We all know its way too late for that.

The aims of giving feedback are:

1. Express dissatisfaction. Clarify where things have gone wrong and why. Be clear, be calm, be specific, be considerate.

2. Impact the future. DLCs, free updates, these can be influenced.

3. Make a demand. 10 essential PZ1 animals could be given for free in the first 4 months and it would make things a lot lot better:
1. Polar bear
2. Red kangaroo
3. Jaguar
4. Capybara
5. Peafowl
6. Emu
7. American bison
8. Mountain lion
9. American alligator
10. Cheetah or Southern white rhino

Join in larger numbers and all this has bigger weight.
Well said!! 🐎 💚 And yes, those 10 animals would make the roster a LOT better. You have my support. Where do I need to sign? ;):giggle::LOL:
 
Ok. No longer mad at Leaf. His video is very reasonable. Still think that joking around with this, specially at this moment, even if that is his default mode, was not acceptable.


Another demand i have for them:

STOP INCLUDING SCENERY OF ANIMALS YOU ARE NOT GOING TO ADD.

We got the peafowl sign, the mountain lion and deer carving, the japanese macaque statues, the pronghorn dummy, the bald eagle interactive station, and so on... And they cut all of them??
The Mountain Lion carving angers me. What is the point of it? Where do I put it? Why would I need to use it if I can't place cougars in my zoo? Or the Macaque statues... Yes, you can make an area dedicated to Japan ig, with sakuras and whatnot (are they in the game?) but what for, when there are no animals that can be found in Japan? Not only the Macaques are absent, there is no Tanuki, no Red-Crowned Crane, not even the Red Fox and nothing new like the Sika Deer or the Japanese Serow either. Again, what is the point of macaque statues being in the game?
 
The Mountain Lion carving angers me. What is the point of it? Where do I put it? Why would I need to use it if I can't place cougars in my zoo? Or the Macaque statues... Yes, you can make an area dedicated to Japan ig, with sakuras and whatnot (are they in the game?) but what for, when there are no animals that can be found in Japan? Not only the Macaques are absent, there is no Tanuki, no Red-Crowned Crane, not even the Red Fox and nothing new like the Sika Deer or the Japanese Serow either. Again, what is the point of macaque statues being in the game?
they where proably where going to add it but just barely missed out, like I bet it will be one of the first returning dlc animals
 
Why isn’t it the Atlantic kind
Easy on the "A" word there
STOP INCLUDING SCENERY OF ANIMALS YOU ARE NOT GOING TO ADD.
yeah, this whole "scenery for animals not in the game" finally has to stopp, its so pointless.

Potentially a hot take, but I disagree with this.

I think some animals are way to iconic for certain biomes and locations, that omitting them from scenery really hurts the theming potential. Especially the way PZ1 did themes, which were tied to either base game or single DLC packs.

I think I was one of few who liked inclusion of dromedary decorations in Africa pack, but it just makes sense to me. You have to have camel scenery in desert theme. Those two are inseparable. I think more themes should've incorporated animals that fit their theme, no matter what animals came in that pack. Tropical theme should've, for example, had more SEA animals, Oceania should've included previous Aussie animals and so on. Otherwise every theme is a hostage to Frontiers' roster pick, because not every pack with specific theme set will have all popular animals tied to that theme, we know they want to spread them out as much as possible.

Or some animals that can't ever be a part of Planet Zoo roster, but are still good for theming, like Dodos and Sperm Whales in PZ1 base. And it's not like real zoos don't use decorations of animals that they don't hold and have never held to set the mood for a section.

For PZ2, I think damage is not as bad as it looks. If previous base game animals return for free, matching statues and signs won't be unassigned for long. Puma may yet come in base, I actually think it's one of the hinted animals. Just as grizzly, but even then brown bear scenery and brown bear species in game are interchangeable. There's no way for a statue to exclusively depict grizzly and no other brown bear species. Bald Eagle statues might've never been bald eagle to begin with. And so on.
 
This is just going to be another Call of Duty game where a group of people rioted against the game then said they would never buy it and then were all caught playing it on launch day.

I've always disliked Frontier even before this happened and was always never trust Frontier due to their predatory tactics and locking animals into DLC packs. This was always inevitable ever since the Europe Pack when I realized we won't be getting free animals anytime soon.

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just sayign real flame and a strike in league of legends was enough to force riot give us our loot boxes back but i dont think this community has the back bone or passion for it
 
Easy on the "A" word there



Potentially a hot take, but I disagree with this.

I think some animals are way to iconic for certain biomes and locations, that omitting them from scenery really hurts the theming potential. Especially the way PZ1 did themes, which were tied to either base game or single DLC packs.

I think I was one of few who liked inclusion of dromedary decorations in Africa pack, but it just makes sense to me. You have to have camel scenery in desert theme. Those two are inseparable. I think more themes should've incorporated animals that fit their theme, no matter what animals came in that pack. Tropical theme should've, for example, had more SEA animals, Oceania should've included previous Aussie animals and so on. Otherwise every theme is a hostage to Frontiers' roster pick, because not every pack with specific theme set will have all popular animals tied to that theme, we know they want to spread them out as much as possible.

Or some animals that can't ever be a part of Planet Zoo roster, but are still good for theming, like Dodos and Sperm Whales in PZ1 base. And it's not like real zoos don't use decorations of animals that they don't hold and have never held to set the mood for a section.

For PZ2, I think damage is not as bad as it looks. If previous base game animals return for free, matching statues and signs won't be unassigned for long. Puma may yet come in base, I actually think it's one of the hinted animals. Just as grizzly, but even then brown bear scenery and brown bear species in game are interchangeable. There's no way for a statue to exclusively depict grizzly and no other brown bear species. Bald Eagle statues might've never been bald eagle to begin with. And so on.
I dissagree. If some animals are that iconic that need to get scenery pieces then they should be included in the game along those pieces. Otherwise what is the point? Why would i care placing a cougar carving in a wall if said animal is no where to be seen. And i thought the same about the camels back then... They were so. Iconic that they make a saharan scenery set pack and have to includem in decorative items yet they don't bother to add them to said pack playing tease with the player base?
 
Not the same thing. They ALREADY had made a sea lion and a seal for the first game.

I understand the animals have been improved in behaviour and animations but c'mon you already had the base.

Plus pinnipeds are more popular than octopus and attract crowds. In a game featuring aquariums they should be there.
No, thats the thing, they are NOT done.
They are done for PZ1, they have to do them from scratch, outside of Text & MAYBE (even that i personally doubt) Sounds there isn't much that can be reused without sticking out like a sore thumb.
So there isn't any "Base" to work from.
 
No, thats the thing, they are NOT done.
They are done for PZ1, they have to do them from scratch, outside of Text & MAYBE (even that i personally doubt) Sounds there isn't much that can be reused without sticking out like a sore thumb.
So there isn't any "Base" to work from.
I don't believe that for a second. I highly doubt they have made everything from scratch as they claim. Some animals looking virtually the same is proof of that. And i doubt they would waste resources they arleady invested and make everything from zero again. That wouldn't be smart for maneging resources and reducing expenses either.
 
They keep telling us that 136 animals is a lot, like, “The first game had half as many, so stop complaining.” Okay, sure. But then you look at the actual list and realize that SIX of those animals are butterflies.

SIX. BUTTERFLIES. CARL!

There are SO many cool flying animals they could’ve added, and they looked at all of them and went: “Yeah. Eurasian bittern. That’s the one.”
 
No, thats the thing, they are NOT done.
They are done for PZ1, they have to do them from scratch, outside of Text & MAYBE (even that i personally doubt) Sounds there isn't much that can be reused without sticking out like a sore thumb.
So there isn't any "Base" to work from.
I refuse to believe they made the African Penguin from scratch.

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Still haven't been able to make a post with my thoughts because: LIFE. But man, I dont want to be harsh, but Im still super disappointed.

Ive been considering starting a YT channel for PZ, and want to add a my perspective of being a zookeeper IRL. But i cant easily make the majority of my planned zoos/exhibits (which ive planned quite extensively 😅) Sure I can still make habitats for what I hope to return and knew that was probably going to be the case for an obscure animal like the Somali wild ass, but having to do that for the cheetah, grizzly, and American bison??

I dont know. Like yes, we wanted birds and aquatics and new habitat species like the tree kangaroo. But not necessarily at the extent as shafting the habitat roster. I mean, these are the core animals for a zoo game and was how PZ1 could get by without flying birds and especially aquatics. I never expected to get everything back, but I thought Frontier would at least give us enough to get by for each continent.
 
The Mountain Lion carving angers me. What is the point of it? Where do I put it? Why would I need to use it if I can't place cougars in my zoo? Or the Macaque statues... Yes, you can make an area dedicated to Japan ig, with sakuras and whatnot (are they in the game?) but what for, when there are no animals that can be found in Japan? Not only the Macaques are absent, there is no Tanuki, no Red-Crowned Crane, not even the Red Fox and nothing new like the Sika Deer or the Japanese Serow either. Again, what is the point of macaque statues being in the game?
To be fair, the Japanese macaque statues are from the first game's East Asia theme, it would be weirder if they removed them.
 
Ngl, just sitting it out and go back to pz1and finish up my zoo i never got to finish never seemed so tempting in the Last couple months, and i absolutely hate the favt that this is the way it is. Just weathering out this storm and wait till dlcs, or more likely modders have brought the game to a reasonable state
I was finally following a clear vision for my oldest project but I feel that I've lost the desire to play, sort of as a protest and due to feeling cheated. Then again, my goodwill isn't really affected because I still hadn't preordered and was waiting until the last week to make a decision, which now means they're not seeing another refund by me adding up to the grand total.

No clue about when and what they're gonna do with the Planet Coaster 2 DLC that was being teased for this month.
 
I dissagree. If some animals are that iconic that need to get scenery pieces then they should be included in the game along those pieces. Otherwise what is the point? Why would i care placing a cougar carving in a wall if said animal is no where to be seen. And i thought the same about the camels back then... They were so. Iconic that they make a saharan scenery set pack and have to includem in decorative items yet they don't bother to add them to said pack playing tease with the player base?
Ideally we should get both per theme, but since Frontier will always omit a popular choice or two, getting rid of both the actual animal and decorations seems like double the damage, while on the other hand I feel like decorations at least mitigate it a bit.

I feel like playerbase would feel less teased, if we shifted our understanding of decorations and as just plain vibe/mood setters rather than hints.

I understand, however, that the root of this disagreement is primarily in taste and preference, so I won't insist too much on further persuasion, but I noticed that your side is rather popular sentiment in community across platforms, so I wanted to voice alternative/opposed view.
 
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