Quit backing and seek a refund?

[Iskariot]

But I won´t get the expansion pass before I have seen a basic demo, running on *my* PC, not some youtube video made by the alpha VIPs, laughing, getting more perks while I look at my missed delivery date.

Personally I do not consider getting stuff for free in a game like Elite as something positive at all.

I want to earn my own way. That is what the game is about. Getting stuff for free because of reasons that are not intrinsic to the role playing is a big no for me. I do not want it. The only time I want stuff for free is because of in-game role playing related consequences of my actions.

I do not care whether getting bought 'perks' should be considered an unfair advantage. I do not play the game like that and I do not like that kind of rivalry.
If (and that is a big if) I partake in multiplayer I will stubbornly go my own way and make my own money, just like I do in single player.

If these 'perks' of others diminish gameplay for me I will simply retreat to single player. But I also believe the Elite universe will be far to big and eventful for this to be a real problem.
It is this kind of bickering that might be one of my reasons to avoid the irritations of multiplayer completely as that might poison my enjoyment of the game more than the actual perks of others.

I think you must be mad to even consider asking a refund. This game is much more than just any game to me. I would not want to miss it for the world. Let others have their bought privileges. Who cares. Just look at what this game is becoming and concentrate on that. Just enjoy it. There will be so much to enjoy.

 

[Daeron]

They should obviously not play too hard with exclusives at this stage, as a pure observation. With that said, if I could put more cash into this one, I would, now and forever. Not capable of that presently, but the spice must flow. There is only one true goal here. And this is not it.

 

[ToadMan]

I'm pretty sure the game isn't being pushed back so alpha backers can have more time enjoying the game at the expense of everyone else...

Enjoyment isn't the best term for the current Alpha anyway.

Personally my enjoyment has yet to start with the Alphas (the alpha satisfies my curiosity but I can't say its fun to play for that long), but while the current Alpha doesn't crash as much, it certainly seems to be performing a lot worse to the point where I wish to test it less than previous versions.

I doubt there is anyone in the Alpha who wants this phase to continue longer than absolutely necessary - unfortunately "absolutely necessary" is turning out to be quite a long time...

Toad.

 

[warbaby2]

I doubt there is anyone in the Alpha who wants this phase to continue longer than absolutely necessary - unfortunately "absolutely necessary" is turning out to be quite a long time...

Indeed... personally, I can't wait for the final alpha, since it, appearantly will focus on what really interests me in the game: Trading and exploring.

 

[metatheurgist]

I'm just the annoying American but darned if a lot of people don't get annoyed way too easily these days...Back in my day....

Says Capt. Grumpy Pants.

 

[TheSpackman]

There are options in the web store, you may purchase or upgrade; but you may also apply to get a full refund before you download anything.

The recent announcement more perks to Alpha backers as a marketing drive offended me by a) diluting the promise made to premium beta backers, and b) unnecessarily gifting insurance breaks to Alpha Backers.

Are you annoyed? are you delighted? do you care?

I'm glad you done this - needed it as reading the P2W thread we all know and love it reads like the outrage over this is massively widespread when I suspected it's not.

Poll so far confirms this is the case.

It's a crying shame anyone feels strong enough to want to cancel their order though. Definitely not a smart PR move on FR's part as I doubt any Alpha's would be cancelling if they never got this.

I'm sad............

 

[PacalB]

Waiting for something you want certainly is frustrating especially if it appears that some have paid to get to the front of the queue. Also, finding that thing incomplete and broken might be a disappointment, you might reasonably be quite angry about that. But if you could keep returning to it and not become angry but instead report your problems calmly to the people that could fix them. So that those who had shown patience by waiting longer were not disappointed, that might be considered a worthwhile thing to do.

Wait a minute, wait a minute ... if it wasn't for these very same people jumping this so called queue by backing the KS there wouldn't even be a game.

 

[warbaby2]

Wait a minute, wait a minute ... if it wasn't for these very same people jumping this so called queue by backing the KS there wouldn't even be a game.

Boggles your mind, hu?

Seriously though... I think that people are misinterpreting the whole concept of a kickstarter time and time again... not only here, but in general... that may be the "fault" of the concept itself, or maybe not.

 

[Cmdr Eagleboy]

No, you didn't pay, you pledged. No, you didn't pay to get FIRST in a line. You pledged and one of REWARDS was to get access to certain level of testing and/or copy of the game.

People preordered game with beta/alpha access paid for it as customers, yeah, but doesn't say anything about queue or order how beta gets delivered. Also they delivery date is listed as 2014, after alpha/premium beta.

But I won't tell you have you must feel, it is your money, your decision, if you want to get refund, go ahead. I can only suggest on upgrading, and that would be no - because alpha is still very broken, and I don't see thing improving till last phase.

 

[Theodrid]

Wait a minute, wait a minute ... if it wasn't for these very same people jumping this so called queue by backing the KS there wouldn't even be a game.

You could make the argument that there 'would not be a game' without the Premium Beta, Standard Beta and Gamma backers too.

 

[nats]

I cant believe some people actually voted on this poll.

 

[PacalB]

You could make the argument that there 'would not be a game' without the Premium Beta, Standard Beta and Gamma backers too.

Which all also get perks of some sort.

 

[warbaby2]

Which all also get perks of some sort.

True dat...

 

[KING5TON]

I can't believe people are still posting that "The game wouldn't be made without the Alpha backers" and "You didn't pay to get Premium beta, you only backed the game".
The game wouldn't be made without all the backers, get off your high horse.
People that pledged at the level of premium beta should expect to get access to the premium beta when it's available. It did not say "Access to the Premium beta after the Alpha backers have played with it for a bit". People have a right to feel aggrieved by this. Your constant attempts to spin the recent newsletter announcement as something other than it is are starting to become ridiculous. Try having some empathy for people, put yourself in their shoes and imagine how you'd feel if people who pledged £201 or more got preferential treatment over your pledge rewards and FD used your pledge rewards to eek out more money.

 

[Theodrid]

Largely agree Kingston, this has already been eluded to so I will keep it brief :-

If it was so, so obvious that first beta was to be alpha tested by just the alphas first why weren't any of you alphas kind enough to point it out before the recent newsletter dropped?

 

[jabokai]

I cant believe some people actually voted on this poll.

I spoiled my ballot by voting "I'm an FD employee" when I'm not. It is a terrible poll.

 

[ToadMan]

It did not say "Access to the Premium beta after the Alpha backers have played with it for a bit". People have a right to feel aggrieved by this. Your constant attempts to spin the recent newsletter announcement as something other than it is are starting to become ridiculous. Try having some empathy for people, put yourself in their shoes and imagine how you'd feel if people who pledged £201 or more got preferential treatment over your pledge rewards and FD used your pledge rewards to eek out more money.

It also didn't say you'd get access to the beta before anyone else.

Alpha backers aren't the first to access new alpha releases - it gets tested internally first to try and find major bugs. It is sensible development practice to do that. In the same way, FD have chosen the sensible option of testing releases with a smaller group first throughout the beta process. This is a rational and sensible decision. It amazes me that there are people who feel this is unacceptable.

If there was a £201 tier, then each individual would have to decide whether they wanted to pay that for the perceived value returned.

It's the same for beta backers - they can access the alpha right now, simply pay the cash. You don't think it's worth it? Don't pay. You don't have £200? Don't pay. You think you were misled by FD? Ask for a refund. You don't like what ED is becoming? Ask for a refund.

The options are pretty straightforward.

Toad.

 

[Theodrid]

It also didn't say you'd get access to the beta before anyone else.

Alpha backers aren't the first to access new alpha releases - it gets tested internally first to try and find major bugs. It is sensible development practice to do that. In the same way, FD have chosen the sensible option of testing releases with a smaller group first throughout the beta process. This is a rational and sensible decision. It amazes me that there are people who feel this is unacceptable.

If there was a £201 tier, then each individual would have to decide whether they wanted to pay that for the perceived value returned.

It's the same for beta backers - they can access the alpha right now, simply pay the cash. You don't think it's worth it? Don't pay. You don't have £200? Don't pay. You think you were misled by FD? Ask for a refund. You don't like what ED is becoming? Ask for a refund.

The options are pretty straightforward.

Toad.

I'll ask again then Toad :-

If it was so, so obvious that first beta was to be alpha tested by just the alphas first why weren't any of you alphas kind enough to point it out before the recent newsletter dropped?

Kind of incredible that in all the threads and posts before the recent newsletter dropped, when everything from Space Station layouts to the colour of DB's underwear were being discussed that not one, not once was this mentioned. Or is your position that it was 'so obvious it didn't need mentioning', if so, that did not stop any other number of obvious points being discussed on these boards.

 

[Riandor]

People that pledged at the level of premium beta should expect to get access to the premium beta when it's available. It did not say "Access to the Premium beta after the Alpha backers have played with it for a bit".

You get access to the Premium beta... where's the problem? Where does it state that you don't? Where does it state you would be guaranteed access the moment the build was finished?

It's semantics really and whilst I don't doubt some people feel slightly aggrieved at it, the fact is you will get access the moment FD deem it is ready enough for you to access.

It's like premium boarding at an airport. Those with more miles or better tickets get in first, but we all board and we all get to the same destination.

Appreciate you don't have to like it, but it all feels a bit mountains out of mole hills to me personally.

 

[Riandor]

I'll ask again then Toad :-

If it was so, so obvious that first beta was to be alpha tested by just the alphas first why weren't any of you alphas kind enough to point it out before the recent newsletter dropped?

Kind of incredible that in all the threads and posts before the recent newsletter dropped, when everything from Space Station layouts to the colour of DB's underwear were being discussed that not one, not once was this mentioned. Or is your position that it was 'so obvious it didn't need mentioning', if so, that did not stop any other number of obvious points being discussed on these boards.

Because no one knew about it.
It is in a way a sensible approach, but the fact was it wasn't sold like that in the newsletter, it was very much sold as a perk if you paid more money.

That fact cannot be denied, even by the likes of me.