[RANT]To all the Traders(and some others)

[Fedhman Kassad]

Indeed! This thread is becoming sureal!

Nah. In single player u rnt playing simulation. U r playing a fantasy universe that affects only u (from Your perspective). I have nothing against it. It's YOUR GAME. But it does affect me (anyway). Thru online market. I dont like it. No simulation indeed. Abandoning the thread. Maybe ill get back to it when non-nostalgic ppl will jump the train. Good luck and fly safe.

 

[Ving]

Pointless rant is pointless.

 

[iroker]

But u cant call it SIMULATION because it doesnt include others, U can call it single player AI universe.

Sorry, but David Braben has another opinion on that.
Guess now, whose opinion counts most?

 

[Shadehawk]

Hmmm, it's not a sandpit though is it? It's more like the nursery itself with lots of soft corners and padding. Everyone has to share and play nice. It's not a bad thing, just not what I was hoping for. I prefer competition, it seems I'm at odds with a lot of the ED population who are more of the "everyone's a winner" school of thought.

But based on the many many threads about how Open Online is the only true way to play, it should be packed to the rafters come launch. What does it matter if someone want to play Solo?

 

[Korben Dallas]

IMHO simulation has something to do with how a certain game belongs in the "console" department like BF3 and somthing that s-i-m-u-l-a-t-e-s real life or life as it would be in the 33rd Century, viewed through the eyes of someone of the 21 st century. Or for example compare BF/MOH to the Arma series and you see where I am going.

Falcon 4 vs Jetfighter.
KA-52 Black shark vs team alligator

25 Years ago, doctors would have put you in a special hospital should you have mentioned smartphones or how they work today, and 100 years ago, you would also land in an institution by saying that "this century a man would walk on the moon". What I mean is, we don't need teleporters in the elite universe, that is star trek stuff, but who knows they will not be invented and used sometime in the year 2600?

Simulation has nothing to do about the fact that people do or do not involve themselves in PvP. The word you are looking for is Online and maybe Interactive, but not simulation.

 

[Beugnen]

If You take away the PvP aspect from the game then the game will not be really a simulation

A simulator is still a simulation even if it is single-player.

FSX is single player and is a simulator
X-Plane is single player and is a simulator
I-WAR2 is single player and is a simulator
SimCity is single player and is a simulator
DCS A-10C is still a simulator in single player mode
Subwar 2050 is a simulator
Apache is a simulator

Stop being arrogant and ignorant.

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

Nah. In single player u rnt playing simulation. U r playing a fantasy universe that affects only u (from Your perspective). I have nothing against it. It's YOUR GAME. But it does affect me (anyway). Thru online market. I dont like it. No simulation indeed. Abandoning the thread. Maybe ill get back to it when non-nostalgic ppl will jump the train. Good luck and fly safe.

what utter nonsense!.

BTW I am curious..... do you realise that without these nostalgic people who bought into the game BECAUSE of the the 1984 game that you like to look down upon, there would not be any Elite Dangerous 2014?

back in the day it was actually quite a tight call as to whether the game would reach its KS target, and you can bet damn straight a huge %age of the backers were the 1984ers, and certainly the people who splashed the most cash would have been..

 

[Shadehawk]

Nah. In single player u rnt playing simulation. U r playing a fantasy universe that affects only u (from Your perspective). I have nothing against it. It's YOUR GAME. But it does affect me (anyway). Thru online market. I dont like it. No simulation indeed. Abandoning the thread. Maybe ill get back to it when non-nostalgic ppl will jump the train. Good luck and fly safe.

Wow! You really found out a lot about me from one statement! Anyway, won't your gameplay be affected equally from everyone who play online either open or solo? I really don't understand what the issue is here. If you don't want anyone affecting your gameplay, you could always play offline (if that is included at launch).

 

[Fedhman Kassad]

IMHO simulation has something to do with how a certain game belongs in the "console" department like BF3 and somthing that s-i-m-u-l-a-t-e-s real life or life as it would be in the 33rd Century, viewed through the eyes of someone of the 21 st century. Or for example compare BF/MOH to the Arma series and you see where I am going.

Falcon 4 vs Jetfighter.
KA-52 Black shark vs team alligator

25 Years ago, doctors would have put you in a special hospital should you have mentioned smartphones or how they work today, and 100 years ago, you would also land in an institution by saying that "this century a man would walk on the moon". What I mean is, we don't need teleporters in the elite universe, that is star trek stuff, but who knows they will not be invented and used sometime in the year 2600?

Simulation has nothing to do about the fact that people do or do not involve themselves in PvP. The word you are looking for is Online and maybe Interactive, but not simulation.

Yes. Whole Galaxy inhabitated by factions where You are the only human is an ultimate simulation. /sarcasm

 

[Fedhman Kassad]

A simulator is still a simulation even if it is single-player.

FSX is single player and is a simulator
X-Plane is single player and is a simulator
I-WAR2 is single player and is a simulator
SimCity is single player and is a simulator
DCS A-10C is still a simulator in single player mode
Subwar 2050 is a simulator
Apache is a simulator

Stop being arrogant and ignorant.

You dont take into account the multiplayer market effects. Solo Online isnt Single Player. Its Online. It affects other players. How hard to understand is this? ILL PAINT IT FOR YOU: SOLO ONLINE

 

[Joe Spivey]

Wow! You really found out a lot about me from one statement! Anyway, won't your gameplay be affected equally from everyone who play online either open or solo? I really don't understand what the issue is here. If you don't want anyone affecting your gameplay, you could always play offline (if that is included at launch).

It's really perfectly simple once you blow away the smokescreen about what makes a 'simulation'. The crux of the matter is just that he wants everyone in 'online all' so he can go around clubbing baby seals to feed his own ego that he is a might hunter.

 

[Ozric]

Wow I can't believe how many posts this thread has now, I read it this morning and thought it would stop after 6 or so comments.

Stop feeding the flames people just let it wither

 

[Robert Maynard]

But u cant call it SIMULATION because it doesnt include others, U can call it single player AI universe.

Is it a simulation?

I'm not a programmer or engineer (I'm a designer) and I never worked on the original games and they're massively old. What worked and was perceived as good then doesn't necessarily apply any more so it's up to us to reassess what works and what doesn't in the now. Often what worked then still works but not always. I've said many times here on the forums that total realism really isn't what any of us (the design team) are going for. Elite is a romanticised science fiction and other than the realistically populated and scaled galaxy and star systems everything else is designed to provide a good game. If it happens that it comes out seeming plausible or even realistic then that is a bonus. Also if we can use fiction to make a mechanic more realistic or plausible then we will. I get slightly annoyed when I see fans declare that we're trying to make the most realistic space game possible because we really aren't (Kerbal Space Program is probably the most realistic I've played). If I had my way I'd have scaled the universe and star systems down to a comic scale (something akin to the way No Man's Sky is doing it) but obviously that wasn't a decision the design team got to make but it's something we've had to deal with (and meant that super cruise became a thing as it was needed to ensure there was a point to the massive scale of everything; all that realistic space would be wasted if it were just boxes and corridors ). Look at any mechanic or feature in our game and it quickly becomes apparent that any veneer of realism is paper thin and doesn't stand up to close scrutiny but the game play is pretty good for it (in my opinion).

 

[Krait_79]

Nah. In single player u rnt playing simulation. U r playing a fantasy universe that affects only u (from Your perspective). I have nothing against it. It's YOUR GAME. But it does affect me (anyway). Thru online market. I dont like it. No simulation indeed. Abandoning the thread. Maybe ill get back to it when non-nostalgic ppl will jump the train. Good luck and fly safe.

Market prices are designed to fluctuate regardless. It's irrelevant whether someone is in open play or not as prices will change anyway. As for open play being harder that's debatable. In some situations yes and in others no. For example in open play you can buddy up. In solo you are on your own.

 

[iroker]

Wow I can't believe how many posts this thread has now, I read it this morning and thought it would stop after 6 or so comments.

Stop feeding the flames people just let it wither

yes i think ignoring is better.

 

[Herne]

I didn't even try solo play until recently, but until all group net code can give me the same reliable experience solo online gives me, i'll be staying here.

No laggy jumps to SC, yay !!!

 

[Fedhman Kassad]

It's really perfectly simple once you blow away the smokescreen about what makes a 'simulation'. The crux of the matter is just that he wants everyone in 'online all' so he can go around clubbing baby seals to feed his own ego that he is a might hunter.

I just stated 2 things. Solo isnt a simulation and Solo Online is easy mode comparing to Open Online. Still waiting for evidence that i am wrong.

 

[philux]

I hear you OP. Sadly, FDEV intentionally sabotaged the idea of a consistent online world by bringing in loophole mechanisms, private/solo group and ignore list, to completely evade any hostile player threat; thus, everybody can cherry-pick his PvP moments and stay in his private bubble otherwise to build up assets. Ultimately, online multiplayer in ED is just a gimmick but nothing which would hold water in terms of competitiveness or consistency.

 

[Vasious]

I, a trade/non combat leaning player, vow to play in Ironman Open in Gamma/release, and Open before then.

If you or any other Player, shoots me down, we will both agree, we were both playing the game.

**edit**

As an aside, all this debate on simulation and realism, but reading the OP I think they mean the background simulation

 

[Niewinter]

yup i effect your game when i am solo... and so are you effecting mine ( market prices) so now i demand offline solo to be the only "real" way to play E if you whant to know why read your own posts.

You will hardly be interdicted in Open by other players. If you want pvp you will have to go to a recource extraction o.e. side to meet others.

pvp in front of a station (your example) is not such a good idea once im in the no fire zone i don´t realy care anymore startion will handle it. And if i trade high value goods i have all power to shields. but i don´t trade....