No, you're closing down your brain, probably because denial is more comfortable and less scary.
General / Off-Topic Recycle or Die! (the elite environmental thread)
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You still don't know what climate is after WeComeInPeace's explanation and your own citation? There's no recovery for you then.
Check out post #3154, Frillop. The quote is directly from the article explaining it.Says who (other than jasonbarron)? Never heard this nonsense before and I'm totally up to be redirected to one of your favorite conspiracy sides now. Bring it!
Edit: Nah Gregg, I totally get it. Totally. You want to lend the science more credence than it deserves. That's 100% completely gotten my friend, and has been so for a very long time.
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That link of yours says exactly what we're trying to tell you.
Without science, you would have no car, no GPS, not computer, no antibiotics, no electricity, no central heating, and no food for 7.8 billion humans. I think you get the picture. Science deserves a lot more credence than you are willing to give it
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Yep, that's exactly the same link I already supplied probably five times now, along with this quote taken directly from the paper, near the top:The confusion might come from 2 different interpretations of the word 'climate'. The difference is quite well explained here:
We're talking about "EARTH CLIMATE" here, Jason!
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Quick facts, basic science, and information about snow, ice, and why the cryosphere matters The cryosphere includes all of the snow and ice-covered regions across the planet.nsidc.org
"What is the difference between weather and climate?
Weather is the day-to-day state of the atmosphere, and its short-term variation in minutes to weeks. People generally think of weather as the combination of temperature, humidity, precipitation, cloudiness, visibility, and wind. We talk about changes in weather in terms of the near future: "How hot is it right now?" "What will it be like today?" and "Will we get a snowstorm this week?"
Climate is the weather of a place averaged over a period of time, often 30 years. Climate information includes the statistical weather information that tells us about the normal weather, as well as the range of weather extremes for a location."
I'll kindly direct your attention to the emboldened parts.
@WeComeInPeace, yes, I'm aware of the benefits of science to mankind. Ironically, probably more so than you.
Ah, another case of "Your sources aren't good enough, mine are the better ones!" I love this game.Yep, sorry. This is the right one:
What Is Climate Change?
Climate change describes a change in the average conditions in a region over a long period of time.www.nasa.gov
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Went to one of the big Christmas parties for the Doctors last night, in the hybrid car. Had to borrow clothes to go to the wedding before that, so was a bit overdressed. Most of my closet is empty nowadays.
A lot of the luxury vehicles parked outside were all hybrids too. The Christmas lights were all LEDs this year, and lots of the crowd were avoiding meat. There's a sense that things have changed.
Last time, it was when cigarettes disappeared. But that was due to legislation. This is more of a quiet growing realization, even among the oldest ones. The behaviour is being updated.
A lot of the luxury vehicles parked outside were all hybrids too. The Christmas lights were all LEDs this year, and lots of the crowd were avoiding meat. There's a sense that things have changed.
Last time, it was when cigarettes disappeared. But that was due to legislation. This is more of a quiet growing realization, even among the oldest ones. The behaviour is being updated.
There are several tipping points. One is methane bound in ice (clathrate hydrates). That's a nasty one, because methane is a much more potent greenhouse gas than CO2, and there's a lot of it. Release of the methane would cause a huge jump in the global average temperature. Some say 10 deg C, but the timescale is uncertain. The data say that methane is being released at higher rates than predicted by the models.
Since this is a positive feedback loop, only small inaccuracies in the model could result in huge changes to the outcome. Not to the general understanding of the mechanism, it is melting, but to the timescale of the release and it's influence on the global average temperature on short timescales.
Another positive feedback loop is the Albedo effect. Ice looks white because it reflects more light sunlight. Oceans look dark because they absorb light (energy). The more ice that melts the larger the area absorbing energy. Quite beautiful that the ice melts at accelerating rates if you watch the planet from a spaceship, but pretty alarming at the surface.
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Albedo refers to reflectance.
Once the energy does not bounce off, it gets shifted to a temperature rise, so transformed to heat is the mechanic.
that it is a self accelerating feedback loop: the less ice is left the faster it melts because more energy is absorbed by the water instead of reflected away.
Wow, all the rich, overpaid doctors' luxury cars at the big Christmas party were all hybrids??? Holy smokes, those people sound like they're really doing their part to avert a climate crisis!
This is a valid analogy. But your optimism is probably misplaced.
I tried something similar with sand grains and a sand dune analogy before, but theres a real problem for them to make the mental transition to large scale phase shifts.
The neural net is lacking a couple layers. Can't process big picture.
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Eg- Having a firearm is great! I can defend myself! Vs What happens when 300 million people get guns?
Eg- Vaccinate? Why when the personal risk is small? Vs What happens when no one is vaccinated?
Hence- Weather I understand, why isn't Climate exactly the same as lots of Weather? It should be even MORE unpredictable!
Maybe cow and stampede would work? Maybe car and traffic?
IDK.
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im curious did you watch that video from the church militant off youtube??
i encourage you to take the time to watch it. its worth watching purely for understanding the ever evolving methods of deception employed in the Climate change movement, and the very people who are behind it!!
(Going to regret this.)
Ok, what are you referencing here?
And... "church militant"? What church is that? Why do they have "militants"? And are they after the X-Men?
It's organic carbon trapped in the ice. The CO2 comes when it starts to decompose. It's a potentially serious, but complex issue. It's not a balloon of CO2 or Methane trapped under some ice plug.
There is really no point for us to discuss it. The simple undeniable facts are more than enough to see that we should reduce global emissions of CO2.
Direct consequence of global warming related to the human activities.
the Victoria Falls on the border between the Zimbabwe and the Zambia.
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the Victoria Falls on the border between the Zimbabwe and the Zambia.
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with the extremist right wing hate propagande,... militant church, ....yeah, of course, what else! Pfff,,,For good measure, this for example are reliable and trustworthy sources to refer to instead.
climateactiontracker.org
www.climatesciencewatch.org
Now I shall leave you at your continuous engagement with Mr. Barron who has given more than enough evidence to understand what purpose his postings serve.
The Consortium
climateactiontracker.org
Climate Science Policy Watch - Government Accountability Project
Climate Science & Policy Watch Promoting Scientific Integrity in the use of climate science in government Climate Science & Policy Watch has moved! Welcome to our new site.
www.climatesciencewatch.org
Now I shall leave you at your continuous engagement with Mr. Barron who has given more than enough evidence to understand what purpose his postings serve.
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