Not by gating off and repurposing vanilla gameplay. Aka "the cheap way".
Reduce the grind
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I wonder if, were FD to make the Engineering process less tedious, would you look back at this in hindsight and think the same thing.
Combat PvE, hauling, mining, general travel and exploring are all activities that I've had significantly enhanced in some way via engineering.
Same type? Sure. Same variety of viable builds ships and methods? No. Doeverythingvette and to a lesser extent Exploravette, Transportvette, and Gatherervette builds are heavily enabled by defensive engineering to reduce the need for slots dedicated to defense, FSD engineering, Powerplant engineering in the case of high power usage mods, and just about everything ever benefits from engineered power distributors and thrusters.
My current combat salvager vette is functionally a very different beast than an unmodified a-rated vette.
And that's after the rank grind to unlock the Vette to begin with.
Not really at least in my case. If I never have to go surface prospecting again I won't. I haven't done hauling missions but maybe twice since my rank grind was done and that was because of trying to get other missions to spawn or be accessible because I was trying to grind rep for a minor faction for an engineer.
No, engineering destroyed the meaning of credits by making credits meaningless as a means to get the most out of a given ship.
If the thing one is complaining about is the grind in a multiplayer space sandbox game in which you're a spaceship pilot, and not that it's a multiplayer space sandbox game in which you're a spaceship pilot, the reason you don't "play some arena shooters" should be obvious. You aren't looking for arena shooters. You're looking for "multiplayer space sandbox game in which you're a spaceship pilot" that isn't as grindy.
This is the problem that arises from starting with an incorrect premise, you wind up at a series of useless solutions. No, people don't want to play an astrophysics sim or a shooter instead of ED when they ask for less grind in ED. And no, they aren't looking for new gameplay in their request to have the grind reduced as such (though why someone would be against expanding gameplay options in a sandbox game is beyond me) but are typically wanting to get to their chosen gameplay sooner or stay there longer. Maybe they want to shoot things rather than trade, or explore rather than mine for upgrades, or race with the best engines rather than jump 5kly for the sake of an unlock.
Given it some serious consideration, and I don't think that I would.
I can appreciate your consideration. Different strokes for different folks, I guess.
Grind? You are calling gathering t2 materials as a grind? Im sorry no offense but do you actually know how to use collector limpets? What do you do in Elite Dangerous that you have trouble gathering tier2 materials? Do you actually know that you can go to high grade emissions and exchange in material trader tier5 mats to insane amount of tier2?
Im sorry but this is hilarious. How people like you play this game that you are irritated by gathering low tier materials. What do you do in Elite because I really cant believe that you just called gathering t2 mats as a grind.
HouseOfDerp -> Your respond about the same gameplay is ridiculous. It doesnt matter what ship you are flying if you dont like tasks you have to do to aquire materials.
"Combat PvE, hauling, mining, general travel and exploring are all activities that I've had significantly enhanced in some way via engineering. "
So you just play the game. You are not grinding. You play the game because everything you mentioned will give you materials. So whats the deal? Why are you people so frustrated and crying like little babies?
Im sorry guys Im out from this thread. You have no idea what grind means and I feel some of you actually dont enjoy playing Elite Dangerous if you are so irritated from "grinding". People who struggle to acquire materials or gain credits right now will never be satisfied. You just want to transform Elite Dangerous into Space Engine.
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Precisely, so why the rest is so hard for you to grasp is something I find baffling.
I'm not sure if you didn't read it or just... I'm not sure what the other possibilities are that aren't the result of intentional ignorance.
Also, no, not everything gives mats. Hauling for trade outside of missions, Combat without stopping to scoop (which I prefer, especially in ships with jack all internal space, looks at mamba), exploration as a whole and travel don't actually give anything but the incidental data from ship scans. Feel free to see how far that gets you. Mining gets you small amounts of random low level materials for horrendous trade rates and no ability to target what you want. I mean, I get it, some of you let the mission system guide your play to the point where you've seemingly forgot that you can play the game and never look at it. Consider this a reminder of that.
If you don't read the thread are you really participating to begin with?
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Indeed
Well, sure I can grind for some stupid materials. But that is not the point. The point is that I dont want to grind for stuff to do that I could do perfectly fine without having to engineer in the bloody first place. Like playing core game stuff like CZ. I'm not hamsterwheeling this crap just to play what was vanilla content before.
Here - in easy:
Before: Gamplay iz accessible. Vanilla
Now: Gameplay iz gated. Need engineers.
It's like when they raised gameplay requirements in Destiny 2 for base game content so you had to buy expansion to continue with base game content. It's not hard to understand.
NMS VR is here that is true. The environments, though fantasy, are interesting. When I land on a planet, I know there will be animals to scan and stuff to collect. When I'm in a system, there may be a frozen planet, a hot planet and a dead planet, They will all have interesting things to see and I can build bases on all of them. When I land on a planet in ED, I know it will look exactly the same as every other one I land on, nothing interesting here, get back in your ship, well let's just say drive your rover back to your ship. I can get out of my ship in NMS and walk around. They say space legs are coming to ED, I'll believe it when I see it and when it does, I'll come back to it. There are a few games in the genre that have space legs FDev. It isn't that difficult to do. Don't get me wrong, I had 1387 hrs in ED before they made the changes to mining and discovery. Since then I have come back only briefly, checked out the changes, hated them, left and haven't returned, leaving all my beautiful ships in the hangars. ED used to be fun for me. It isn't any more.
Honestly, FDev, this is what you need to do. Make your changes selectable options. Want the new way, go into options and select it. Want the old way, select it, same for mining and discovery. I wouldn't mind engineering if I had the choice to mine the way I wanted. I can play in solo mode, I just can't play the way I want to in solo mode. I can have my private group for my friends, but they can't play the old way either. The way we loved playing. The way discovery is now, totally breaks my immersion and in VR I am all about immersion.
Honestly, FDev, this is what you need to do. Make your changes selectable options. Want the new way, go into options and select it. Want the old way, select it, same for mining and discovery. I wouldn't mind engineering if I had the choice to mine the way I wanted. I can play in solo mode, I just can't play the way I want to in solo mode. I can have my private group for my friends, but they can't play the old way either. The way we loved playing. The way discovery is now, totally breaks my immersion and in VR I am all about immersion.
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I suggest you read the exchange again.
In response to my statement "Without an engineered ship you cannot do combat zones", you responded "Yeah tou can. Don't be ridiculouss."
Engineering to G3 is still engineering. I never said you have to engineer to G5. I'm glad you have just agreed that engineering is a requisite to engage in content.
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So, like I said, you can't do combat zones without an engineered ship.
Here's a Fleet Carrier.
Git grinding.
Honestly, I don't know where the game is now with:
'Grinding'.
Getting credits.
PvP combat.
Game progression.
It all seems a bit of a jumble.
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I agree, and I'd like to mention that there are low, medium and high intensity CZs.
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and little bit engineering doesnt require more than one hour of playing the game and most of required mats you gather during bounty hunting(yes you can bounty hunt easy targets without engineering) etc. So thats why I call you and others here whiners because you whine about things that arent problematic. You try to find arguments like you cant fight in CZ because of grind which is bulllshit. Tier2-3 engineering doesnt require grind. It requires playing the game for one hour. Only Grade 5 require more effort but still with material traders you can easily get what you need. Besides you dont need Grade 5 engineering unless you PVP and I doubt any of you do PvP based on how hard it is for you gathering tier 3 mats except ganking harmless sidewinders in eravate.
Nonsense, you need to unlock engineers and gather all the mats. That's at least a couple of weeks just to unlock basic gameplay again.
Ok... How about you put your money where your mouth is? Clear your save (post pics or videos as evidence, incl a timestamp), then post a picture of the best CZ loadout you can muster in less than an hour. Bonus points if you can post a loadout for a ship that can handle Thargoids an hour after that.
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So for the third time, you can't do combat zones without engineering. Childish insults and swearing doesn't change the fact you're arguing against a statement you continue to agree with. It's a very odd position. Your inability to maintain civil discourse perhaps betrays how insecure your view is. You're also demonstrably wrong that, for eg, g3 engineering is one hour. It takes MUCH longer just to unlock the engineers alone.
You sound a bit mad and angry. It's just a game mate. It's not my fault you got confused in presenting your own argument.