Resort Expansion Pack

[Tony KC]

I am just gonna say I would probably enjoy this addition, and no I don't think making a facade of a Hotel with a Chief Beef on it is the same, any more than renaming a Tea Cups type ride "Super Coaster" makes that a coaster. It is not the first expansion I would want. No, I would like a Miniature Golf expansion first (assuming Dark Rides are coming in the final vanilla game), as that is something a bit more fun to design, could have interesting first person implementation, and it is something a lot of parks have inside the gates. And then a Water Park expansion after that...

But as an expansion later down the road, I would enjoy it. Though I am not sure it necessarily needs to be on the same map. And if it never happened, I wouldn't feel put out. This is the only post I will make here. I won't get involved in drama.

 

[Angelis1]

[...] You came across as awfully dismissive, I'm spending my time here having a conversation about why we should or shouldn't have this feature (at least in the near future) and it's not very polite to not so subtly dismiss my post as not good reasoning because you don't agree with it.

Wow !!! Okay, so now it's time for insults. Perfect [big grin]

Apparently it is normal to be pessimistic and selfish by being against a suggestion for the simple reason of not being interested in it.
I'm tired ! If you are scared by this feature, too bad for you !!!

Maybe my vision of the game is different, but ... I'm done.
Bye bye this thread.

 

[breezerHOG1]

Angelis you never answer ANY of my questions [blah]

 

[Spanky]

A few recommendations for those who want to manage hotels

Maybe you havn't noticed that the name of the Game is "Coaster Planet" and not "Resort Tycoon". [happy]

 

[Angelis1]

A few recommendations for those who want to manage hotels
http://i63.tinypic.com/r9er6p.jpg
Maybe you havn't noticed that the name of the Game is "Coaster Planet" and not "Resort Tycoon". [happy]

I do not know if you realize how your argument makes no sense. [bored]
Just to help you understand :

And for those who want to put restaurants
Maybe you haven't noticed that the name of the game is "Planet Coaster" and not "Restaurants Tycoon"

And for those who want to put transports rides
Maybe you haven't noticed that the name of the game is "Planet Coaster" and not "Transport Tycoon"

See ? [rolleyes]
Irrelevant !

I remember one time at the beginning of the forum, where everyone could come to offer a suggestion, without anyone saying "I do not like that idea, so it's a bad idea" using pathetic arguments like that, or irony, just to break the desire to be innovative. Seriously, this lack of respect for those who propose innovative ideas makes me want to vomit.
You should be ashamed !!!

 

[Spanky]

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[Angelis1]

Angelis, looks like you overestimate yourself. To make a interview with the CEO of Frontier didn't mean, that any of your ideas is innovative.

1) I do not see the connection with the interview, and I don't know how I "overstimate myself" here. This personal attack is beside the point.
2) It is not necessarily "my" idea but something that is frequently suggested (and not just on the official forums)
3) And yes, it's innovative, since we never saw a "resort/hotels" system allowing players to build IN but also OUT of the park(s) they make, in a theme park simulation game. This would be a first.

Maybe you havn't understand the little irony in my message. Personally I would like to see animals in PC like in the Wild Add-on for RCT3, but i could also play Zoo Tycoon. There are currently much more important to do for the game as a resort or a Zoo.

Yeah, I understand perfectly the irony. But it's not nice and unnecessary for those who like this suggestion.

And believe me, I'm sure we will NOT see any receptions for Hotel guests in the game, maybe something similar as a generic Park Information.

Since it's frequently suggested, we will.

The question is : made by Frontier or made by modders.
I prefer the quality of work of the official developers.

 

[breezerHOG1]

I remember one time at the beginning of the forum, where everyone could come to offer a suggestion, without anyone saying "I do not like that idea, so it's a bad idea" using pathetic arguments like that, or irony, just to break the desire to be innovative. Seriously, this lack of respect for those who propose innovative ideas makes me want to vomit.
You should be ashamed !!!

innovative ideas huh? You need to back your ideas up with logic. Give reasons why this feature is important. Claiming "many fans want this" is not supportive evidence to back up your claim. Do you understand how an argument works? Arguments are not meant to be disrespectful, but when a person fails to comprehend logic, they feel belittled. Yet, I am simply looking for answers to questions you clearly can't figure out.

You know, there are "food stalls" but I have not seen fully realized "restaurants" in PC yet... at least not yet. And even if we can make restaurants, we don't have to worry about staff or food quality.

What is it you expect to get from hotels? You still haven't answered my previous questions about how long a guests will sleep in bed and how it differs from a bench, so I'll expect another non-response from you. Or anybody else for that matter, since people who "request features" clearly don't understand how to back them up with reasoning aside from "real parks have it!" you need to remember this is still just a video game. Everytime I see people say "its not a game its a simulator" hrmmm nevermind...

 

[Scott1]

Angelis, there are "food shops" but I have not seen fully realized "restaruants" in PC yet... at least not yet. And even if we can make restaurants, we don't have to worry about staff or food quality.

What is it you expect to get from hotels? You still haven't answered my previous questions about how long a guests will sleep in bed and how it differs from a bench, so I'll expect another non-response from you.

Cant speak for Angelis, but I think guests should go to the hotel for maybe an in game day or something and feel completely rested without any hint of bad mood from previous days. Maybe even come back into the park with more money.

About food quality, I haven't actually got the game myself but can't you get cheap burgers and premium burgers etc? That's quality isn't it? I think hotels should be simplified to things like that, I don't want any deep simulation but I would love to build resorts, and as resorts are a common part of theme parks which this game is about, I don't think the idea should be disregarded for a future expansion pack just because one or two people don't like the idea of it. Hotel simulation games would be far more in depth, it would just be like RCT Wild but a hotel expansion instead which I don't see a problem with? Hotels are far more associated with them parks than zoos

 

[Coastin' Dave]

innovative ideas huh? You need to back your ideas up with logic. Give reasons why this feature is important. Claiming "many fans want this" is not supportive evidence to back up your claim. Do you understand how an argument works? Arguments are not meant to be disrespectful, but when a person fails to comprehend logic, they feel belittled. Yet, I am simply looking for answers to questions you clearly can't figure out.

You know, there are "food stalls" but I have not seen fully realized "restaurants" in PC yet... at least not yet. And even if we can make restaurants, we don't have to worry about staff or food quality.

What is it you expect to get from hotels? You still haven't answered my previous questions about how long a guests will sleep in bed and how it differs from a bench, so I'll expect another non-response from you. Or anybody else for that matter, since people who "request features" clearly don't understand how to back them up with reasoning aside from "real parks have it!" you need to remember this is still just a video game. Everytime I see people say "its not a game its a simulator" hrmmm nevermind...

A video game with the slogan "simulation evolved." We've never had a proper theme park simulator so this is the first program to really show promise in that regard. People can request features that are in real theme parks without needing to argue the case for their importance. That's the point of a suggestion. If you buy a product, you can request whatever you like without needing to argue the case. Giving a defense of an idea is often helpful to ensuring that it will be considered, but for a mere suggestion, by no means is an argument for the suggestion required on behalf of the one suggesting the idea...

Also, if a feature is prevalent in real theme parks, as are hotels on property, then is that not enough evidence to suggest that it is a feature of real theme parks?

 

[breezerHOG1]

I applaud Scott for actually attempting to answer my question instead of dodging it.
Bravo sir [up]


By the way guys, does the "SLOGAN" for this game is "simulation EVOLVED" really make you feel like you are in a simulator? And would YOU want to use a simulator for sleeping in a hotel?? from a gaming perspective, or a simulation one... Why would a guest (or better yet, why would YOU, as a guest) choose to pay for a bed instead of just using a bench?

If i had a choice between saving CPU usage and having guests leave the park, I would choose to not have "sleeping" guests wasting CPU usage... now if we had super computers then maybe my argument would be invalid

I just feel like there are many other more fun aspects the devs could put more time into, and as others have said many times, hotels can easily be added with UGC or mods. Its not something I want to see become a big part of "management"

 

[Abletudu]

As it was suggested earlier, this could be added later as an expansion pack allowing you to choose if you want to buy it or not to get the full resort type management experience.

 

[breezerHOG1]

That limits the fan market, lowers sales, and can cause problems (look at Wild expansion)

If PC had tons of DLC i really hope it doesn't cause compatibility issues when trying to load other players parks. Hopefully Frontier can handle it, but imo there are better things they can add

lets just stick to the main game for now?

 

[Abletudu]

To paraphrase Abraham Lincoln, " You can please all of the people some of the time, some of the people all of the time, but you can't please all of the people all of the time!"

 

[breezerHOG1]

and to quote Bitter Jeweler [big grin]

http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net...winning.gif/revision/latest?cb=20140403233726

 

[Abletudu]

There is no winning or losing here, because we all win with a great game in the end no matter what your opinion on ideas or suggestions might be.

 

[breezerHOG1]

Well put parkmaker [yesnod] i agree

I've been reading through the previous pages, and I think lithix has done a very good job of explaining things. Also this quote:

I'm going to have to agree with creaper and Bitter on this one. In my opinion, having hotel buildings is cool (which you can already do)- but it's unnecessary to have them function. As Fletch once mentioned in one of the livestreams - there's such thing as diminishing returns. And my guess is that the effort outweighs the benefit.

In fact, as I said in one of my first replies, I am sure hotels will be added sooner or later [cool]

i just can't see it being that great of a feature strictly from a management perspective. For those that want to build hotels, I don't see why we can't already do that without management needs. Hopefully it will be a simple stall concept rather than a "decorate the bedroom" and extra staff or whatever else people think is necessary. I just don't want 1,000 guests sleeping in a building for half a day or however long you think it would take to be "realistic" enough. It doesn't seem important.

Staircases? just to watch guests go up to a bench for an hour and back down the stairs they go? all day long? yawn bro, sorry lol

 

[Abletudu]

Think of it this way, why do a lot of theme parks have full blown resorts? The reason being so that the guests/peeps/visitors (whatever you wish to call them) will stay around longer and spend more money. Isn't this also the whole point of the management side of a theme park game, to get all the money possible from them? In the old RCT3 game, we had a lot of peeps thinking after riding a couple of rides, "I want to go home."

 

[breezerHOG1]

Actually I was surprised the devs used that term right in the beginning of their first dev diary. The point of the game should not be to "extract every penny out of a guest" I mean, sure its an accurate statement, but a bit blunt. Anyway, to get extra money from a guest, we build ATM's and a sleeping guest is actually NOT spending money... am i right?

guests go home when there wallet is empty. and I am fine with that, that is realistic. It also saves on CPU usage

 

[Abletudu]

Not entirely, he pays for his room, possibly for transportation to and from the hotel (depending on the resort), his meals, tips to the help, room service, laundry/dry cleaning (depending how many days he stays), and usually if he stays longer than just visiting the park for one day ends up buying a lot more souveniers and/or gifts for friends or family.