Modes Restrict or remove PvE from the game, making Open a nicer place

[Roybe]

At the end of the day, it's any murderers choice and right to do what they do. What is lacking is even a semblance of balance of choice and consequence, or of risk and reward. A terrorist organisation should have every ability to exact change on the galaxy around them; however it should not be easy to do so.

On the topic of generalisation, it'd be mighty helpful if people remembered that one's in game choices are just that. No need for players anywhere on the spectrum to resort to armchair psychology. That's gonna get messy and counterproductive before it's started.



ED's networking really, really needs some TLC, but that's an unequivocal benefit to everyone, no questions asked.

There are also a number of changes that could be made to PvP that would improve bounty hunting and playstyles other than murder, but as a general rule they get shot down simply for advocating positive PvP changes. You mention PvP and improvements...stop trying to drag prey to open!




Agreed. It's an awful title, isn't it?



I will drop the urge to paste fifty various gifs showing laughter at the notion PvP players are the histrionic ones, and simply thank you for an honest evaluation.

It is not true at all that all players have an equal input into the game, but at least you're among the first I've seen to confess the game isn't even trying for it.

Everyone has equal input...not everyone is willing to avail themselves equally of the input.

It always seems the PVP crowd does a full court whine session around Christmas every year...and the real problem is these folks don't seem to understand the nature of the game...it's not that the devs aren't trying..it's just that PVP people don't understand the nature of the game and bring their coal, black whines to the fore for their Christmas cheer. The devs do not care about the PVP peoples presents, or presence, and the PVP people, generally, have gotten the message...they have left the game for better PVP pastures.

You will to...if you haven't yet. PVP in this game is not fun, productive, or in any way adds to anyone's enjoyment of the game itself...otherwise the PVP people wouldn't come around every Christmas like the ghosts of ens...trying to enlighten the Scrooge-like devs...only to have Scrooge, unchanged, keep repeating back to you guys, "Are there no H1Z's, yet? Are the no Eve's?"

Lets be real here jockey. Sooner or later somethings going to change. You know that right?

The modes are certainly not equal when it comes to risk vs reward. You think they are going to let it stay this way? Cmon man. Why do you fight this so much? I really dont understand.

As soon as you guys realize the truth and stop asking for silly things, the silly arguments will die of their own accord.

 

[EvE4evah]

Dude it's impressive.
We had 22 pages before Nineties joined the conversation, then suddenly Jockey comes right after.

 

[Jockey79]

Lets be real here jockey. Sooner or later somethings going to change. You know that right?

You've been saying this since SOG4 - glad I didn't hold my breath.
You were told then, as you've been told here - the mode system and equal access to all content was an advertised part of the game 5 years ago - it's not going anywhere.

The modes are certainly not equal when it comes to risk vs reward. You think they are going to let it stay this way? Cmon man. Why do you fight this so much? I really dont understand.

You're right, the modes are not equal.

Group and Open players can get help from friends in Wings or Multi-crew.
Solo players however, have to play alone - against the whole universe.

This isn't fair, Solo players should get boosted income to compensate for wing vouchers and multi-crew bonuses.

 

[Roybe]

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This isn't fair, Solo players should get boosted income to compensate for wing vouchers and multi-crew bonuses.

To put everyone on even footing there should only be Solo mode.

 

[Jockey79]

Dude it's impressive.
We had 22 pages before Nineties joined the conversation, then suddenly Jockey comes right after.

I've been here all along, 90s is following me I think. First in SOG and now here.
Should I report them for stalking/ harassment?

 

[Mouse]

Just because I don't want to play the game with you, doesn't mean I don't want to play the game.

I paid for 100% of the content, I expect 100% of the content, regardless of what you or anyone else thinks.
I didn't pay to be your content, you are not paying me to be your content - so I'm not going to be.

All content made by Frontier is available to all players - because that is what we paid for.
Who I enjoy that content with is up to me, not you.

That's the "big deal".

You want PvP only content, play a PvP game.
World of Warships is a great game, you should try it.

This so this.

 

[Jockey79]

To put everyone on even footing there should only be Solo mode.

I almost spat my beer all over my PC.
I thought my idea of removing Open was brutal - but darn!
I surrender to your clearly superior mind and wisdom.

All hail Roybe and Solo only Elite.

 

[ALGOMATIC]

Everyone has equal input...not everyone is willing to avail themselves equally of the input.

It always seems the PVP crowd does a full court whine session around Christmas every year...and the real problem is these folks don't seem to understand the nature of the game...it's not that the devs aren't trying..it's just that PVP people don't understand the nature of the game and bring their coal, black whines to the fore for their Christmas cheer. The devs do not care about the PVP peoples presents, or presence, and the PVP people, generally, have gotten the message...they have left the game for better PVP pastures.

The majority of the whiners here, on FB and Reddit is from the PVE players with no skills who fly shieldless junk and get rekt. Come outside of this forum and you will see another world.

 

[Jockey79]

This so this.

Dude, how long has it been? And these darn forums still wont let me rep you.

I just don't "spread it around" enough so I'm told (oh er)

 

[Mouse]

Couldnt care less about "true PVP players" whoever they might be, PVP involves everything, non consensual fights or ganks as well, this is the game you bought, deal with it.

Yet it is PVPers who can't "Deal with it" and complain about the BGS, PGs, Solo, etc...

 

[EvE4evah]

Dude, how long has it been? And these darn forums still wont let me rep you.

I just don't "spread it around" enough so I'm told (oh er)

Yeah gimme some

 

[Jockey79]

The majority of the whiners here, on FB and Reddit is from the PVE players with no skills .....

So close, I think what you were supposed to write was;

The majority of the whiners here, on FB and Reddit is from the EVE players with no skills who thought this was EVE in cockpits.

Yeah gimme some

Darn you!

Had to rep this, you're a tricky one ain't you

 

[ALGOMATIC]

So close, I think what you were supposed to write was;

The majority of the whiners here, on FB and Reddit is from the EVE players with no skills who thought this was EVE in cockpits.

Dunno, never played EVE, not sure what skills you need to have there since its point and click.

 

[Mouse]

The majority of the whiners here, on FB and Reddit is from the PVE players with no skills who fly shieldless junk and get rekt. Come outside of this forum and you will see another world.

Flat out Bull manure... let me hand you a shovel for that crap. The whiners have been the ones who demand that everyone else be THEIR gameplay and cannon fodder and whine about not enough targets, it is unfair PVErs get the same benefits and Open should get more money and perks and benefits..yada yada yada.

 

[EvE4evah]

So close, I think what you were supposed to write was;

The majority of the whiners here, on FB and Reddit is from the EVE players with no skills who thought this was EVE in cockpits.





Darn you!

Had to rep this, you're a tricky one ain't you

Thx for rep

"don't inspect a gifted horse's teeth"
Does English have a similar saying?

 

[ALGOMATIC]

Flat out Bull manure... let me hand you a shovel for that crap. The whiners have been the ones who demand that everyone else be THEIR gameplay and cannon fodder and whine about not enough targets, it is unfair PVErs get the same benefits and Open should get more money and perks and benefits..yada yada yada.

You have no idea what you are talking about. The modes discussion exist in this forum mainly.

I am just looking at like 4 posts from FB about people crying how they are getting ganked at the burning stations, and I am still at work , wait few hours...

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

You've been saying this since SOG4 - glad I didn't hold my breath.
You were told then, as you've been told here - the mode system and equal access to all content was an advertised part of the game 5 years ago - it's not going anywhere.



You're right, the modes are not equal.

Group and Open players can get help from friends in Wings or Multi-crew.
Solo players however, have to play alone - against the whole universe.

This isn't fair, Solo players should get boosted income to compensate for wing vouchers and multi-crew bonuses.

You always have the option to pick open.

However those are multiplayer features. You really cant complain about multiplayer features if you refuse to use them.

Click the mode and use it.

But thats not what we are talking about here.

We are talking about the same reward for increased risks of open play. Especially against other player factions, or powerplay factions. You're good at twisting words, but it aint gonna fly here.

Im 15 time Forum PVP champion of the world.

Seriously though, The way it is now has caused more grief than any griefer is capable of.

But it seems like these forums would rather troll. Or fight against it. And its such a shame. It doesnt have to be this way.

With the proposed changes I have given. Everyone wins. Including the solo and private players.

I still cant believe you have the audacity to complain about multiplayer features. Like multicrew ect. When you have the option to use them.

You literally just argue for the sake of it. Its really growing tiresome.

 

[Mouse]

You have no idea what you are talking about. The modes discussion exist in this forum mainly.

I am just looking at like 4 posts from FB about people crying how they are getting ganked at the burning stations, and I am still at work , wait few hours...

I've been in these forums a while... I have a pretty good clue as to what I am talking about. Yes there are whiners from both sides, but for YEARS we have been fending off PVP purists wanting to change every aspect of the game because it isn't "Fair" that they don't have targets or the BGS should only be open, and other utter crap to pander to their playstyle only.

 

[EvE4evah]

You always have the option to pick open.

However those are multiplayer features. You really cant complain about multiplayer features if you refuse to use them.

Click the mode and use it.

But thats not what we are talking about here.

We are talking about the same reward for increased risks of open play. Especially against other player factions, or powerplay factions. You're good at twisting words, but it aint gonna fly here.

Im 15 time Forum PVP champion of the world.

Seriously though, The way it is now has caused more grief than any griefer is capable of.

But it seems like these forums would rather troll. Or fight against it. And its such a shame. It doesnt have to be this way.

With the proposed changes I have given. Everyone wins. Including the solo and private players.

I still cant believe you have the audacity to complain about multiplayer features. Like multicrew ect. When you have the option to use them.

You literally just argue for the sake of it. Its really growing tiresome.

Off-topic Nineties, but I really love your talking. Short sentences, lots in sequence, like a machine gun,

It sounds like you're so hyped with your ideas all the time, it transpires such enthusiasm.

Cheers, buddy!

 

[jasonbarron]

@Jockey gimme some, too!