Same old song about cheaters

[veryinky]

The attribution to DBOBE is in the OP. A statement by the executive producer is here: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=143287&p=2201167&viewfull=1#post2201167

Op does not have a citation just that he "knows".

And nice try. In that thread they're talking about hackers; namely people who "logoffski" other players by killing their P2P connection. That whole section of the thread is talking about memory hacks and network hacking. Find one where they talk about Combat Logging.

 

[Querty Out]

Op does not have a citation just that he "knows".

And nice try. In that thread they're talking about hackers; namely people who "logoffski" other players by killing their P2P connection. That whole section of the thread is talking about memory hacks and network hacking. Find one where they talk about Combat Logging.

I'm not trying anything. Maybe you could try?

 

[veryinky]

I'm not trying anything. Maybe you could try?

You could at least look up the definition of "citation" and compare it to the definition of "hearsay".

Here, I'll help because you seem to be very lazy.

Hearsay: I believe I heard the ghost of Eleanor Roosevelt tell me that we should launch nuclear missiles at Russia.
Citation: On page 37 of "Memories of a First Lady by Eleanor Roosevelt" she states that she enjoyed pumpkin pie.

 

[Drumatiko]

Menu logging is completely legal since you get a log-out penalty of 15 seconds. One can argue whether 15 seconds is enough penalty or that it should be increased, but you cant say it's not-valid since you already get a penalty for it.

Now if you don't like this, then feel free to add me to your KOS list (i'll be sure to give you a shot,.. for 15 seconds anyway ).

 

[Querty Out]

You could at least look up the definition of "citation" and compare it to the definition of "hearsay".

Here, I'll help because you seem to be very lazy.

Hearsay: I believe I heard the ghost of Eleanor Roosevelt tell me that we should launch nuclear missiles at Russia.
Citation: On page 37 of "Memories of a First Lady by Eleanor Roosevelt" she states that she enjoyed pumpkin pie.

I admit, I'm lazy. Wouldn't your time be better spent on looking for the citation you are after since you are not getting it from me?

 

[veryinky]

I admit, I'm lazy. Wouldn't your time be better spent on looking for the citation you are after since you are not getting it from me?

I'm not religious. I don't go looking for something I don't believe exists.

 

[Truesilver]

I know Mr. Braben to personally call it cheating.

Not aware of anything about 15 second menu quit but concerning combat logging generally, David Braben's words in the recent reddit AMA were:

Q.

"Hello David,
Huge fan.
So what are your really short term plans to prevent combat logging?
Code PR"

A.

"It is something we are looking at. The whole thing is a difficult subject; one thing is clear is it is against the rules, and customer services do look at it, and we do take action.

We continue to explore better ways of addressing combat logging, but I have nothing to announce here."


https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/599rwj/ask_him_anything_david_braben_obe_fdev_ceo/

 

[veryinky]

"It is something we are looking at. The whole thing is a difficult subject; one thing is clear is it is against the rules, and customer services do look at it, and we do take action.

We continue to explore better ways of addressing combat logging, but I have nothing to announce here."

Knew it. Actual cheating results in bans and there's page after page of SDC members on a certain website complaining about being caught using a certain memory alteration tool. And in the end the actual quote from the man itself is that combat logging is "a difficult subject" that they "continue to explore" and that he has "nothing to announce here".

Can't trust the word of someone who whines about combat logging and tries to put it on the level of memory hacking.

 

[Querty Out]

Knew it. Actual cheating results in bans and there's page after page of SDC members on a certain website complaining about being caught using a certain memory alteration tool. And in the end the actual quote from the man itself is that combat logging is "a difficult subject" that they "continue to explore" and that he has "nothing to announce here".

Can't trust the word of someone who whines about combat logging and tries to put it on the level of memory hacking.

Maybe the OP could add some info on the reference to DBOBE?

"Against the rules" and cheating are pretty much the same thing although one has the connotation of hacking in the context of computer games.

And in case you are referring to me regarding whining: No, I don't whine about it and I'm not trying to put it on the same level as memory hacking. But I still call a forced disconnect during combat cheating.

 

[Rinzler o7o7o7]

Knew it. Actual cheating results in bans and there's page after page of SDC members on a certain website complaining about being caught using a certain memory alteration tool. And in the end the actual quote from the man itself is that combat logging is "a difficult subject" that they "continue to explore" and that he has "nothing to announce here".

Can't trust the word of someone who whines about combat logging and tries to put it on the level of memory hacking.

Got any links or screenshots that I can look at, or at least any names? We don't tolerate cheating at all.

 

[Querty Out]

Knew it. Actual cheating results in bans and there's page after page of SDC members on a certain website complaining about being caught using a certain memory alteration tool. And in the end the actual quote from the man itself is that combat logging is "a difficult subject" that they "continue to explore" and that he has "nothing to announce here".

Can't trust the word of someone who whines about combat logging and tries to put it on the level of memory hacking.

Got any links or screenshots that I can look at, or at least any names? We don't tolerate cheating at all.

A citation would be good and none of that hearsay nonsense

 

[veryinky]

Got any links or screenshots that I can look at, or at least any names? We don't tolerate cheating at all.

Last time I did that I got a "Please avoid public disclosure of vulnerabilities" and "No Naming and Shaming" PMs from a moderator. Here's one of the more tame examples.

Same guy then complains 2 weeks later about being banned for using the [REDACTED] program, along with many others on the [REDACTED] forum who say that using [REDACTED] will result in account deletions by FD.

And this isn't even hard to find. Google "SDC cheating elite dangerous" and there's several hits to those forums. Yes, I know you'll claim you don't know any of those people, that they're not "real SDC" or "true SDC", that there might have been SDC who cheated but you're not like that anymore, I've heard all that before.

 

[InlineSix]

Knew it. Actual cheating results in bans and there's page after page of SDC members on a certain website complaining about being caught using a certain memory alteration tool.

Evil viciuos man! You just destroyed my believes of SDC as being the only honest player group, only showing FDev its limitations, playing the game and helping people to git gud!

Muahaha, thanks. Spilled my coffee reading this.

I'm so with you on "can't trust the word"!

 

[veryinky]

Evil viciuos man! You just destroyed my believes of SDC as being the only honest player group, only showing FDev its limitations, playing the game and helping people to git gud!

I loved reading those threads because the FDev cheat bans coincided with the beginnings of "operation spicy boyz" tandrum.

 

[IndigoWyrd]

I wasn't really thinking too much outside the game when I used the word "fair". We play a game together. Some people like to pirate or murder players in Open, that's fine, nothing wrong with that, even when they have an unfair advantage while doing so in their A-grade PVP build against some weak trading or explorer build. If you want fair PVP then arrange a tournament. But when the same pirates and murderers move to Solo while in a lesser ship to avoid becoming a victim themselves... Well, that's not "fair game" or hypocritical. Maybe there is a better word for it. Sure, it will happen and people will do it, I just suggest not to.

Perhaps then, what we really need to "balance" this out are separate profiles - One for Solo and one for Open.
I know more than a few games that do this - same characters, but different profiles, inventories, banks, etc, for each mode of play.

It's still not going to stop people from simply disconnecting in combat, but at least some of the advantage is lost, and mode-switching mission refreshing would no longer matter.

I don't see FD implementing this though, it doesn't seem to fit with their concepts.

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Knew it. Actual cheating results in bans and there's page after page of SDC members on a certain website complaining about being caught using a certain memory alteration tool. And in the end the actual quote from the man itself is that combat logging is "a difficult subject" that they "continue to explore" and that he has "nothing to announce here".

Can't trust the word of someone who whines about combat logging and tries to put it on the level of memory hacking.

SDC.. I know I've heard that TLA used before.. short for Small D!cked Children isn't it?

 

[Agony_Aunt]

Last time I did that I got a "Please avoid public disclosure of vulnerabilities" and "No Naming and Shaming" PMs from a moderator. Here's one of the more tame examples.
http://i.imgur.com/Sw3uPzU.png
Same guy then complains 2 weeks later about being banned for using the [REDACTED] program, along with many others on the [REDACTED] forum who say that using [REDACTED] will result in account deletions by FD.

And this isn't even hard to find. Google "SDC cheating elite dangerous" and there's several hits to those forums. Yes, I know you'll claim you don't know any of those people, that they're not "real SDC" or "true SDC", that there might have been SDC who cheated but you're not like that anymore, I've heard all that before.

That guy isn't SDC. We know who he is and that players (at least to my knowledge) was never affiliated with SDC.

 

[Siranui]

Got any links or screenshots that I can look at, or at least any names? We don't tolerate cheating at all.

Well, as you doubtlessly are aware, forum rules forbid naming names; but there was the video posted proudly on the forum by one of your members about a month back, which - during the CMDR's rearming - clearly showed him trying to use the known cheat/exploit of selling damaged, expensive modules (in this case a prismatic shield) and rebuying to avoid having to pay for the repair.

Shame he didn't realise the bug had been fixed and he was robotically following his exploit, and the game was taking the correct amount of money off his total.

How we laughed at him.

 

[Rinzler o7o7o7]

Last time I did that I got a "Please avoid public disclosure of vulnerabilities" and "No Naming and Shaming" PMs from a moderator. Here's one of the more tame examples.
http://i.imgur.com/Sw3uPzU.png
Same guy then complains 2 weeks later about being banned for using the [REDACTED] program, along with many others on the [REDACTED] forum who say that using [REDACTED] will result in account deletions by FD.

And this isn't even hard to find. Google "SDC cheating elite dangerous" and there's several hits to those forums. Yes, I know you'll claim you don't know any of those people, that they're not "real SDC" or "true SDC", that there might have been SDC who cheated but you're not like that anymore, I've heard all that before.

We are aware of who this guy is and he was never affiliated with us at all. None of us ever visited Wolfberg to do PvE stuff either.

 

[shizulte]

We are aware of who this guy is and he was never affiliated with us at all. None of us ever visited Wolfberg to do PvE stuff either.

In fact, most of us didn't even know we had a minor faction until some kerfuffle instigated members of another group to go attack our minor faction and chest pound about it on the forums.

 

[ArchEmperor]

Combat loggers wanted to nerf Sothis... and now when Combat logging is getting nerfed, they are sure to want Sothis back!

I have a solution that wont affect anyone but the combat loggers:

When regularly combat logging, they get a Combat Logger mark written over their Elite ranks.
Also, a Combat Logger marked player get 50% less rewards from bounties, missions and commodity trading.

I would also like to see the "Combat Logger" mark in neon paint over their ship paintwork.