SAMSUNG HAS CHANGED THE GAME!
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It's a niche that doesn't have much competition. The contrast ratio, HDR, and pixel response won't be anywhere near as good as an OLED, but there aren't any OLED displays in this form factor. Indeed, there are only a handful of monitor specific OLED panels out there because longevity and burn-in are still issues with OLEDs. We'll probably need to wait for more mature micro-LED or QD-LED (not the same thing as QLED) tech to get back to CRT/plasma contrast ratios and response times with mainstream PC displays.
VA panels are definitely slower than TN or IPS of similar era and quality, but they have definitely been getting better and there is a huge spread in overdrive implementations. The PG43UQ isn't particularly representative.
Having a refresh rate beyond what pixel response can convincingly support isn't all bad either. There are minor latency gains and tearing with syncronization disabled becomes progressively harder to notice at higher refresh rates. Keeping the refresh rate high at all times can also limit the overshoot from overdrive by limiting the duration of refreshes.
Budget is probably one of the first criteria one should use to exclude something. Personally, most of my displays have fallen in the 200-700 dollar range, and I have difficulty concieving of a scenario where I'd spring for a $1500+ display.
I was just pointing out that anyone seriously considering this display is looking for a very specific combination of attributes that any other display is not likely to satisfy.
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It's an issue for me as well.
I'm pleased to see the progress made on the specifications, that's a breakthrough; but I'm still hoping to see something with similar specs in the 38" 3840X1600 monitors.
I was almost tempted to grab the LG 38GK950G-B a while back but in either case I'll likely wait until the next gen of Nvida cards arrive in the fall.
In any case, it's nice to see new monitors that are hitting new performance levels that have the potential to be an attractive upgrade from my 34" Dell. It's actually been very good for ED, but I'd like to move up to something better at home so I can move the Dell to a second location where I play on my alt account when I'm away from home.
All good stuff
In that ED adapts pretty well to triple monitor setups, I'm hoping that these new ultra wide monitors can be well utilized in ED. I'd love to hear from anyone that's used ED on a 49" monitor. I had to manually adjust some of the graphics override settings for best look on my 34" including an input for FOV that couldn't be achieved through the settings menues, but it was pretty easy to do and does not get altered during the update process.
Recall is probably why I was having trouble finding any panel tests.
Fortunately, the same panel tech is also in the new Odyssey G7:
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=go1qsBetgV0
www.techspot.com
Extremely impressive transition times for a VA panel and enough to actually do justice to 240Hz. To put things in perspective, I have a middle of the pack (as far as pixel response goes) VA panel from 2018 in a 165Hz display that is only about a third as fast and has significantly higher overshoot as well. My previous 32" 1440p 60Hz VA from 2014 is about one tenth as fast as the new Samsung panels.
So, shouldn't be any noticeable ghosting or overshoot at 240Hz. Wish they had a flat one with this panel.
Fortunately, the same panel tech is also in the new Odyssey G7:
Samsung Odyssey G7 32" Monitor Review
This is one of the most heavily requested monitor reviews we've had in quite some time. The Samsung Odyssey G7 sports a 2560 x 1440 resolution, 240Hz...
www.techspot.com
Extremely impressive transition times for a VA panel and enough to actually do justice to 240Hz. To put things in perspective, I have a middle of the pack (as far as pixel response goes) VA panel from 2018 in a 165Hz display that is only about a third as fast and has significantly higher overshoot as well. My previous 32" 1440p 60Hz VA from 2014 is about one tenth as fast as the new Samsung panels.
So, shouldn't be any noticeable ghosting or overshoot at 240Hz. Wish they had a flat one with this panel.
Looks like Gutamaya took part in the design process 
Just to chip in on this thread ... slightly off topic but I ordered the 27" G7 a couple of days ago (currently out of stock with a current eta around mid September).
The story behind this is that I recently purchased the Gigabyte Aorus CV27Q 27" 1440p curved gaming monitor. In many ways it was a beautiful screen. I loved the curve (I guess that's a personal taste thing), blacks were nicely black, great colours, decent refresh rates (165Hz), G-Sync compatible, solid build, etc, etc,
The problem was that it had an issue with text and fine details fading and changing colour (red-shifting?) when they were moving across a dark background. This affected Elite: Dangerous in that things like orbit lines would fade when they moved as I moved my head (I have head tracking). The best demonstration of the problem was when smooth scrolling the yellow leaderboard table on the following forum page.
forums.frontier.co.uk
If you scroll down to that table and then scroll the page up and down a bit, what I was seeing was the yellow border and text fading and changing to a reddish orange colour while it was moving. The effect was quite dramatic.
I had numerous exhchanges with Gigabyte, their user forum and CCL (the company I purchased it from). From other owners of the same screen I decided that the problem was inherent and to do with response times of VA panels (I've learned a lot in the last few days). It could be improved by setting Overdrive to Speed but it was still noticeable and, for me, unacceptable.
I eventually decided to return the monitor, did a lot more research and settled on the Samsung Odyssey G7. Although still a VA panel (which has nice deep blacks and good contrast, something I find important for Elite) it has extraordinarily fast response times compared to other VA panels and even most IPS displays (backed up by numerous reviews) and, by contacting some owners of the screen, verified that the above web page does not suffer from the same issue with this panel.
I gather some people have reported a flickering issue (although typically only on game main menu and loading screens) but it's only under certain settings and even then it's far from everyone that has been able to reproduce it. It also sounds as if a recent firmware patch improves the issue (and the product recall mentioned above for the G9 may also be related).
I'm looking forward to getting this monitor as I have high hopes for it. I'll report back when I've had it a while.
Oh, and I was also chatting on facebook today with a guy who has the big G9 and he loves it and is extremely happy with it.
P.S. I've just noticed the Gigabyte Aorus CV27Q at the very bottom of that table above ... OK, well that explains a lot!
The story behind this is that I recently purchased the Gigabyte Aorus CV27Q 27" 1440p curved gaming monitor. In many ways it was a beautiful screen. I loved the curve (I guess that's a personal taste thing), blacks were nicely black, great colours, decent refresh rates (165Hz), G-Sync compatible, solid build, etc, etc,
The problem was that it had an issue with text and fine details fading and changing colour (red-shifting?) when they were moving across a dark background. This affected Elite: Dangerous in that things like orbit lines would fade when they moved as I moved my head (I have head tracking). The best demonstration of the problem was when smooth scrolling the yellow leaderboard table on the following forum page.
Community Event / Creation - BRC/TWH present: Hermaszewski Celebration Race
Hello Commanders! Our Polish faction The Winged Hussars is celebrating its 2nd birthday on 10th November 3303. To mark the occasion the Winged Hussars have teamed up with Buckyball Racing Club to organise a special event for all the community to participate in. BUCKYBALL RACING CLUB and THE...
If you scroll down to that table and then scroll the page up and down a bit, what I was seeing was the yellow border and text fading and changing to a reddish orange colour while it was moving. The effect was quite dramatic.
I had numerous exhchanges with Gigabyte, their user forum and CCL (the company I purchased it from). From other owners of the same screen I decided that the problem was inherent and to do with response times of VA panels (I've learned a lot in the last few days). It could be improved by setting Overdrive to Speed but it was still noticeable and, for me, unacceptable.
I eventually decided to return the monitor, did a lot more research and settled on the Samsung Odyssey G7. Although still a VA panel (which has nice deep blacks and good contrast, something I find important for Elite) it has extraordinarily fast response times compared to other VA panels and even most IPS displays (backed up by numerous reviews) and, by contacting some owners of the screen, verified that the above web page does not suffer from the same issue with this panel.
I gather some people have reported a flickering issue (although typically only on game main menu and loading screens) but it's only under certain settings and even then it's far from everyone that has been able to reproduce it. It also sounds as if a recent firmware patch improves the issue (and the product recall mentioned above for the G9 may also be related).
I'm looking forward to getting this monitor as I have high hopes for it. I'll report back when I've had it a while.
Oh, and I was also chatting on facebook today with a guy who has the big G9 and he loves it and is extremely happy with it.
P.S. I've just noticed the Gigabyte Aorus CV27Q at the very bottom of that table above ... OK, well that explains a lot!
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I'm reading through this lot and still using the nearly 4 year old 28" Samsung HDR monitors I keep meaning to update/upgrade...I'm sure I'll get around to it at some point, I do fling the odd upgrade at my PC from time to time by way of replacing all the spinner drives with NVME's or SATA SSD's...adding another 32GB of RAM to go up to 64GB etc. Basically though, my PC has changed very little except for being moved from the original Corsair 750-D case into a nice(r) Corsair 600-T...still the same almost 4 year old bits which were top of the range back when I built it. I still like my GTX 1080ti...not paying a mortgage for an RTX card just yet.
Monitors...I kinda like the fact that both mine are matching, both are unmarked and still pretty good at 1440p...I'll get around to it...eventually
Monitors...I kinda like the fact that both mine are matching, both are unmarked and still pretty good at 1440p...I'll get around to it...eventually
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I'm still undecided. I had thought that there would have been more competition and perhaps price adjustments in the curved 38" category, but it hasn't materialized. The LG is still almost always out of stock or on back order. Even so, at $1800 it's not a bargain by any stretch. The Odyssey G9 looked to be a worthy consideration until it was recalled.
Fortunately, (sort of) I planned on waiting until Nvidia 3000 arrives.
I don't upgrade often, but when I do I tend to blow the budget on things I intend to keep using for 10+ years.
So blowing $3k on video upgrade has been on hold long enough to justify the expense as I set aside money for upgrades on a regular schedule.
Hopefully the hardware will mature and be available before I get to old to see what I bought...
Fortunately, (sort of) I planned on waiting until Nvidia 3000 arrives.
I don't upgrade often, but when I do I tend to blow the budget on things I intend to keep using for 10+ years.
So blowing $3k on video upgrade has been on hold long enough to justify the expense as I set aside money for upgrades on a regular schedule.
Hopefully the hardware will mature and be available before I get to old to see what I bought...
I use a 40'odd inch tv @ 1080p. I sit three ft infront of it and can see the screen. That's a plus for me.
I'm past caring to much about upgrades, I keep myself and the missus ticking over, the rest can go to.. well.. you know.
I'm past caring to much about upgrades, I keep myself and the missus ticking over, the rest can go to.. well.. you know.
LG UltraGear 38GL950G-B 38" 21:9 Curved 144 Hz G-SYNC IPS Gaming Monitor
Buy LG UltraGear 38GL950G-B 38" 21:9 Curved 144 Hz G-SYNC IPS Gaming Monitor featuring Nano In-Plane Switching (IPS) Panel, 3840 x 1600 Resolution, 1000:1 Static Contrast Ratio, 450 cd/m² Brightness, 178°/178° Viewing Angles, 1 ms Response Time (GtG), 144 Hz / 175 Hz (OC) Refresh Rate, 1.07...
Finally a price drop
But still out of stock
At least there's some progress
Currently sat in front of my G7 which arrived completely unexpectedly yesterday. Thus far I absolutely frickin' LOVE this thing. It has NONE of the reponse time issues of the Aorus, everything is absolutely rock solid. It's running at 240Hz, G-sync enabled, fantastic colours and contrast. The ONLY thing, and this is personal taste, is the 1000R curve. Personally I'm fine with it (and for playing Elite it's wonderful) but I can see how it might put some people off and I'm quite surprised that Samsung (who, with this, have produced pretty much one of the best gaming monitors you can get right now) decided to split opinions in this way and not stick with a safer, shallower 1500R curve. I would say that you want to be not much more than 2ft from the screen for viewing angles to work as intended.Just to chip in on this thread ... slightly off topic but I ordered the 27" G7 a couple of days ago (currently out of stock with a current eta around mid September).
The story behind this is that I recently purchased the Gigabyte Aorus CV27Q 27" 1440p curved gaming monitor. In many ways it was a beautiful screen. I loved the curve (I guess that's a personal taste thing), blacks were nicely black, great colours, decent refresh rates (165Hz), G-Sync compatible, solid build, etc, etc,
The problem was that it had an issue with text and fine details fading and changing colour (red-shifting?) when they were moving across a dark background. This affected Elite: Dangerous in that things like orbit lines would fade when they moved as I moved my head (I have head tracking). The best demonstration of the problem was when smooth scrolling the yellow leaderboard table on the following forum page.
Community Event / Creation - BRC/TWH present: Hermaszewski Celebration Race
Hello Commanders! Our Polish faction The Winged Hussars is celebrating its 2nd birthday on 10th November 3303. To mark the occasion the Winged Hussars have teamed up with Buckyball Racing Club to organise a special event for all the community to participate in. BUCKYBALL RACING CLUB and THE...
If you scroll down to that table and then scroll the page up and down a bit, what I was seeing was the yellow border and text fading and changing to a reddish orange colour while it was moving. The effect was quite dramatic.
I had numerous exhchanges with Gigabyte, their user forum and CCL (the company I purchased it from). From other owners of the same screen I decided that the problem was inherent and to do with response times of VA panels (I've learned a lot in the last few days). It could be improved by setting Overdrive to Speed but it was still noticeable and, for me, unacceptable.
I eventually decided to return the monitor, did a lot more research and settled on the Samsung Odyssey G7. Although still a VA panel (which has nice deep blacks and good contrast, something I find important for Elite) it has extraordinarily fast response times compared to other VA panels and even most IPS displays (backed up by numerous reviews) and, by contacting some owners of the screen, verified that the above web page does not suffer from the same issue with this panel.
I gather some people have reported a flickering issue (although typically only on game main menu and loading screens) but it's only under certain settings and even then it's far from everyone that has been able to reproduce it. It also sounds as if a recent firmware patch improves the issue (and the product recall mentioned above for the G9 may also be related).
I'm looking forward to getting this monitor as I have high hopes for it. I'll report back when I've had it a while.
Oh, and I was also chatting on facebook today with a guy who has the big G9 and he loves it and is extremely happy with it.
P.S. I've just noticed the Gigabyte Aorus CV27Q at the very bottom of that table above ... OK, well that explains a lot!
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No idea
I posted to demonstrate that this monitor works well at a high refresh rate @ native resolution with a 2080Ti installed.
I'm contemplating getting a 3070 or 3080 and an appropriate upgraded monitor to use with ED. I'm still undecided to go with 38" or 49" but at least it appears that either will be able to be driven at full native resolution at high refresh rates without any problems.
I'm encouraged that Samsung sent a sample G9 to LTT to do the video. I know they've been recently recalled, but I'm hoping that solve the quality problems and bring this back to market as an option.
The more choices we have, the better.
New versions of the G series panels coming out soon:
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edX8kZcE4p8&t=1205s
Seems they'll feature the same VA panel as the original but will now have MiniLED backlighting for better brightness and contrast (and hopefully better uniformity and more local dimming zones).
Most interesting, for me, is the mention of a flat G7. I was sorely tempted to get one of the original 32" G7s, but the shaky release and that 1000R curve (probably fine on the ultrawide G9, but rather extreme for a 32" 16:9 display) turned me off of it. I've been hoping for a flat version of this panel, which seems to be the sweetspot between IPS and OLED in performance, and it finally seems like it's happening.
Seems they'll feature the same VA panel as the original but will now have MiniLED backlighting for better brightness and contrast (and hopefully better uniformity and more local dimming zones).
Most interesting, for me, is the mention of a flat G7. I was sorely tempted to get one of the original 32" G7s, but the shaky release and that 1000R curve (probably fine on the ultrawide G9, but rather extreme for a 32" 16:9 display) turned me off of it. I've been hoping for a flat version of this panel, which seems to be the sweetspot between IPS and OLED in performance, and it finally seems like it's happening.