SEPP - Social Eleu Progressive Party

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The names of CZ's are just a little bit deceptive - try the high intensity CZ instead, they've always been easier to survive than Low CZs. And rather than diving straight in, or hanging arond the edge, try looking at what the NPC SEPP ships are targeting and attack the same target, go for enemies that already have their shields down.

If you are ganged up on, then rather than running for it and getting isolated if you can't get out of range quick enough, boost through the middle of a group of friendly NPC ships, the NPCs will often engage each other.

I'm back in Eleu for a few days and planning to join in this time in my courier rather than my python.

I think that civil wars normally last 4 days.
 
Raiko,

Thanks for the advice. Will try that when I get back there.
I just re-fitted my courier for the Kessel Run. Parked at George Lucas till I can get the RL chores out of the way.
 
And so, once again, I have proven that I'm just not particularly good at this combat thing. Took my armed to the teeth and shielded Courier into the low intensity CZ, and died 3 times. Which I think is how many combat bonds I managed to hand in.

Does anybody know how long this Civil War state is likely to last ?

In Combat Chaff and Cell Banks Are very important, especially when you engage other Cmdrs majority have them, i lost 30 mil (conda rebuy @ 10 mil) lesson learned.... very fast!


1. Fit two bays or more of A class cells banks this will give you 3-5 shield recharges per bay.
2. TURN OFF all but one of the cell banks in the Modules Tab on the right, they use alot of power. Once depleted you can turn it off and turn on the unused one instantly.
2. make sure you map them to a key so you can fire them when your shield is at 1 or 2 rings.
3. they take up to 5 sec to work and charge up your shields, they DO NOT WORK when your SHIELDS ARE DOWN. You must fire them before you lose shields.
4. they recharge a certain % of your Shields the higher the class and size the more they refill.
5. Once spent you have to reload them at a station.


It takes a bit to get use to, but once you practice cell banks routine its like second nature.

With cell banks I can loiter in the High CZ up to 45 minutes as i don't lose Shields and NPC's do not have them, combined with the method RAIKO described you will be fine. And if you are swamped by multiple ships ----> boost ----> fire chaff ---> fire cell bank.....and repeat until safe.

beware of ships mass lock and there is no indicator of it, ships close to you will sloooowww your FSD charge, my conda sometime takes 2+ minutes to go supercruise under fire, as my 250 boost speed is most ships slow cruise speed. But this is an issue for big slow ships.

Your shields are your life once they are down, your hull gets chewed up fast.

Good Luck Cmdr :)
 
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Ok guys, here it goes...something I have been working on the past few days...

SEPP Nation Economy Markets Stats.

Is still not completed, a Work In Progress, and you can view it and use it but still not making changes or edit it...at least for now...eventually I hope to get help for it....

-Markets and their commodities prices across all 12 stations of our Nation.
-Best domestic routes from/to all 12 stations.(only for Finney Dock at the moment)
-National Shipyards and Ship Price and Availability on each one.
-Outfitter's Modules and Prices Availables (only for Cantor Terminal in SJL at the moment)

Please use, review, you can comment on it or here in the forums, so I can make any changes or take notes, and get familiar with it, for when fully released we all will keep it fed with live data.

Thanks!


The BGS doesn't seem to be updating. I've just been in Eleu and SEPP's influence is still on 39.9% despite the efforts people have been making over the last few days.

There are a couple of bug threads from other groups:
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=198174
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=198138

Yes, the tick hasn't happened in three days now...I am waiting til monday before making too much fuss about it... that's when I expect a big swing.
 
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WOW! :eek:...You have put a tonne of work into that. seems wrong to give my opinion now lol :eek:
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1st.....Shipyard , I thought this might be easier....
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__SHIP____ELEU____/__SJL__/__PRICE
---------FD-BO-ES-TS-/-ST-RP-/---------
SIDEY /-Y---Y--Y---Y--/--Y--Y-/32,000
EAGLE/-Y---Y--N---Y--/--Y--N/44,800
HAULA/N---Y--Y---N--/--Y--Y/52,720
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As the ship name and prices don't change ,they could be at the start and finish like I show in my very VERY bad graphics lol:(
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2nd....Outfitting , do we have to list ALL...I mean , nobody is going to buy a class 2 or 3 fsd or 1-3 power distributor.
. The life support could just be class A's & D's as no-one buys any other :p ( just trying to shorten list ,that's a lot to read )
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3rd....Market Prices....That will be SO much work to keep updated , when will you (or I ) have time to play the game ;)
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You know i'll do as much as a work horse can , and will start when I leave here.....
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OH YEAH...could you put my name on the 1st page list for members names , just noticed i'm not there :eek:
 
Ok guys,

A tick did happen today after all. Still the changes to influence are next to zero. This seems to be a bug.

I brought it to the attention of Zac and Michael, hoping it helps. You can read all the report I made about it, there.

Since you are familiar with the speed that they get to these issues of the BGS, I recommend patience.


WOW! :eek:...You have put a tonne of work into that. seems wrong to give my opinion now lol :eek:
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1st.....Shipyard , I thought this might be easier....
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__SHIP____ELEU____/__SJL__/__PRICE
---------FD-BO-ES-TS-/-ST-RP-/---------
SIDEY /-Y---Y--Y---Y--/--Y--Y-/32,000
EAGLE/-Y---Y--N---Y--/--Y--N/44,800
HAULA/N---Y--Y---N--/--Y--Y/52,720
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As the ship name and prices don't change ,they could be at the start and finish like I show in my very VERY bad graphics lol:(
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2nd....Outfitting , do we have to list ALL...I mean , nobody is going to buy a class 2 or 3 fsd or 1-3 power distributor.
. The life support could just be class A's & D's as no-one buys any other :p ( just trying to shorten list ,that's a lot to read )
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3rd....Market Prices....That will be SO much work to keep updated , when will you (or I ) have time to play the game ;)
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You know i'll do as much as a work horse can , and will start when I leave here.....
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OH YEAH...could you put my name on the 1st page list for members names , just noticed i'm not there :eek:


1- Terrific idea! The shipyard information doesn't change or fluctuates though. It will only after a BOOM state, when the system where this happens, will show a new ship in their shipyards and modules in the outfitters after the BOOM. We can adopt this idea for the outiffters table though!! Will format accordingly!

2- Not really and not the purpose. We can make or check modules here and there just to let others know where we found them. I don't expect that table to be completed any time soon, if we ever get to that. I completed all of Cantor as I reckon is our best source for our ships and also for outfitting, but don't expect to complete everything for them all. As long as we know whether we got a module or not, or where to find it, I think is cool. With that being said, let's look at the others outfitters for the missing things in Cantor.

3-Market Prices are not that hard to track.. they will change once in a few days and swings are not very wide. The most time consuming task was to put the info up. But is not very dynamic and you can spot now differences very esily when compared with real market of game. I just did the exercise with Finney Dock..corrected 2 prices from 4 days ago, and it only took me 3 mins...really not hard.. I can tackle every market once a week... but if you guys would liek to casually help, please do!

Now, the best domestic route is the tab I don't see myself updating often if at all.. seemed like a good idea until I finished it... I reckon there are better routes to other external systems... and for that, I use CMDRS Log and Elite OCR....and I think all of you should. :p


EDIT: Added a couple of CMDR to the front post list! Iknow it was overdue!
 
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I just checked the state of Eleu as I finished this evening (5 minutes ago) and SEPP is in a state of Civil War with the Conservatives (Dictatorship government) in Eleu. SEPP is just over 40% influence but the Conservatives are in single digits. This is the only Civil War in the system, so it seems an odd pairing. SEPP controls the system because it owns Finney Dock but this smaller faction has two stations, one orbis two planets out from Finney and one of the very distant outposts around the secondary star. Seems like it might be one-sided...
I'm not sure how much time I can work out on weekdays right now but, despite being rather pacifist, I don't have a problem helping out democracies against Anarchic and Dictatorship governments. What works best - earning combat bonds in conflict zones or are there particular missions to take/avoid? I remember some missions not having the expected effects so I try to avoid having active missions when entering a CZ.
 
Just completed Finney Dock in ELEU , that took ages :(
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If anyone is going to do a station , I suggest they say so in here , that way no-one will be wasting ALOT of time and effort.
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Finney had 28 Shields alone :eek:
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ok ,fly safe and i'll add the people I don't have from the group list so don't be scared :p
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Just completed Finney Dock in ELEU , that took ages :(
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If anyone is going to do a station , I suggest they say so in here , that way no-one will be wasting ALOT of time and effort.
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Finney had 28 Shields alone :eek:
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ok ,fly safe and i'll add the people I don't have from the group list so don't be scared :p
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OMG Gut, you are too much!!!

Here, have the editable link to pour your data: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1lFAfplehF7RIasLJtmlCfbooRycMNjfWMN7s6QJTs4c/edit?usp=sharing

I will format it later during the week! but please don't break a leg on it!!
 
I just checked the state of Eleu as I finished this evening (5 minutes ago) and SEPP is in a state of Civil War with the Conservatives (Dictatorship government) in Eleu. SEPP is just over 40% influence but the Conservatives are in single digits. This is the only Civil War in the system, so it seems an odd pairing. SEPP controls the system because it owns Finney Dock but this smaller faction has two stations, one orbis two planets out from Finney and one of the very distant outposts around the secondary star. Seems like it might be one-sided...
I'm not sure how much time I can work out on weekdays right now but, despite being rather pacifist, I don't have a problem helping out democracies against Anarchic and Dictatorship governments. What works best - earning combat bonds in conflict zones or are there particular missions to take/avoid? I remember some missions not having the expected effects so I try to avoid having active missions when entering a CZ.

Hello CMDR,

1 - What is your in game name so I can add you to the list and people can friend you?

2 - Thanks for the observation. I would suggest to visit this forum more regularly -we have been extremely active this past week with so many events affecting us- and yes, we have been fighting the war these past two days. Read last two pages for more info.

3 - The BGS is bugged now and missions and such are not having too much of an impact. Combat zones is the order of the day and even that is being slow.

4- As unlikely as it is, this war should be over any minute now, without us doing much more or nothing at all, really. Numbers aren't there to sustain it.
 
Can not find ADEPT GERARD to add to friends list (with or without space ) is it spelled right? :S
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have added the rest :D
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This is a site made by a CMDR it's updated hourly on some stations by other cmdrs in the bubble it's a huge DB. Works great you can search by distance, commodities to buy or sell, list highest profit between stations. We can use it as a guide or if you want to locate an item fast. You don't need to register to use it.
I don't update prices in it, but use it on occasion when pressed for time.

http://elitetradingtool.co.uk/
 
Hello CMDR,

1 - What is your in game name so I can add you to the list and people can friend you?

2 - Thanks for the observation. I would suggest to visit this forum more regularly -we have been extremely active this past week with so many events affecting us- and yes, we have been fighting the war these past two days. Read last two pages for more info.

3 - The BGS is bugged now and missions and such are not having too much of an impact. Combat zones is the order of the day and even that is being slow.

4- As unlikely as it is, this war should be over any minute now, without us doing much more or nothing at all, really. Numbers aren't there to sustain it.
1 - Edelgard von Rhein's in game name is CMDR Edelgard von Rhein :)

3 - The MoM guys posting in the BGS thread keep saying that only CZ vouchers and combat missions effect influence during a war, so any other mission is probably a waste of time in Eleu. (I've not had even a minute of game time since Friday night, and haven't had time to read any bug reports, so please don't take this as a suggestion that the BGS isn't bugged I'd be amazed if it was working properly - at least we have Finney though!)

This is a site made by a CMDR it's updated hourly on some stations by other cmdrs in the bubble it's a huge DB. Works great you can search by distance, commodities to buy or sell, list highest profit between stations. We can use it as a guide or if you want to locate an item fast. You don't need to register to use it.
I don't update prices in it, but use it on occasion when pressed for time.

http://elitetradingtool.co.uk/
I'd also recommend just using Thruds (elitetradingtool.co.uk) if you want to record commodity prices, otherwise you're just duplicating the efforts.
I don't tend to use external trading tools, as I can quickly identify where to find things by using the GalMap (I only trade at CGs anyway), but I've got a high ranking (deadly) on Thrud's from when I used to fill things in lots during the Beta. If you fill in the latest prices at the stations in our systems you'll be able to quickly identify which our best internal trades are (and how to damage our enemies economies).
 
I've had a chance to catch up on the BGS thread this morning and everyone there seems to be experiencing the same kinds of problems (only tiny, less than 1% influence movements since the 7th).

_Flin_ has started a bug report thread here: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=198422, perhaps one of us could add to it? If I get online today, it won't be for at least 12 hours from now.

I do wish that someone at FD would properly test these BGS fixes before they release them, this seems to be a worse situation than it was before! At least expansion was working before. :(
 
This is a site made by a CMDR it's updated hourly on some stations by other cmdrs in the bubble it's a huge DB. Works great you can search by distance, commodities to buy or sell, list highest profit between stations. We can use it as a guide or if you want to locate an item fast. You don't need to register to use it.
I don't update prices in it, but use it on occasion when pressed for time.
http://elitetradingtool.co.uk/

I'd also recommend just using Thruds (elitetradingtool.co.uk) if you want to record commodity prices, otherwise you're just duplicating the efforts.
I don't tend to use external trading tools, as I can quickly identify where to find things by using the GalMap (I only trade at CGs anyway), but I've got a high ranking (deadly) on Thrud's from when I used to fill things in lots during the Beta. If you fill in the latest prices at the stations in our systems you'll be able to quickly identify which our best internal trades are (and how to damage our enemies economies).

Yes, please people by all means use these tools to check trading information if you want! I totally forgot to mention them because I don't use them!

However, for those of you purist -like me- that want to find the trading routes by yourselves, the CMDR's Log is one of the best tools around. There is a trader's computer for in game too that seems to be good but and I haven't tried it yet, mainly because it is superposed on your HUD in game... not sure about it but will give it a try.

The reason behind not using any external market website is because it adds to the game's spirit: the idea is that you go around an area and find out about the markets, or use the Galmap to figure these things out. There is a reason why you can't just simply access market's pricing from the Galmap, and is precisely to promote exploring systems around looking for good trades. When you use this external sites is like someone just tipped you off, you basically didn't "solve" the puzzle, somebody else -thousands of people indeed- did it for you and simply gave you the answer.

Again, I am a purist and I roll like that when it comes to trading, but I also understand that for more pew pew oriented, impatient or time constrained CMDR's this is probably not a practical option. I, myself used those tools very early in the game until I figured I could do it by myself and that there were tools to help me out with that. I still have them bookmarked in my browser and visit sometimes specially while at work or afk to check things out.

With that being said, the only thing I also request is not to feed into them. Let them figure us out if they want to, let's not give them the answers to our "puzzle". If they want it, come and get it in our stations. Plus more often than not, this contributes to careless traffic, and one that is hard to even recruit or sway around. Just my opinion, not that I would ever be checking if that happened or not. Just sharing my stance.

I've had a chance to catch up on the BGS thread this morning and everyone there seems to be experiencing the same kinds of problems (only tiny, less than 1% influence movements since the 7th).

_Flin_ has started a bug report thread here: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=198422, perhaps one of us could add to it? If I get online today, it won't be for at least 12 hours from now.

I do wish that someone at FD would properly test these BGS fixes before they release them, this seems to be a worse situation than it was before! At least expansion was working before. :(

I added my post to that thread.


As for this morning, some directions here:

-Not knowing what is going to happen with today's tick, is hard to take decisions. I think the war shouldn't be fought any longer for now, as we have clearly cashed lots of bonds and the influence numbers do not justify it. When the BGS comes back to senses, it should resolve the war immediately and ended it, probably handing us off Bradshaw Outpost as a result.

-Instead, lets go back to a water down version of Operation Tidally Lock, and run missions and trades as planned. The sway in influence was meager -only 2.30% that friday we ran the operation- but yet, it moved in the right direction and yet, it was the biggest swing in comparison to all of the other systems! Which means that it is moving to the right direction! So let's keep the effort there.

-Same goes for ELEU, where the EEC is still holding over 50% of influence while we are entangled in an already won war with the COOE. Let's go for our real enemy here and run missions against them.

-While completing the Economic data, I already could see the Tobacco Route from Finney being in place. Seems like our new citizens in Mechet like their good tobacco...let them smoke...Eleu Tobacco Growers Association has been pushing us to promote it after the 6 months prohibition during the Fed's occupation.

-General approach, is to take this and any other task with lots of patience and rather laid back...I don't expect the BGS to be moving again until the end of this week, probably next.

-EDIT: Very Important: For those of you in the U.K. please check the Systems Map hourly, specially after 15hrs whereas possible, and check for influence changes from yesterday!! We want to pinpoint the tick for each one of the 4 systems and see what it does! Just report back the time when it happens -e.g. after 16hrs, bet. 17 and 18hrs, etc-, nothing else, I get to the numbers when I get home, but knowing the time will help us for following days! Thanks!!

/Kancro Out.
 
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I agree on not updating the trading tool DB as that brings random traffic to our systems I use it now on rare occasions. Its funny that I found Sant J eleu and met Vantas because of this site back in my trading days!
 
I also don't make use of Thrudd's very often, it's easier to reliably find what you need by tweaking the GalMap display.

I logged in to take a look at Santjalan and Eleu just now - STJ appears to be updated every day (probably because of the trade-route that Kancro mentioned in an earlier post), Eleu hasn't been updated for at least a couple of months, except for Finney Dock, which was updated 31 days ago.

So I suspect that Eleu doesn't see much trader traffic other than rares-traders. :)
 
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