ship interiors - will they happen

[Hank]

I'll sledgehammer the horse again and say the currently modeled flight deck or bridge can be finished by allowing the CMDR to get up and interact with the crew or leave the bridge through the airlock and go do whatever. ... While on bridge, be able to tell your crew to fly escort in a SLF, etc. You can be a person who flies a ship instead of being the ship.
Have a nice day

 

[thistle]

Ofc they are, and they will.
People are also free to prentend the Sky is green, that pigs can fly and that you can survive on air alone.
But don't expect much in terms of serious respect when you do so.
Because I did not lay out "restrictions", I merely listed FACTS. Just like the Sky being blue, pigs not having wings and you needing food, water and sleep XD

There's those subjective opinions disguised as "facts" again.

 

[thistle]

I'll sledgehammer the horse again and say the currently modeled flight deck or bridge can be finished by allowing the CMDR to get up and interact with the crew or leave the bridge through the airlock and go do whatever. ... While on bridge, be able to tell your crew to fly escort in a SLF, etc. You can be a person who flies a ship instead of being the ship.
Have a nice day

Sounds good

Combined with more planet types to land on, some weather on new atmospheric planets, and we would be cooking with gas as they say.

 

[Lukaz_Chrom]

There's those subjective opinions disguised as "facts" again.

Yeah yeah ofc ... Because THIS
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is just one of those "subjective opinions" ...
and the Sky is green ... yeah yeah ...
Next you will pull out the ad-hominem right ?

 

[thistle]

Yeah yeah ofc ... Because THIS
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is a "subjective opinion" ...
and the Sky is green ... yeah yeah ...
Next you will pull out the ad-hominem right ?

I don't know why you're so defensive about your own opinion. It's your opinion, you should be happy about it.

It's okay mate, you are allowed your opinion.

Just accept others have theirs and they are as valid as yours

 

[heathenlamb]

Yeah yeah ofc ... Because THIS
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is just one of those "subjective opinions" ...
and the Sky is green ... yeah yeah ...
Next you will pull out the ad-hominem right ?

I mean ... it is a subjective opinion ... The poll is only an affirmation of confirmation bias. It is simply a reflection of the fact that 97% of responders, when asked if they would like interiors in ED, responded yes. The same 97% would say they want atmospheric planets, it doesn't make it the most requested feature.

Everything else around that is purely anecdotal .. "I've seen this .. I've read that ...". To be blunt, 90% of the discussion in the past 50 pages of this thread is the same 10-15 people over and over again .... hardly a resounding endorsement. I'd be happy to see interiors ... but it's not at the top of my list.

Also repeating ad-hominem as a premeptive counter to any potential retort doesn't a discussion make.
“If the only tool you have is a hammer, you tend to see every problem as a nail.”

 

[MUTILADOR]

I mean ... it is a subjective opinion ... The poll is only an affirmation of confirmation bias. It is simply a reflection of the fact that 97% of responders, when asked if they would like interiors in ED, responded yes. The same 97% would say they want atmospheric planets, it doesn't make it the most requested feature.

False

The survey shown is just one of many (I'd say "hundreds") posts requesting ship interiors in Elite across the various existing platforms, so it's a pretty concrete indication, yet another example, of everything surrounding this topic.It's neither the first survey, nor the only one that will ever exist demonstrating time and time again that ship interiors are the most requested feature for Frontier for Elite.

 

[heathenlamb]

False

The survey shown is just one of many (I'd say "hundreds") posts requesting ship interiors in Elite across the various existing platforms, so it's a pretty concrete indication, yet another example, of everything surrounding this topic.It's neither the first survey, nor the only one that will ever exist demonstrating time and time again that ship interiors are the most requested feature for Frontier for Elite.

You just proved my point.

 

[Lukaz_Chrom]

You just proved my point.

And how did you arrive at that conclusion XD
The "It's just your opinion man"-card is a very old and very cheap trick to discredit essentially everything. (Just like an ad-hominem [which I also already experienced here])
That Ship Interiors are the most desired feature (with the ONLY realistic competitor being actual atmo. Planets) is NOT an opinion. It's a fact. (+ should be as obvious as day)

And so I ask the same question I have asked many times before and have yet to recieve a new answer to:
IF Ship Interiors are NOT so,
then what other feature would be?

And the only real answer anyone ever gave was obviously the only answer that even remotely holds any water:
Surprise Surprise: Actual atmo. Planets.
Which are simply MUCH harder to develop and MUCH harder to monetize (at least those facts are yet to be denied).
SO:
Anything else?

 

[Coolgroove]

So, polls, videos, discussions, requests, comments, amounts of likes... for Ship Interiors - all exists, and clearly indicates that there is a huge desire for that feature.
It doesn't matter how anybody wants to spin it, simple because - Do any other feature has anything similar to indicate that it is more desirable or at least on the same level?

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

I mean ... it is a subjective opinion ... The poll is only an affirmation of confirmation bias. It is simply a reflection of the fact that 97% of responders, when asked if they would like interiors in ED, responded yes. The same 97% would say they want atmospheric planets, it doesn't make it the most requested feature.

Everything else around that is purely anecdotal .. "I've seen this .. I've read that ...". To be blunt, 90% of the discussion in the past 50 pages of this thread is the same 10-15 people over and over again .... hardly a resounding endorsement. I'd be happy to see interiors ... but it's not at the top of my list.

Also repeating ad-hominem as a premeptive counter to any potential retort doesn't a discussion make.
“If the only tool you have is a hammer, you tend to see every problem as a nail.”

At the end of the day, there is a big desire for ship interiors with gameplay to go with it. Many people would come back to the game if it had ship interiors, I've seen these people post this on reddit, YouTube, social media and here.

Whether you want it or not, there is a big demand for it. Whether it should be the next big feature or something else, that's a tough one, all we have for that is personal opinions.

 

[thistle]

I don't object to the claim that ship interiors are the top requested feature. That's probably true, even if self-selecting polls aren't exactly scientific.

It's the arguments that go around that which are problematic, and entirely subjective.

eg;

Because Ship Interiors being the best possible addition to Elite with all factors taken into consideration,
that IS objective truth :/

"objective truth"

But anyone that claims for there to be ANY other major feature that would be better for current Elite other than Ship Interiors?
Well, these people are objectively wrong.

"objectively wrong"

These are just opinions, not facts.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

I don't object to the claim that ship interiors are the top requested feature. That's probably true, even if self-selecting polls aren't exactly scientific.

It's the arguments that go around that which are problematic, and entirely subjective.

eg;

"objective truth"

"objectively wrong"

These are just opinions, not facts.

Yep, totally agree with that. They are subjective opinions.

 

[Lukaz_Chrom]

Because Ship Interiors being the best possible addition to Elite with all factors taken into consideration,
that IS objective truth :/

But anyone that claims for there to be ANY other major feature that would be better for current Elite other than Ship Interiors?
Well, these people are objectively wrong.

These are just opinions, not facts.

You know the difference between opinions and facts?
It is actually very easy:
It is called PROOF

If you present something which is backed by clear and obvious proof!
That is the moment that piece of information becomes a FACT.
And trying to play the "It's just your opinion"-card, doesn't work anymore then XD
Ofc we could now descent into philosophical jingle-jangle ala "what really is truth/proof" but for everyone that still accepts 2+2=4,
the proof is clear as day.

And you can call it whatever you want,
you can choose to discredit it by calling it "unscientific" or "whatever else you want to make up",
BUT THIS (among quite a few others btw.)
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is called proof and with said proof, the consequential conclusions are essentially undeniable.
Claiming otherwise would be like agreeing that fire is very hot, but not agreeing that you will burn yourself if you touch it XD
Now ofc you can (and likely will), thus choose to simply not accept it, but sry,
fire will remain dangerous and the sky will remain blue my dude ...

=> Ship Interiors when?

 

[thistle]

You know the difference between opinions and facts?
It is actually very easy:
It is called PROOF

If you present something which is backed by clear and obvious proof!
That is the moment that piece of information becomes a FACT.
And trying to play the "It's just your opinion"-card, doesn't work anymore then XD
Ofc we could now descent into philosophical jingle-jangle ala "what really is truth/proof" but for everyone that still accepts 2+2=4,
the proof is clear as day.

And you can call it whatever you want,
you can choose to discredit it by calling it "unscientific" or "whatever else you want to make up",
BUT THIS (among quite a few others btw.)
View attachment 422746
is called proof and with said proof, the consequential conclusions are essentially undeniable.
Claiming otherwise would be like agreeing that fire is very hot, but not agreeing that you will burn yourself if you touch it XD
Now ofc you can (and likely will), thus choose to simply not accept it, but sry,
fire will remain dangerous and the sky will remain blue my dude ...

=> Ship Interiors when?

Oh, I'm sorry. I thought you could read and understand words.

 

[MUTILADOR]

Oh, I'm sorry. I thought you could read and understand words.

Here are some references related to ship interiors in the game Elite Dangerous that I asked an AI for.

ArtStation: Interior design concepts for ships like the Federal Dropship.

YouTube: Videos showing ship interiors in Elite Dangerous.

Pinterest: Images of ship interiors and cockpits in the game.

Steam Community: Discussions about the possibility of implementing ship interiors in the game. Players have shared proposals for how ship interiors could be designed, including optional modules and customizable cockpits.

Frontier Forums: Analysis and feedback on ship interiors in Elite Dangerous.

Elite Dangereuse: Project Icarus, an initiative to revolutionize ship interior design in the game.

Reddit: There are several posts on the Elite Dangerous subreddit discussing the implementation of ship interiors, including ideas and criticisms on how they could improve the gameplay experience.

General Search: There are also other references available on the web that explore this topic in depth.

I hope you find this information useful.

If you still maintain that your opinion carries the same weight as the evidence we present, I can provide you with the links to all those publications. The AI does it for me.

 

[ꝁestrel]

most requested feature for Frontier for Elite

No one disputes that a lot of people desire ship interiors. What we're saying is that there's no way to definitively prove that it's the most desired feature.

The poll you posted was taken in 2021. An official report was published that year which had Elite at 500,000 active monthly players (source). The poll you posted had 6,900 respondents which would make up 1% of active players during that time.

You're also not taking into account bias. To do a proper poll you need to ensure (not guess) that the sample size being polled represents the distribution of players of the entire game. There's no way to prove this.

 

[ꝁestrel]

Here are some references related to ship interiors in the game Elite Dangerous that I asked an AI for.

Your brain is being rotted by AI.

Read an introductory book on statistics and opinion polling.

Good heavens.

 

[Lukaz_Chrom]

No one disputes that a lot of people desire ship interiors. What we're saying is that there's no way to definitively prove that it's the most desired feature.

Yes there is.
But ofc you would need to once again get your info straight in order to be able to do so XD
For once again, your data is just ridiculously false
...

The poll you posted was taken in 2001.

First of all: No it was not. Elite isn't even that old XD
But I will give you the benefit of the doubt that this was a typo.

An official report was published that year which had Elite at 500,000 active monthly players (source).

EXTREMELY unlikely that Elite has 500k "active" players a month This was MAYBE some kind of all-time peak across EVERY possible source.
That would bring it almost on paar with CS (which is on a current average of roughly 600k)... Do you actually believe that just because FDev posted that?
Which was probably done in order to impress brokers. (who usually have no idea about gaming)
So let me whip out some math too now: If Elite actually had HALF A MILLION active players, (and btw. it is now essentially a PC-exclusive),
ELITE DANGEROUS PLAYERS, which are among the most tech-savy and "elevated" gamers there are ...
... why does Steam-DB only list roughly 5k? (And it was actually around 3k for a LONG time) ...
Are you telling me that ONLY 1% of the playerbase (an advanced playerbase that usually KNOWS what its doing) uses Steam XD ?!?!

Sry, but it is not MUTILADORs brain that has been "rotted" if you truly believe that.

The poll you posted had 6,900 respondents which would make up 1% of active players during that time.

Yeah yeah, I can see how you would come to that conclusion if you take the 500k for real.
Only that its not.
AND EVEN THEN, the 6,9k are actually already outdated at this piont.
It is 21k now
Behold: View attachment 422746
Really strange how the 97-3 ratio seems quite consistent ...

You're also not taking into account bias. To do a proper poll you need to ensure (not guess) that the sample size being polled represents the distribution of players of the entire game. There's no way to prove this.

Actually yes, biast was 100% taken into account here.
And that would be the bias that ObsidianAnt at the time,
(by far the biggest content-creator of the community) was in fact HEAVILY biast TOWARDS actual atmo. Planets OVER Ship Interiors XD

So in fact, the biast should have resulted in a SIGNIFICANTLY lower pro_Ship-Interiors result according to what one would assume
AND YET IT DIDN'T

Strange huh?
It's almost like ... >97% of the community ACTUALLY really wants Ship Interiors

 

[ꝁestrel]

First of all: No it was not. Elite isn't even that old XD
But I will give you the benefit of the doubt that this was a typo.

Of course it was a typo. I meant 2021.

EXTREMELY unlikely that Elite has 500k "active" players a month This was MAYBE some kind of all-time peak across EVERY possible source.

I linked to my source. It was a report created by Panmure Liberum Limited which is one of Frontier's corporate advisors:
https://www.frontier.co.uk/company/corporate-governance-and-advisors