Ships should be reworked in order to give more incentive to players to use something other than the Python or the Anaconda. (No nerfs involved)

[Ezren]

That's the point of this whole whining thread...we need more options because Python and Conda are too good and everyone uses them. That's not the case.

I think this is the core of this circular argument that Nanite is conducting. This thread makes the claim that the Python and Anaconda are "too good", which is wrong.

But that can still be wrong and some other ships could need changes. The Type-7 should be a Medium ship. That has nothing to do with the Python being "too good".

This whole argument is like somebody claiming Climate Change is real because Wind Turbines are pushing more sunlight across the planet. We say, no, that's not what those do, and then we get the response of "what, do you think Climate Change isn't real?". That's this whole argument. Conflating flawed logic with a position that's widely held to try and prove that flawed logic.

 

[Dillon Fallon]

I’ve never asked for all ships to be the same, so i don’t think there’s any need to answer that question. Besides I think even you are capable of understanding why that would be undesirable.

Anyway, you still haven’t answered my question: how would making the Clipper, the Orca, and the T7 medium ships negatively impact the game for you?

Make the Clipper a medium and I instantly sell my Python and Krait mk2 as they would be completely useless to me. So you're right that it wouldn't be a negative impact. Why buy a Python when a fully specced medium bad Clipper is half the rebuy, can still shift 180t of cargo and still have a good enough defense that I can use it for combat (and have done)?

 

[nanite2000]

This thread is not in the suggestions forum. So, no.

Sorry - I was confusing it with https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/clipper-needs-to-be-re-speced-to-land-on-medium-pads.520388/

but anyway, if @Dunkel Reynolds think people are whining, that’s his own issue.

You continue to repeat this, insinuating somebody has stated such.

It’s a question, not a statement. A not unreasonable question that I asked but few people have answered.

Can you answer it?

People pointing out the huge flaws in your arguments is not the same as disagreeing with every single thing in the universe you agree with. Despite how you're conflating the topics.

Huge flaws like...?

Also, hyperbole makes for poor arguments.

This is clearly shocking to you, but people can disagree with your hyperbolic complaints about the Python and still want changes to other ships. Though you are clearly trying to use somebody holding one opinion as proof that you're right about something else entirely.

sorry, who’s using hyperbole here? At least I’m making arguments without resorting to sarcasm and insults.

can you do the same?

Are you sure nobody is asking for that? You wanted something to compare favorably to the Python and your response to every comparison was that it wasn't better than the Python in every way.

Show me where I said that.

And here you are, conflating topics again.

Such as...?

 

[nanite2000]

Lol I never asked that question, either, so I feel no need to answer you.

Now, you tell me...how would all the ships being the same, aside from skins, negatively affect your game play?

Here's a hint...it's the same answer to both questions.

Except that making all ships the same would remove all choice, which is not what I’m asking for.

Making some ships fit medium pads to better align with their roles and stats would still leave them with pros and cons that people would have to weigh up when deciding on a ship. A medium Clipper would still have inferior range and cargo capacity to the Python. A medium T7 would still be inferior to a Python in many ways.

So, I’m absolutely not asking for all ships to be identical.

Now, how would making the Clipper, the Orca, and the T7 medium ships negatively impact the game for you?

 

[Dunkel Reynolds]

Except that making all ships the same would remove all choice, which is not what I’m asking for.

Making some ships fit medium pads to better align with their roles and stats would still leave them with pros and cons that people would have to weigh up when deciding on a ship. A medium Clipper would still have inferior range and cargo capacity to the Python. A medium T7 would still be inferior to a Python in many ways.

So, I’m absolutely not asking for all ships to be identical.

Now, how would making the Clipper, the Orca, and the T7 medium ships negatively impact the game for you?

Making every ship the same, save for the skins, would make every choice equally valid. Every choice would be as good as any other choice. How would that negatively impact your gameplay?

 

[Dunkel Reynolds]

Sorry - I was confusing it with https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/clipper-needs-to-be-re-speced-to-land-on-medium-pads.520388/

but anyway, if @Dunkel Reynolds think people are whining, that’s his own issue.



It’s a question, not a statement. A not unreasonable question that I asked but few people have answered.

Can you answer it?



Huge flaws like...?

Also, hyperbole makes for poor arguments.



sorry, who’s using hyperbole here? At least I’m making arguments without resorting to sarcasm and insults.

can you do the same?



Show me where I said that.



Such as...?

All your questions have been answered definitively multiple times. If you're not getting what you want, I don't know what to tell you.

 

[Ezren]

It’s a question, not a statement. A not unreasonable question that I asked but few people have answered.

I didn't call it a statement, though I'm guessing this is a failure in reading comprehension. The question is also completely irrelevant to your argument, though you continually attempt to conflate the topics.

Huge flaws like...?

Not going to repeat the last few pages of this thread.

Also, hyperbole makes for poor arguments.

It sure does, though I don't think you know what hyperbole is.

sorry, who’s using hyperbole here? At least I’m making arguments without resorting to sarcasm and insults.

If you find me describing your posts to you insulting, as you said "that's his own issue".

Show me where I said that.

I don't see why you respond to everything with confusion. Did you not read this thread at all? Here's you doing exactly what I said, regardless. You asked for it in that post I've had to quote back to you like six times now, since your responses are largely based around asking for previous posts to be re-explained to you.

Such as...?

Such as exactly what I pointed out in the post you were quoting here.

 

[nanite2000]

Making every ship the same, save for the skins, would make every choice equally valid. Every choice would be as good as any other choice. How would that negatively impact your gameplay?

I’ve already answered your question. Your inability to answer mine tells me you have no good response, so you’re not really contributing to the topic any longer.

 

[nanite2000]

I didn't call it a statement, though I'm guessing this is a failure in reading comprehension. The question is also completely irrelevant to your argument, though you continually attempt to conflate the topics.


Not going to repeat the last few pages of this thread.


It sure does, though I don't think you know what hyperbole is.


If you find me describing your posts to you insulting, as you said "that's his own issue".


I don't see why you respond to everything with confusion. Did you not read this thread at all? Here's you doing exactly what I said, regardless. You asked for it in that post I've had to quote back to you like six times now, since your responses are largely based around asking for previous posts to be re-explained to you.


Such as exactly what I pointed out in the post you were quoting here.

Meh - suit yourself. People only see what they want to see.

If you ever want to know the difference between a multi-role ship and a dedicated role ship, drop me a line.

 

[Dunkel Reynolds]

I’ve already answered your question. Your inability to answer mine tells me you have no good response, so you’re not really contributing to the topic any longer.

I already dismissed your question as irrelevant. The fact that you can't see that the two questions have the same answer is hardly surprising. Your arguments are bad and you should feel bad. I'm not entertaining your posts as serious discussion, so take that however you like.

Bottom line... Python is good, not great. There are plenty of options out there. Instead of whining that you can't get everything you want, just go play the game and enjoy it. Or don't. Either way, doesn't matter to me.

 

[nanite2000]

Either way, doesn't matter to me.

It very clearly does.

 

[Dunkel Reynolds]

Meh - suit yourself. People only see what they want to see.

This is the most insightful thing you've said in this whole train wreck of a thread. You're SO close...

If you ever want to know the difference between a multi-role ship and a dedicated role ship, drop me a line.

Right...any ship better than the Python in any way doesn't count as a competitor because it's "dedicated"...I think I got it.

 

[Dunkel Reynolds]

It very clearly does.

Whether you play or enjoy the game? No, it doesn't.

It does matter to me that these whining, entitled posts will infect other people and turn them into entitled whiners, too.

 

[Ezren]

I’ve already answered your question. Your inability to answer mine tells me you have no good response, so you’re not really contributing to the topic any longer.

You're very quick to declare that others aren't contributing to a topic, despite the fact that most of your responses are either repeated, or you asking somebody to show you something that already happened in the thread.

 

[Rat Catcher]

It has been interesting that many opinions/suggestions have been put into the 'pot' and an argument ensues over something totally irrelevent to the topic - it could only happen here

I suppose there are folk who get butt-hurt when a suggestion is offered that they disagree with, best thing to do is smile sweetly and drive on

 

[CMDR Cknarf]

Take your Python into a PvP wing fight and get back to me lol

 

[Ezren]

Meh - suit yourself. People only see what they want to see.

If you ever want to know the difference between a multi-role ship and a dedicated role ship, drop me a line.

We've already done this. You've already pretended that your argument was made in the context of multi-role ships, and it was not. I have already shown how this was not the case, and how this insipid response was irrelevant. You continue to go in the same circles instead of actually addressing anything that's said.

But if you're pretending here to be so clear on what a multi-role ship is all about, it's strange that you question the very idea that they're mediocre at anything. The reason I can reference these things is that I've read the thread, an exercise I strongly recommend you try.

I've already clearly explained how you're attempting to conflate topics to prove yourself right. But you turn around and ironically say "people only see what they want to see".

You've moved goalposts, you've ignored points, you've conflated topics, and if all else fails, as above, you outright dismiss anything you can't reply to.

 

[aRJay]

….

And anyway, how would making the Clipper, the Orca, and the T7 medium ships negatively impact the game for you?


….

It would restrict my choice of large pad only ships.

If we were to have more medium pad ships I would want them to be new medium pad ships, more choices not just rearranging the existing choices.

 

[Dunkel Reynolds]

It would restrict my choice of large pad only ships.

If we were to have more medium pad ships I would want them to be new medium pad ships, more choices not just rearranging the existing choices.

That is the right answer. We need another dozen ships of all sizes.

Crossing my fingers for a medium Imperial Explorer...

 

[Dad Rock]

This argument comes up A LOT in this thread. It's not an argument. The discussion is on measurable qualities of the ships, like slots, speed, shields, hardpoints etc, as well as ship usage stats. Enjoyability is not objective so we cannot really balance the ships around that. Talk about objective qualities, your opinion on the cockpit of the python doesn't really have anything to do with ship balance.

That's not really a criticism. Talking about the "best ship" in the game is itself a subjective argument given the different roles they can play and the requirements at any given time. But okay...