So there’s currently a Cmdr stuck in the slot, station defences having no affect, assumed he’s proving a point about cheats...

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The point is that it is dead-easy to enable godmode in a supposed MMO. Which means that either FD fixes it, or their entire game is a joke as far as multiplayer is concerned. I hope that answers your question.

When was the last time people blocked the slot with ships while having healing beams? It's perfectly doable without cheats. Maybe that's the joke. That the trainer is the same god tier than the engineers, minus the grind.
 
The point is that it is dead-easy to enable godmode in a supposed MMO. Which means that either FD fixes it, or their entire game is a joke as far as multiplayer is concerned. I hope that answers your question.
This became news when? We knew this three years ago.
 
When was the last time people blocked the slot with ships while having healing beams? It's perfectly doable without cheats. Maybe that's the joke. That the trainer is the same god tier than the engineers, minus the grind.
Wasn't that why reverberating cascades were implemented?
 
I'm on PS4 so I imagine it would be quite easy to trace my details on an alt account since I'd have to create a gamer ID which would include some personal information. I take it from your comment this is impossible on PC.

Do you really think they verify that info?
I assure you they do not.
 
While it is true that this action itself doesn't prove it, everyone who is in any way interested in PvP knows that literally any of us on pc can have godmode shields within a few minutes if you know your way around the arcane source of knowledge called Google. He isn't proving it, he is simply using a publicly available, openly discussed cheat program FD has been aware of for a very long time. But rather than using it in a sneaky way and griefing people with it he does it in a way that gets him nothing at all while maximizing exposure to this thing.

I dont like cheating. But at some point FD needs to step up from blanket "we're on the case use the report function we're doing everything we can blablablabla' because everyone interested in this knows its a load of bovine feces. Either fix this, which quite possible requires a complete overhaul of the network infrastructure, or just go on public and say:"PvP is a joke, has always been a joke and will continue to be a joke. We do not care, we will not fix it. If you want this, be advised that beyond 'agreed upon duels' it is just a mindless cheatfest and we aren't gonna bother doing anything about it.'
Right... and I can block pads and do a lot of other stupid things that detract from other's game experiences just to say I am proving a point. Everyone in the game gets to prove a point, no one gets any game play.

Maybe everyone else in the game doesn't give a damn about his political stance. We've already determined FD doesn't play their own game.
 
Which is also by far the dumbest way to fix an obvious issue with the game.
Well healing power creep beams are stupid in the first place. Once that seal has been broken nothing is off limits. Good thing though they took those god rolls back, whew... we almost had ships with slightly better abilities.
 
Right... and I can block pads and do a lot of other stupid things that detract from other's game experiences just to say I am proving a point. Everyone in the game gets to prove a point, no one gets any game play.

Maybe everyone else in the game doesn't give a damn about his political stance. We've already determined FD doesn't play their own game.

Thanks for sharing. The topic here is that it is possible to enable godmode and that someone is demonstrating that right now in public. Lets leave the whataboutisms for another time. If you do not want to discuss the ability to openly and easily cheat in the most blatant of ways feel welcome to find another topic to post in. :)
 
Thanks for sharing. The topic here is that it is possible to enable godmode and that someone is demonstrating that right now in public. Lets leave the whataboutisms for another time. If you do not want to discuss the ability to openly and easily cheat in the most blatant of ways feel welcome to find another topic to post in. :)
Since this isn't your thread and you're not the Jr Mod here, I'll post as I please. Maybe I'm trying to prove a point too.
 
I said it takes ten minutes to download the app and run it. I didn't say it takes ten minutes to download the app, register a second gmail account and grab a VPN.

Because it'll take fifteen. What even is your point?
Don't worry, I'm not arguing with you. I hadn't realised it was that easy to set up an alt account that is completely separate to someone's primary if they wanted one kept clean. Whether it's 10 minutes, 15 or an hour in total, this seems alarmingly simple to do cleanly.

I'm guessing real cheaters are much more subtle thus reducing the chances of being caught anyway.
 
Don't worry, I'm not arguing with you. I hadn't realised it was that easy to set up an alt account that is completely separate to someone's primary if they wanted one kept clean. Whether it's 10 minutes, 15 or an hour in total, this seems alarmingly simple to do cleanly.

I'm guessing real cheaters are much more subtle thus reducing the chances of being caught anyway.

Absolutely. And when you add the 'three strikes' rule per account and realize it can take months for FD to respond to repeated reports against a cmdr for one strike it effectively means that for $20-$30/year you can cheat to your hearts content. In case you weren't around; some time in the past cmdrs intentionally cheated then asked their friends to report them. FD said they 'dealt with it'. When the 'cheaters' then came here and said:"lol, no, we're still here and you lot did nothing at all.' FD responded they 'did an investigation and there was a rare case of miscommunication but normally we really do stuff for sure!'.

The underlying issue seems to be that way back in 2012 when designing the foundation FD had a very poor understanding of multiplayer gaming in general. Time after time exploits appeared that only existed because FD would assume gamers were nice gentlemen who would pinky swear to play kindly. They forgot to have proper trolls in their testing and designing teams. When you hear David Braben talk about how he envisions PvP, or when you heard his confused response to the request to have ED on this weird new-fangled underground thing for kids called 'Steam' you know they weren't up to speed. And that shows here. I dont think FD really can do much without a drastic overhaul of how data is handled and how the network infrastructure functions. If I am wrong I'll gladly have FD prove me so. If I am right I would like FD to openly state so and either change something or make it clear they bungled up and cheating is here to stay.

Mistakes can be made. We're all human. Sometimes mistakes are of the kind they cannot be easily rectified. If this is one of those case, I get that. Honestly. But whatever they do, I would politely ask them not to tell me porkies because that is very rude. :)
 

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Now if only FDev would get the rather simple idea to
  • checksum and encrypt all internally handled and critical Ship stats before committing to Memory (something old & very fast is good enough)
  • use a daily or even hourly rotation for keys, crypto modifiers and the specific method by the Servers
  • (optional) encryption/decryption code fully modular and transmitted on-demand by Servers, not a fixed/static part of the Client
  • any non-spurious anomaly (detected manipulation attempt) automatically transmitted to Servers for FDev review and rejected by Client (checksum fail)
And voila, no more easy Memory/Client stats manipulation or related cheating.
It just became almost physically impossible unless you happen to run a Military Datacenter with hardcore specialists working on it in realtime - or hack the FDev Servers to attain the Sources.
By the time anyone foolish enough to waste time and crack a single encryption metric - it's long obsolete and irrelevant.

Seems alot of effort but a fast rotation of all key components drastically reduces the requirements.
Even a very basic version of above would likely be quite effective.
 
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I still don't get it to be honest. How does this proof that it's dead easy?

At the very least it proves that the response time to blatant rules violations is glacially slow.

It's perfectly doable without cheats.

Well healing power creep beams are stupid in the first place. Once that seal has been broken nothing is off limits.

Utterly beside the point. The issue has exactly nothing to do with blocking the slot to a starport or questionable Engineer mechanisms and effects.

The issue is that someone can openly appear to cheat in front of witnesses and not be promptly removed from the game.
 
At the very least it proves that the response time to blatant rules violations is glacially slow.





Utterly beside the point. The issue has exactly nothing to do with blocking the slot to a starport or questionable Engineer mechanisms and effects.

The issue is that someone can openly appear to cheat in front of witnesses and not be promptly removed from the game.
I think everyone can take from it what they will, as the issue.
 

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When I do eventually play again, it will be in Solo.
 
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