So vets think it is fun to kill new players with no words

[Vincent Starson]

Enjoy the misery of others, ok.
Attack the best players of the game.

But that would be a challenge. Much easier attacking noobs and coming up with justifications afterwards.

Enjoy the misery of others? I hardly think they are miserable because of a simple ship rebuy in a game.

Ah but the best players in the game are the ones who seek you out. I'm not sure where to find them, so they can come find me.

 

[hoppingdeth]

Well speaking as someone who has shot down a few CMDR’s without saying anything, there are reasons it happens!
I have a mission to kill 10 civilians in ‘x’ system. That’s the mission the game has given me if I wish to play it. I fly to ‘x’ system and start killing anything with ‘mission target’ written on them, and that can include CMDR’s and can often include CMDR’s of a much lower rank than me and that are clearly newer to the game than I am.
I interdict them, and shoot them down even before my FSD has had time to cool. I’m not hanging around to chat – I have more civilians to kill, and I kinda feel a bit guilty too shooting down a CMDR in a Hauler with my eleventy billion credit turbo-nutter Vulture.
The only rule for me is I don’t engage ‘harmless’ CMDR’s because that really is taking the .
OP – get over it. I’d expect the same treatment myself.

 

[Han Brannigan]

He's trying to build up credits and progress. Why should he have to pay for protection because ED is either incapable of disinterested in adding realistic and capable security and consequences into the game?

Also to everyone who thinks this behaviour is fine just because the game mechanics are terrible at incubating new players. Probably the same people doing this. It's not fine. Not only will it drive new players into solo but will just stop people playing. If this game is to achieve its '10 year plan' it will need to become a lot more accessible and marketable to new people, because the way it's going it will just fizzle out (my guess on what I have seen in other similar circumstances. I understand it could be wnot so dot bother arguing this point). The open game is getying quiter and quieter these days. I know PP spread peope around but it's still not what it was.

The crux if the problem is they tried to shoehorn a single player game like elite into an MMO for a 'vision' and made a balls of it.

To OP. PM me or add me in game (same as forum name) and we can see what we can do.

Did you actually read the OP? If so, how is it a flawed mechanic if a CMDR with a bounty on his head gets killed by a bounty hunter?

 

[Jockey79]

No no no, you missed a step there.

1. They go to Open
2. They get a negative experience of being shot down without warning
MISSED STEP: 3. They don't understand that this is how Open plays and they come to forums and moan.
4. They get sent to Solo.

If they don't do step 3, if they understand and accept the fact that this is Open play with free-for-all PvP, they're all fine.

Also, that is WHY I said in my original post, from which all this has started - instead of going to Solo, hire some protection. But then people jumped on me for saying no risk no fun and the former bit was forgotten, where it was the main part of what I've said...

::EDIT::

For the record, I am not shooting at random people without warning, in fact the only PVP I ever did was in CZ's... Apart from those 2 times when I got attacked for no reason without warning. Which resulted in being destroyed once and managing to escape second time.

Instead of telling people to go to Solo, why not tell them about the Mobius Group?

And you missed step 5;

5. Open players refuse to understand Step 2. leads to Step 4. and come to the forums to moan Open is "Empty"

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Thanks Han, and indeed Razor.

 

[CMDR Zadian Lichtfrost]

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B. Don't get caught in a weak ship.

That's the problem most long time players forget. Some players can't just buy a Python or FDL and fly it with A class modules and still have a few hundred million cr. on the bank. There are players who are happy to be able to buy an Asp and have enough money to pay the insurance once or twice and maybe a bit of cargo.

 

[Deadlock989]

Stop trying to bully people into not attacking you by threatening "I'll go to solo!" That is very childish and ridiculous that you think you should decide what are the requirements for someone to blow you up. With a big head like that you probably will do much better in solo where you get to be the one who decides how all players in the game should play.

You are the worst.

 

[Han Brannigan]

Well speaking as someone who has shot down a few CMDR’s without saying anything, there are reasons it happens!
I have a mission to kill 10 civilians in ‘x’ system. That’s the mission the game has given me if I wish to play it. I fly to ‘x’ system and start killing anything with ‘mission target’ written on them, and that can include CMDR’s and can often include CMDR’s of a much lower rank than me and that are clearly newer to the game than I am.
I interdict them, and shoot them down even before my FSD has had time to cool. I’m not hanging around to chat – I have more civilians to kill, and I kinda feel a bit guilty too shooting down a CMDR in a Hauler with my eleventy billion credit turbo-nutter Vulture.
The only rule for me is I don’t engage ‘harmless’ CMDR’s because that really is taking the .
OP – get over it. I’d expect the same treatment myself.

While I get your reasoning I'd beseech you to write them a short sentence ( makro ) why you are attacking them. Might help to keep their frustration down.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Enjoy the misery of others? I hardly think they are miserable because of a simple ship rebuy in a game.

But you do it for threads like these right? I'm not putting words in your mouth, it's what you stated.

Ah but the best players in the game are the ones who seek you out. I'm not sure where to find them, so they can come find me.

I have to shoot noobs Ziggy, it's the only way I can fight more experienced players

 

[hoppingdeth]

While I get your reasoning I'd beseech you to write them a short sentence ( makro ) why you are attacking them. Might help to keep their frustration down.

Because I’m playing a game. When I have missions that aren’t trying to turn me in to a psycho then I’m happy to help newbies and have even tried to protect them on occasion (sometimes successfully, sometimes unsuccessfully) as I was a newbie once and know what it’s like.
But I also want to play the game, and that game can appear to be a bit harsh sometimes - because it is...

 

[rootsrat]

He's trying to build up credits and progress. Why should he have to pay for protection because ED is either incapable of disinterested in adding realistic and capable security and consequences into the game?

Also to everyone who thinks this behaviour is fine just because the game mechanics are terrible at incubating new players. Probably the same people doing this. It's not fine. Not only will it drive new players into solo but will just stop people playing. If this game is to achieve its '10 year plan' it will need to become a lot more accessible and marketable to new people, because the way it's going it will just fizzle out (my guess on what I have seen in other similar circumstances. I understand it could be wnot so dot bother arguing this point). The open game is getying quiter and quieter these days. I know PP spread peope around but it's still not what it was.

The crux if the problem is they tried to shoehorn a single player game like elite into an MMO for a 'vision' and made a balls of it.

To OP. PM me or add me in game (same as forum name) and we can see what we can do.

ED is capable of deploying accurate security. But as it would take time for a Cmdr to arrive at the place of crime, as it takes the security ships. The consequences are there.

Elite always had a steep learning curve and it was always quite a specific game. You can't make everyone happy. We don't have much choice. This is the vision the developers had for the game and that's what we got. Hopefully improvements will come with time...

As for the protection... You've just offered it to the OP for free. +rep fort that! I'm sure if he asked for help on /local, there'd more more than a few Cmdrs happy to jump in and help out.

Also, there are other ways - communities, groups, forums etc. where you can go and ask for help or revenge. Post a BB advert and let someone hunt down the guy that attacked you.

Another point is - if you're a new player in a paper starter ship, why do you fly into the most populated systems, that are WELL KNOWN to be very dangerous places full of rogue Cmdrs? It doesn't take much to do some research before playing the game, ESPECIALLY an multiplayer game with an open and free for all PVP mode...

I agree that Elite could do better job at making players aware of that, but there isn't much we can do about it at this point, apart from making the developers aware. I'm just not sure if moaning is the best way to do that. Constructive criticism goes a long way and is much better way to express your thoughts about a product, especially about a video game parts of which are still being developed and improved.

::EDIT::

Well speaking as someone who has shot down a few CMDR’s without saying anything, there are reasons it happens!
I have a mission to kill 10 civilians in ‘x’ system. That’s the mission the game has given me if I wish to play it. I fly to ‘x’ system and start killing anything with ‘mission target’ written on them, and that can include CMDR’s and can often include CMDR’s of a much lower rank than me and that are clearly newer to the game than I am.
I interdict them, and shoot them down even before my FSD has had time to cool. I’m not hanging around to chat – I have more civilians to kill, and I kinda feel a bit guilty too shooting down a CMDR in a Hauler with my eleventy billion credit turbo-nutter Vulture.
The only rule for me is I don’t engage ‘harmless’ CMDR’s because that really is taking the .
OP – get over it. I’d expect the same treatment myself.

Wow, I wasn't aware of this. It makes the moaning even less reasonable than it already is...

Instead of telling people to go to Solo, why not tell them about the Mobius Group?

And you missed step 5;

5. Open players refuse to understand Step 2. leads to Step 4. and come to the forums to moan Open is "Empty"

I used to, but then they moaned more that they want to be in an Open galaxy with all the players, but they don't want to be killed for no reason... There's no winning here.

 

[Han Brannigan]

Are psychos not allowed to be villains?

No they are sickos not villains. They need to be cured not killed. Bc of their antisocial tendencies and psychological problems they very rarely come into positions of power which allow them to become really dangerous.
All of historys most known villains thought they where doing a good thing.
Take old Adolf he thought he was choosen to lead the choosen race and protect them from the jew and his machinations. Pretty bonkers but not as much as I kill indiscriminately because.

I have however have wasted enough time on your education. You can behave like an hat and think you are doing it right for all I care.

 

[SteveLaw]

It doesn't say anywhere that Open = Risk, but that's how things are, regardless whether you agree with it or not.

But if that isn't how it's presented, how would players know? Who decided that that is "how things are"? We are often told that this sort of thing is rare in Open which would suggest that it isn't in fact how things are, it's just how they can be. And we still don't have to like it.

I always think that once you have to rely on a dictionary definition of a word then your argument is already lost. Technically, yes "social" doesn't necessarily mean a positive experience but if that wasn't the generally accepted definition why would we have the term "anti-social"?

My point was that no communicating with another player does not fit with what the majority of people would interpret "social" to mean. If I went to a party and didn't talk to anyone I would be labelled anti-social. Even though my activity could be made to fit into a dictionary definition of "Social" in it's strictest terms, most people would see it the opposite way.

Imagine if the game manual was worded slightly differently:

Start: Selecting this option first takes you to a menu allowing you to choose how anti-social you want this session to be.

That puts a very different spin on things and is, in fact, more in line with the OPs experience.

 

[deathmagnet]

That's the problem most long time players forget. Some players can't just buy a Python or FDL and fly it with A class modules and still have a few hundred million cr. on the bank. There are players who are happy to be able to buy an Asp and have enough money to pay the insurance once or twice and maybe a bit of cargo.

What I meant by that is don't do a bunch of risky behaviors that get a large bounty on your head. If your new it's a bad idea because you will be an easy target for quick money. If your a veteran don't get caught in a taxi hauler.

If your new and have a weak ship it might be a good idea not to put a large bounty on yourself. And did he say what killed him? Was it an FDL or a Python? Serious question. I don't know. If he got killed by a Vulture or a Cobra, that's not really a "veterans" ship.

Once again. I am totally against random killing of new players but from what I hear, he had a bounty on his head. The game mechanics said, "Hey, If you kill me you get money." What do you expect a bounty hunter to do? And I am no bounty hunter BTW. Pure trader here. And I have been blown up in trade ships because I decided murdering a bunch of system security was a good idea. I can't get mad because I was in a defenseless T7 and a bounty hunter saw an easy kill.

 

[Han Brannigan]

Because I’m playing a game. When I have missions that aren’t trying to turn me in to a psycho then I’m happy to help newbies and have even tried to protect them on occasion (sometimes successfully, sometimes unsuccessfully) as I was a newbie once and know what it’s like.
But I also want to play the game, and that game can appear to be a bit harsh sometimes - because it is...

I did not ask you a question. I just told you what to do if you want less of your victims think you are an hat who shot them down for no reason other then he could. What you are doing is totally legit in my eyes - but only after you explained it to me.

 

[Deadlock989]

Game model is a bust. The longer this game ekes out its survival, the more this will be an issue. I suppose the best way to take it as a life lesson about bullying. Sometimes the only winning move is not to play.

 

[Han Brannigan]

Game model is a bust. The longer this game ekes out its survival, the more this will be an issue. I suppose the best way to take it as a life lesson about bullying. Sometimes the only winning move is not to play.

So being hunted for bounty in a game where bounty hunters feature is wrong because?

 

[hoppingdeth]

I did not ask you a question. I just told you what to do if you want less of your victims think you are an hat who shot them down for no reason other then he could. What you are doing is totally legit in my eyes - but only after you explained it to me.

And hopefully it's clear in my answers that I dont give a rat's bum what anyone thinks of me shooting them down...

 

[Deadlock989]

So being hunted for bounty in a game where bounty hunters feature is wrong because?

Put words in your own mouth.

 

[Privata]

I dont think it was an act to upset you , I do belive he just wanted combat or was RP a murderer , and that is fine. depended on what faction leaning you are in I can help you out (as long as you are not too far away)