So you want to play in Open, eh?

[GluttonyFang]

That's fine, but here you are disclaiming the opinion from a Code perspective. If your creedo is about freedom of speech, why are you here distancing your group from it? Just curious.

I think you confused something somewhere.

I am here claiming that his individual opinion isn't the opinion of the entirety of The Code.

I respect his opinion, but it doesn't mean I agree with it or endorse it. And of course, it does not represent The Code.

I hope that cleared up the confusion.

Edit:

I am here representing Code to clarify that The Code as a whole is not represented by this thread, nor is it a formal announcement from The Code.

 

[ianw]

People are taking this thread and interpreting its tone to be the attitude of Code in general, and that is not what this post is for.

Discuss the arguments, not the person making the argument nor the group(s) said individual is associated with.

I have been - find a post in here where I've discussed the OP rather than the issues.

I even thanked him for some of the info in the OP that I was unaware of.

Code currently has a bit of a PR problem - that's caused by some of your members.

If you want to play the organisation game then you have to accept that people will hold the Code responsible for things their members say.

If you don't like that either distance yourself from their remarks or censor them.

Nobody is buying the "we don't censor them" copout.

Or you can just carry on as you are and try and ride out the ridicule - your call really.

 

[GluttonyFang]

I have been - find a post in here where I've discussed the OP rather than the issues.

I even thanked him for some of the info in the OP that I was unaware of.

Code currently has a bit of a PR problem - that's caused by some of your members.

If you want to play the organisation game then you have to accept that people will hold the Code responsible for things their members say.

If you don't like that either distance yourself from their remarks or censor them.

Nobody is buying the "we don't censor them" copout.

Or you can just carry on as you are and try and ride out the ridicule - your call really.

If you weren't doing what I described, you shouldn't be reacting whatsoever since it doesn't include you.

People should have the basic understanding that everyone is different and can have different opinions. When people clearly state they are not representing XXX in their comment, perhaps people should consider that the comment isn't the stand of XXX as a whole.

I am reacting to the thread due to people believing the OP to be announcing officially of Code's attitude, which this is not.

The basic idea of that pirates hold dear pertains to freedom, we are not going to oppress our members as long as they follow the code, which is what they signed up for to begin with.

 

[Rich H]

 

[ianw]

If you weren't doing what I described, you shouldn't be reacting whatsoever since it doesn't include you.

People should have the basic understanding that everyone is different and can have different opinions. When people clearly state they are not representing XXX in their comment, perhaps people should consider that the comment isn't the stand of XXX as a whole.

I am reacting to the thread due to people believing the OP to be announcing officially of Code's attitude, which this is not.

The basic idea of Piracy pertains to freedom, we are not going to oppress our members as long as they follow the code, which is what they signed up for to begin with.

You quoted me and then made the comments. If I don't respond then it looks like I accept what you say and I don't hence my reply.

Just as I advised you - either support your people, censor them or disown their statements - or accept that people will judge your outfit based on what your people say. That how that stuff works IRL like it or not.

Even your own guy said you'd ignored your own code on the Hutton statement thread unless I'm mistaken.

 

[xondk]

I think I can sum up threads like this.

1: Code: This is our justification and why we do this.

2: Others: Your justifications makes no sense and you don't actually follow it most of the time.

3: Code: We do, we follow our role, you are just wrong.

4: Others: You are wrong, you are just trying to justify hurting others for others!

5: goto 3

 

[Gédéon_Lecanard]

Note to all considering responding - please remain civil. Failure to do so will result in thread closure for review and possible infractions.

Oh ok. I'll shut up then.

That said I love that carefully crafted sentence

 

[Jockey79]

I am reacting to the thread due to people believing the OP to be announcing officially of Code's attitude, which this is not.

It's so hard to tell, with CODE members spouting things over Facebook, Reddit and here - all contracting each other and stating that the others don't speak for CODE.
Normally it is just easier to assume you're all doing PR stunts or just full of "it" (no offence).

Perhaps some public website with your official statements and actual codes of practice would go a long way to clearing things up?
Then if anyone speaks out of turn or behaves in a way not in line with your own rules, people would have a point of contact for CODE and you could stop people tarnishing your good name.

 

[Ozram]

Thanks. It really isn't an idea intended to stop them from being creative and coordinated, just to make the stakes a bit more visceral and bring some more life to the game environment. Having to be more fluid with their operations should be a plus to everyone involved.

 

[Kristov]

Gluttony, first thing you need to realize, ANY member of CODE who posts something is considered to represent the entirety of CODE, regardless of what you say about them having their own opinions and not actually representing CODE, that's how this works, so you need to start thinking on that if you are being the faceman. That's been part of my duties as XO of SRM for 20 years, anything ANY of my crew posted anywhere reflected on SRM, so my crew learned to be careful with their words or else.

Pirates are NOT about freedom, someone's watched way too much Disney, pirates are bad guys, straight up, psychopaths and sociopaths, murderers, thieves and more, they are evil, vile and socially quite unacceptable. They may have a code they follow, rules they live by, but those are enforced by brute force, not high morals.

As to the effect of the blockade on the HO CG, please, it wasn't even a joke and that's fact. It wasn't even started until after the first few goals had been met, rather makes the entire thing beyond silly, it becomes pure griefing, that's it. Which is fine, you are pirates, doing that is part of the job after all, but don't try and be high and mighty and all that, it makes you look like absolute jokes at best. Own the fact that you were doing this simply to annoy people and kill defenseless players, that makes you something to be feared MORE. Instead..well...jokes are the best you can hope to be at this point, you already blew that one.

And the OP making it so very clear that Code makes a practice of exploiting the game mechanics...yeah...you aren't going to distance your group from THAT no matter what you do. Driving players away from Open is bad for business, and that is ALL that is being done by the recent actions of Code and the posts from it's members. That's a bad thing for the game, and it's bad for anyone wanting to be a pirate. Cutting off your nose to spite your face isn't a very good move...

 

[CaptainKremmen]

Note that the title of the thread is Thread: So you want to play in Open, eh?


Please refrain from suggesting or discussing things like tricking your way into a PvE group by agreeing to respect their play style, then attacking members of that group.

Thank you.

 

[gorsey]

Dam I missed out on something exciting. Why didn't FD organise something like this? Oh......yeah.

Regardless of who what where or when. There is a massive lack of 'IN GAME' structure to let this happen 'organically'.

While I wouldn't look for clan setup, there needs to be something more dynamic that allows people to group together....

 

[Jockey79]

Note that the title of the thread is Thread: So you want to play in Open, eh?


Please refrain from suggesting or discussing things like tricking your way into a PvE group by agreeing to respect their play style, then attacking members of that group.

Thank you.

Why?

CODE members go into threads and derail them - remember the thread asking for an official open pve mode?

What goes around....
Karma...
Do unto others...

Darn it, there was another and I've forgotten it.

And as you bring it up, why did CODE lie their way into Mobius when Open Mode is so great?
Never mind, the answer is "griefing" - plain and simple.

 

[CmdrJacks]

I'd be much more in favor of posts promoting open, than nonsence groups killing the fun for many, and putting off even more by forum adverts on why OPEN will suck the fun out of 'your' game.

Don't think I haven't tried.

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=181317

 

[Sysmon]

So today members and front figures of CODE learned that they all speak as ambassadors for CODE, just like members of any other organisation that wave their flags and names about. OP had some good points, if poorly packaged.

Setting up an Anti-CODE force (call it Player Police, whatever) may just be introducing another organisation of the same type as CODE. Best solution (in my humble opinion), would be a stronger and more flexible respond of in-game mechanics to these kinds of events.

When a community goal is set up, the NPC parties benefitting or finding it detrimental should participate in its protection and blocking. And if enough trouble is amassing near stations of major powers, the Federation, Empire and/or Alliance would be sending patrols to check in on things as well.

S

 

[Genar-Hofoen]

Why?

CODE members go into threads and derail them - remember the thread asking for an official open pve mode?

What goes around....
Karma...
Do unto others...

Darn it, there was another and I've forgotten it.

And as you bring it up, why did CODE lie their way into Mobius when Open Mode is so great?
Never mind, the answer is "griefing" - plain and simple.

There is a Galactic-sized difference between members of an internet forum participating or derailing a topic in said forum, and players of a game infiltrating a private group within that game and deliberately flouting the rules of that group, and you appear to be blind to that difference.

 

[Soulstain]

Trying to justify themselves as usual...

They don't need to! They tried to create emergent gameplay. Instead of people allowing the emergent gameplay to evolve, it appears most just allowed themselves to be victims or just took their ball and went home, so to speak. I hope more of this happens, and next time players plan and respond appropriately instead of starting whining threads. Deal with it. Use your imagination as has been said so many times. It's a cut throat world. It's what FD wanted. Some might have acted like @$$hats. It doesn't really matter. Open is not a "roll play server". There are no rules! Leaders need to emerge, and plans need to be made. Take in-game action and let's watch this game become alive. Or waste an opportunity and let the universe continue to feel dead, sterile and contrived. The choice is ours to make. It appears the Galaxy has a new villain and one that isn't a bulletin board cutout!

 

[Asp Explorer]

There are no rules! Leaders need to emerge, and plans need to be made. Take in-game action and let's watch this game become alive. Or waste an opportunity and let the universe continue to feel dead, sterile and contrived. The choice is ours to make.

If there are no rules, how can there be leaders?

 

[Backelaer]

It's so hard to tell, with CODE members spouting things over Facebook, Reddit and here - all contracting each other and stating that the others don't speak for CODE.
Normally it is just easier to assume you're all doing PR stunts or just full of "it" (no offence).

Perhaps some public website with your official statements and actual codes of practice would go a long way to clearing things up?
Then if anyone speaks out of turn or behaves in a way not in line with your own rules, people would have a point of contact for CODE and you could stop people tarnishing your good name.

They actually do have a public website. Did you even search for it or just assume they didn't? I'm no fan of CODE but how do you expect to be taken seriously if you don't even take the effort to check something before making a statement...

Gluttony, first thing you need to realize, ANY member of CODE who posts something is considered to represent the entirety of CODE, regardless of what you say about them having their own opinions and not actually representing CODE, that's how this works, so you need to start thinking on that if you are being the faceman. That's been part of my duties as XO of SRM for 20 years, anything ANY of my crew posted anywhere reflected on SRM, so my crew learned to be careful with their words or else.

Pirates are NOT about freedom, someone's watched way too much Disney, pirates are bad guys, straight up, psychopaths and sociopaths, murderers, thieves and more, they are evil, vile and socially quite unacceptable. They may have a code they follow, rules they live by, but those are enforced by brute force, not high morals.

As to the effect of the blockade on the HO CG, please, it wasn't even a joke and that's fact. It wasn't even started until after the first few goals had been met, rather makes the entire thing beyond silly, it becomes pure griefing, that's it. Which is fine, you are pirates, doing that is part of the job after all, but don't try and be high and mighty and all that, it makes you look like absolute jokes at best. Own the fact that you were doing this simply to annoy people and kill defenseless players, that makes you something to be feared MORE. Instead..well...jokes are the best you can hope to be at this point, you already blew that one.

And the OP making it so very clear that Code makes a practice of exploiting the game mechanics...yeah...you aren't going to distance your group from THAT no matter what you do. Driving players away from Open is bad for business, and that is ALL that is being done by the recent actions of Code and the posts from it's members. That's a bad thing for the game, and it's bad for anyone wanting to be a pirate. Cutting off your nose to spite your face isn't a very good move...

This is very much true. You represent your movement. Saying that each memeber "of course has their own opinion" is a cheap cop-out. If you are as organised as you claim to be as a movement, the least we could expect is you speaking as one voice. It also makes me wonder how big a part GluttonyFang actually plays within CODE. What I take from this thread and the many, many others that have been rambling on about the whole CG / CODE thing is that he certainly likes arguing about it a lot. And I mean, a lot. So much that at a certain point I can't stop but wonder, Gluttony, what do you enjoy more, actually playing Elite, or having fierce discussions about it?

As to the point of this discussion; there's too much whining. OP has a point, but he chose to express it in a very, very annoying way (as mentioned many times). Doesn't mean he's not right on some accounts though. You take a risk when venturing in open, you accept that risk. If there is a more or less organized group that opposes your goal, you gotta get organized yourself and find some way of protection to achieve that goal despite. Or you can just take your chances and do it by yourself, but you have NO RIGHT to come here complaining about getting shot. That being said, CODE messed this one up. All the reasons given for their attempt to blockade this CG were.. well.. sCrap. If you actually have a code, than abide by it. If there is some CG that you can't find a logical, RP reason for to block? Let it go. This was one of those occassions. Yet you chose to make up reasons to intervene that were quite absurd. And if you don't take your own code seriously, why the hell should other players take you seriously?

 

[Jockey79]

They actually do have a public website. Did you even search for it or just assume they didn't? I'm no fan of CODE but how do you expect to be taken seriously if you don't even take the effort to check something before making a statement....

Not seen a link for it - and you didn't provide one, clearly.
No one else around here searches for anything, so why should I - been having to repeat myself over in the mega thread for 9 months as no one will search for information.

If you cannot beat them ....