Soontill Relics, the Regor Permit Sector and DB's cryptic hints....

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Agreed, and that is the frustrating thing. There were a lot of in-game theories and some have only been tested half heartedly it seems. There was a post listing all the stuff that's been tried but its not been updated for a while.

Now the UA drops have dried up and the last few people who held on to them don't seem to have the motivation to try new stuff or pass them on to the folks that do. I think we're at a dead end with this at the moment. Would be nice to get hold of a Sap-8 though, if just to rule of the theory they contain UA's.


Could the lack of UA convoys mean they're now obsolete? Its been stated that the answers were much simpler than first thought and could be found by in-game means. I doubt FD would have removed them from circulation without replacing them with the next clue.

I agree with Erimus, the answer to the ua riddle is going to be something simple (ish). I applaud all those who have tried complex solutions involving sound analysis etc, but I don't believe FD would build such a complex solution into what is "just a game". So, the answer is going to be simple, something like take the ua to the correct system (possibly a system with SAP in it's name) and let it connect to it's creators. I dunno what will happen when it does "phone home", but that's another story (possibly involving death rays and a rather fast and grizzly demise!). Anyway, don't over analyse this, keep trying the simple in game stuff, that's the answer I'm sure.

I think the convoys appearing at the end of 1.2 were transports trying to deliver these unknown artefacts to a facility where they could be studied and then packaged in Sap-8 core containment modules, hence why sightings of specifically "unknown artefacts" have been either very rare in 1.3 or no longer possible. From what I recall, these seemed to be operations agreed upon (either separately or even together) by the Federation and Empire, given reports that convoys allied to each of them had carried them. The ones we players kept during the 1.3 crossover are in all likelihood the only ones left. If all they are, as suggested in the past, are markers that indicate that something is amiss, then there may not be much else to them.

The enigmatic missions requiring Elite status all seem to be curious minds, possibly in league with or rivals to the Dark Wheel, trying to obtain these secret items for themselves. To what end we don't know, but they seem to form the next part of the story. Maybe by completing enough of these missions collectively, the next chapter will unfold. Or if a lot of one type of mission are completed, one of three outcomes might emerge, if the three mission types correspond to three different rival agencies.

At this stage, less than a month since 1.3 emerged, there has to be more to come. Why are the Federation and Empire looking at them? Is it a joint operation? What does Dark Wheel want? Is the Lady Kahina, in her recent travels to Sol and now Achenar, really involved in this?

And as far as outlandish theories goes, considering that an elite rank is necessary, could this all even be a shadow operation by the Pilots Federation?
 
OK CMDRS, jokes apart, I'm following this thread and READING it since the beginning of all this UA madness.
The point, for me, is that we had just ONLY AND ONLY ONE HINT: LISTEN TO IT!
So, ok selling it, throwing it away, shooting it, let two of them meet, feed it, scan it, let it decay, and so on.

But I think that the solution is related to just LISTENING TO IT. I mean, the sound is KEY: perhaps it should change in some particular occasions, revealing its secret.
Think to the Babel Fish! You put it in your hear and you can understand other languages: something like that! Put the UA near something, and its sound will "translate", I dont know, really.

I repeat it, the sound is the key: you can try everything you like, but it has to do with LISTENING TO THE UA after that.
Or explain to me the meaning of that just one hint.

Yes but the whole point is, too experiment with the sound we have to stabilize it first and be able to transport it because the only theory left that has not been really tested is the location effecting the output.
 
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Yes but the whole point is, too experiment with the sound we have to stabilize it first and be able to transport it because the only theory left that has not been really tested is the location effecting the output.

Exactly! I'm not talking about "analyzing" the sound like a lot of people did in the past. I'm just talking about listening to it in the "right place". Perhaps, approaching to a particular zone or System, its sound becomes clearer? I don't know. Yes, there is the transport problem to solve...
I will be Elite soon and then I will try that particular Sap-8 mission myself btw...
 
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I think the convoys appearing at the end of 1.2 were transports trying to deliver these unknown artefacts to a facility where they could be studied and then packaged in Sap-8 core containment modules, hence why sightings of specifically "unknown artefacts" have been either very rare in 1.3 or no longer possible. From what I recall, these seemed to be operations agreed upon (either separately or even together) by the Federation and Empire, given reports that convoys allied to each of them had carried them. The ones we players kept during the 1.3 crossover are in all likelihood the only ones left. If all they are, as suggested in the past, are markers that indicate that something is amiss, then there may not be much else to them.

The enigmatic missions requiring Elite status all seem to be curious minds, possibly in league with or rivals to the Dark Wheel, trying to obtain these secret items for themselves. To what end we don't know, but they seem to form the next part of the story. Maybe by completing enough of these missions collectively, the next chapter will unfold. Or if a lot of one type of mission are completed, one of three outcomes might emerge, if the three mission types correspond to three different rival agencies.

At this stage, less than a month since 1.3 emerged, there has to be more to come. Why are the Federation and Empire looking at them? Is it a joint operation? What does Dark Wheel want? Is the Lady Kahina, in her recent travels to Sol and now Achenar, really involved in this?

And as far as outlandish theories goes, considering that an elite rank is necessary, could this all even be a shadow operation by the Pilots Federation?


I think (and hope) you're right. Its a good logical next step that makes sense, keeps things ticking over in game, and its pretty straight forward if we step back and look at it.

Sap-8 could well hold the key to the next clue.
 
Agreed, and that is the frustrating thing. There were a lot of in-game theories and some have only been tested half heartedly it seems. There was a post listing all the stuff that's been tried but its not been updated for a while.

Now the UA drops have dried up and the last few people who held on to them don't seem to have the motivation to try new stuff or pass them on to the folks that do. I think we're at a dead end with this at the moment. Would be nice to get hold of a Sap-8 though, if just to rule of the theory they contain UA's.


Could the lack of UA convoys mean they're now obsolete? Its been stated that the answers were much simpler than first thought and could be found by in-game means. I doubt FD would have removed them from circulation without replacing them with the next clue.

Going of my finding experience of locating the UA's I will have a look to see if they are still generating when I am back in civilisation space, as I have a knack for finding them.

With regards to comments to a certain player hoarding them, that is not true.

During the original testing and the extended testing that my group of friends have done on the ua, along with all the other tests that members of the community have done, we put the ua's in storage to hold them for more testing.

Myself (Wishblend) and (Ratking) both have 1 ua.

We knew powerplay was coming in 1.3 so we waited to see if anything new happened, we even tried synchronised sounds by getting Ratking to jettison both at the same time.

As I wanted to do a run on the core and back for the exploration community goal, I gave my ua to Ratking to hold so that we didn't loose it and the option for future testing.

The latest test that we came up with was the sap 8 core thing that we knew about in the 1.3 beta, thinking that it might react to the ua, we decided to hang on to them until one was located in game so that we could test to see if it reacts in any way to the ua.

At this time, the sap 8 core thing can only be found in Elite missions in empire space that I know off, but as you can sell it it on the community board as salvageable loot, you have to be able to scoop it somewhere.

That is what we are doing with the two ua's that Ratking is holding. 1 = Ratking's & 1 = Wishblend's

How can he be hoarding them when he only has his own and my one?

What about all the other ones that have been located, are they still out there or have they been lost?
 
Yeah, but there are no people out there who want/have time to do some tests with the artifact as it seems. So hard to do anything else but listening to the sounds we already have. I have so many questions.

For example:

1. Are 2 artifacts in the same instance of the same space system playing the same sound?

2. Does the sound change if you carry one artifact to a neighboring-system, leave one where it is and start recording for both artifacts at the same time?

Would be the only way to get info if the sound sequence is position-dependant or time-dependant or if its just something completely different. Even if the sequence is partially dependant to position or time such a recording session could help us.

If we would know that, we could determine what parts of the UA-sound changes when the position changes. And if we can be sure that the sounds are time dependant we could determine if its a countdown or something like this.

We just have not enough data to go on at the moment.

What if we don't need more data, what if we need dumb luck.
If we put our self in EDs position. They made a hard to get, very valuble item. They would expect player to sell it as soon as possible.
If they added some secret, they would like player to discover it, perhaps by accident.
Then MB shows up with his "listen to it" comment. This destroys all natural player behaviour.

So what is natural to do when you have a UA:
- Take UA to the right system/station
- Sell UA at right station.
- Run reboot-repair on sub-systems after taking damage from UA.
- Accidentally chaffing or ECMing it when it drops from T9

There is probably more. Please add.
 
Going of my finding experience of locating the UA's I will have a look to see if they are still generating when I am back in civilisation space, as I have a knack for finding them.

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What about all the other ones that have been located, are they still out there or have they been lost?

I think all the other ones have been lost, unfortunately.

Have all your UA's been located in Open, or have you seen any in Solo/Group?
 
@ Wishblend

They've probably been lost or sold by now, or people just aren't active with them since they're difficult to live with. There was a time when players who had them would try different theories, and pass them on to others to try other stuff. The one I briefly had was donated by another player, and unfortunately I never had much time to pursue some ideas so in turn I passed it on to the next guy.

I've just been PMd by one of your group stating "I am holding it because the theories I were seeing weren't worth trying in my book". So its good to hear you're actively using them on theories that you deem worth trying. Is there an updated list of what's been tried and what hasn't, and what's not going to be? Would come in handy for those still pitching ideas.
 
Just a idea, you most likely tried that.

It came with wings right ?
Have you tried to drop 4 of them simultaneously while in the wing?
 
New player, on Xbox One.

I'm trying to digest the thread as best I can. I have a very basic question: How were/are these UA's found? Just another contact (Signal Source) in space? NPC's? I'd like to try and see if I can run some down in the console version just to see if they're present. I might not be able to do much with them, but I can at least confirm they exist.

Also, have the minerals (Painite and Hafnium 178) been found/mined yet? If not, any idea where folks have looked?
 
New player, on Xbox One.

I'm trying to digest the thread as best I can. I have a very basic question: How were/are these UA's found? Just another contact (Signal Source) in space? NPC's? I'd like to try and see if I can run some down in the console version just to see if they're present. I might not be able to do much with them, but I can at least confirm they exist.

Also, have the minerals (Painite and Hafnium 178) been found/mined yet? If not, any idea where folks have looked?

Usually SSS (Strong Source Signals), you need a good ship or better a wing. Type 9 carries them, you can wait for it to corode the T9's hold and ninja scoop it. They may jump before you get the chance to do something so you need a Wake Scanner. Same for Painite and Hafnium, they ar found in signal sources.

P.S. Guys knowing more, feel free to correct me :)
 
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New player, on Xbox One.

I'm trying to digest the thread as best I can. I have a very basic question: How were/are these UA's found? Just another contact (Signal Source) in space? NPC's? I'd like to try and see if I can run some down in the console version just to see if they're present. I might not be able to do much with them, but I can at least confirm they exist.

Also, have the minerals (Painite and Hafnium 178) been found/mined yet? If not, any idea where folks have looked?

They were originally found in NPC convoys in certain systems. Check this thread out for more details

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=142106

It hasn't been updated for a while though so I'm not sure how relevant the info is now.
 
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While the SAP-8 Core Container to UA connection sounds good, how does it fit in with the in-game description:

This container holds a crystalline shard of unknown origin. Scans indicate that the foot long shard is suspended inside a modified, self-sustaining, fusion-core containment field. Any breach of the field will result in the containers destruction.

If there's already some kind of shard in there, why do you need to put the UA in as well? How do you get it into the container, without breaching the field and destroying the container?

I also did some googling, and found SAP8 is an enzyme that increases the virulence of certain infections (and so ties in with the Peregrina plague and He Bo) but I think that's just pure coincidence.
 
Earlier today I came into possession of one of these 'SAP 8 Core Containers' when some poor sap from the Dark Wheel had a drone fly up his T-9's cargo hatch. These 'Strong Signal Sources' can be mighty dangerous places for traders... Luckily for him I was around to make sure it didn't float away into the void, although he didn't seem to appreciate this act of kindness for whatever reason.

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After looking a little closer at the thing, I'm not sure why it's called a SAP container. There didn't seem to be any juice in it, it certainly didn't make a sloshing sound when I shook it a little by accidentally bumping into it. In fact, it didn't seem to make any particularly interesting sound at all. Based on just looking at it, this SAP container didn't appear very special after all. The darn thing looked just like any old cargo container!

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But I just happen to have a buddy at the black market who's an expert in these kind of things... He thought that there's some kind of crystal in there. The snobby eggheads from yesterday who'll only talk to me after I get an Elite rank in trading seemed to believe it had a crystal in it as well, although they also mentioned it might be used to store data somehow. The folks at Tinia gave me a cool 349,145 CR as promised for handing this thing over to them and that was the end of it.

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Usually SSS (Strong Source Signals), you need a good ship or better a wing. Type 9 carries them, you can wait for it to corode the T9's hold and ninja scoop it. They may jump before you get the chance to do something so you need a Wake Scanner. Same for Painite and Hafnium, they ar found in signal sources.

P.S. Guys knowing more, feel free to correct me :)

You would be looking for Federal Navy (or Imperial Navy, perhaps, but this is unconfirmed IIRC) convoys in SSS (thus in Federation and possibly Imperial space).
These typically include 3 Type 9s and several support ships (Dropships, Vultures, etc).
You can determine if you have found a UA Convoy (rather than another convoy such as Hafnium) because of text chat from the convoy complaining about weird goings-on, or just Cargo scan the Type 9s.
Probably best bet is to wait for UA to corrode out of the cargo bay rather than try to take it by force - but as noted you'd need a wake scanner (and interdictor?) to follow the ship through any jumps.
The spawn rate for UA convoys is very rare though.

As for Painite and Hafnium, these are also available in SSS Convoys and are not as rare spawns.
Painite and Osmium (other new metal/mineral) should be minable now, from Pristine Metallic Asteroids if I heard right.
I think Hafnium 178 is just a commodity rather than a minable mineral/metal?
 
New player, on Xbox One.

I'm trying to digest the thread as best I can. I have a very basic question: How were/are these UA's found? Just another contact (Signal Source) in space? NPC's? I'd like to try and see if I can run some down in the console version just to see if they're present. I might not be able to do much with them, but I can at least confirm they exist.

Also, have the minerals (Painite and Hafnium 178) been found/mined yet? If not, any idea where folks have looked?

Welcome, dear XBONER! Join the madness that is the mystery of the UA!!!
 
Usually SSS (Strong Source Signals), you need a good ship or better a wing. Type 9 carries them, you can wait for it to corode the T9's hold and ninja scoop it. They may jump before you get the chance to do something so you need a Wake Scanner. Same for Painite and Hafnium, they ar found in signal sources.
P.S. Guys knowing more, feel free to correct me

They were originally found in NPC convoys in certain systems. Check this thread out for more details
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=142106

It hasn't been updated for a while though so I'm not sure how relevant the info is now.

You would be looking for Federal Navy (or Imperial Navy, perhaps, but this is unconfirmed IIRC) convoys in SSS (thus in Federation and possibly Imperial space).
These typically include 3 Type 9s and several support ships (Dropships, Vultures, etc).
You can determine if you have found a UA Convoy (rather than another convoy such as Hafnium) because of text chat from the convoy complaining about weird goings-on, or just Cargo scan the Type 9s.
Probably best bet is to wait for UA to corrode out of the cargo bay rather than try to take it by force - but as noted you'd need a wake scanner (and interdictor?) to follow the ship through any jumps.
The spawn rate for UA convoys is very rare though.

As for Painite and Hafnium, these are also available in SSS Convoys and are not as rare spawns.
Painite and Osmium (other new metal/mineral) should be minable now, from Pristine Metallic Asteroids if I heard right.
I think Hafnium 178 is just a commodity rather than a minable mineral/metal?


Thank you very much for the info!

Looks like i have some mechanics to master (Wake Scanning, tracking ships through jumps). Needing a wing is going to be a pain. Over the weekend I ran through the starting systems (LHS 3447, Eravate and Freyja) in Open, and didn't see a single player, even though people were complaining about pirates killing new players. Any ship recommendations?

Welcome, dear XBONER! Join the madness that is the mystery of the UA!!!

:) Thanks. I was looking for a goal (other than amass an amazing amount of credits), and this seems like a good one. Hopefully I can find one, and get a recording of it since I won’t be able to transfer it to anyone.

EDIT: I have no idea why the formatting of the quotes is so messed up.
 
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