Yeah but id argue that SA needs more animals than Australia to feel complete. There are just more species to South america than australia, when it comes to Zoo "essentials" atleast.
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Yeah aside from the echidna and mabey a lizard Australia would feel complete. What isn't complete is the rest of Oceania which I also hope gets a boost this year. To sum it up... TREE KANGAROO.
It isn’t that SA has more essential animals - it’s just that it hasn’t yet received it’s essential animals (monkeys). All that’s needed for SA to be as (proportionally) well represented as Australia is 2 species of monkey.
I dreamed that the next pack got announced and it was a "Random" piece pack with pieces that had no cohesion between each other and the only animals it included were the aye-aye and kakapo. I was very very angry at my dream.
Let's hope this isn't a prophecy.
Let's hope this isn't a prophecy.
Well I don't think nessacarily that they both need an equal amount of animals. I think that Oceania could use a couple more imo, but South America needs like an entire animal pack, and even that might not be enough. It's not called the most biodiverese place on the planet for nothing.
My personal list:
Oceania:
Tasmanian Devil
North Island Brown Kiwi
Little Blue Penguin
Goodfellow's Tree Kangaroo
South America:
Black Howler Monkey
Geoffrey's Spider Monkey
Golden Lion Tamarin
Spectacled Bear
Patagonia Mara
Linne's Two-Toed Sloth
Greater Rhea
Ocelot
Southern Tamandua
South American Coati
I mean im also agreeing, but it just didnt help that we only got one really important SA animal being the capybara and maybe also the maned wolf, while getting the by far 2 most important australian ones.
My personal list for what id call essential or atleast really good inclusions would be:
Oceania:
South America:
My personal list for what id call essential or atleast really good inclusions would be:
Oceania:
- A second Wallaby
- Short Beaked Echidna
- Black Swan
- Tree Kangaroo
- Victoria Crowned Pidgeon
- A monitor
- Pig Nosed Turtle
- Solomon Island Skink
South America:
- 5 Monkeys
- Patagonian Mara
- A Rhea
- South American Coati
I don’t think that even 2 SA animal pack would fulfill my need for South America animals.
I also have a lot of favorites from Oceania but I would fit them in to one scenery pack which would be a nice twist from expected Islands pack.
Oceania / Islands pack:
Tassie
Tree kangaroo
Echidna
Kiwi
SA double animal pack:
Sloth
Coati
Howler
Spider monkey
Peccary
Ocelot
Spectacled bear
Patagonian mara
Vicuña
Tamandua
Kinkajou
Rhea
Manatee
Pudu
WE: Macaws and Toucans
I also have a lot of favorites from Oceania but I would fit them in to one scenery pack which would be a nice twist from expected Islands pack.
Oceania / Islands pack:
Tassie
Tree kangaroo
Echidna
Kiwi
SA double animal pack:
Sloth
Coati
Howler
Spider monkey
Peccary
Ocelot
Spectacled bear
Patagonian mara
Vicuña
Tamandua
Kinkajou
Rhea
Manatee
Pudu
WE: Macaws and Toucans
To add to this, the imo main difference is that the only reason oceania is closer to a satisfying roster is that 1. Oceania representation is quite underwhelming in most rl zoos outside of oceania and 2. those animals that are quite common aka red necked wallaby, emu, red kangaroo, dingo and cassowary are all in the game by now with 4 additional rarer animals aswell. Besides that oceania has far more unique and interesting animals to add then south america, as only more terrestrial macropods are present in the game allready as our monitors are all not able to climb.
Meanwhile south america doesnt actually lack in unique animals and gameplay niches, but bulk. South america is generally quite well represented with many very common animals but most importantly small monkeys. There are 5 super common tamarin species alone, with marmosets being just as common and even if a zoo doesnt have a south american section, they most likly have south american monkeys, especally if they have something like a tropical house.
Add to that that the 3 most common south american animals all arnt in the game and what we have feels like a disjointed mess of random animals, which are nice but feel unfocused. The only subregion id say we have all we need is the aquatic biome, because while i personally would really like to see a south american fresh water aquarium in the game, for habitat animals 2 caimans, the giant otter and the capbara represent it very well, with only a bird like the rosate spoonbill and scarlet ibis really missing.
Every other subregion has 2 animals max, andes lama and cougar, pampa maned wolf, central america bairds tapir, northern south america nine banded armadillo and capuchin with the jaguar and giant anteater being a little bit of everywhere, amounting to most animals that are added feeling like stand alones without a basic foundation to stand on, which is whats really missing. A strong foundation to build the roster on, something that oceania has and south america doesnt.
Rn its really just 4 animals, Jaguar, Giant Anteater, Capybara and the capuchin, not because of it being special or far spread but literally the only monkey.
So while more South American representation obviously would be nice with me also liking animals like the southern screamer, tamandua or kinkajou, but aslong as we dont have those 3 basic foundation animals in form of the coati and atleast 2 more monkeys for tropical and the rhea and mara for non tropical south america, theyd be in the same position as the wombat and platypus or for this year maned wolf and armadillo, adding new stuff that while cool doesnt fill the holes that make the region feel incomplete. They just add bulk of special animals when those super generic common animals are really whats missing.
For me, South America is the zone who needs more representation actually. We have almost a perfect representation of Africa and Asia, only 1 or 2 animals are very requested, like the fossa, red river hog or Lar Gibbon. The same with Oceania, but we already have 3 or 4 animals that we need, like the kiwi or the tree kangaroo. From Europe we need at least 1 or 2 animals, but for now is very well represented, maybye a Wild Boar and other animal. But, from South America, we have too much animals that are or a must or very requested, for mention some animals, the tamarins, spider monkeys, howler monkeys, coatis, rheas, spectacled bears, sloths, maras, and a long etc. We had a very good South American inclusions with the armadillo and the maned wolf, animals that were made so well and fit so good in game, but for now, we really need more South American Animals.
For this lack of SA animals, a Rainforest Animal Pack could be the best bet for us. With 3 South Animals, 2 African, 1 Asian, and 1 Oceanian should be good enough. And for the surprise, maybye the WE animal will be the inclusion of the macaws, with 2 or 3 should be perfect, they are just the perfect first flying bird to implement and their models aren't too difficult to do.
For this lack of SA animals, a Rainforest Animal Pack could be the best bet for us. With 3 South Animals, 2 African, 1 Asian, and 1 Oceanian should be good enough. And for the surprise, maybye the WE animal will be the inclusion of the macaws, with 2 or 3 should be perfect, they are just the perfect first flying bird to implement and their models aren't too difficult to do.
Again this shows why the wishlist doesn't show the one and only truth. People request more than 1 or 2 species for these areas, they just request it in form of categories over specific species. Most people would agree that these areas need monkeys, birds, and maybe even hoofstock (at least for Asia). The Wishlist just doesn't show it very well, because there are so many species, and people have their own favorites they end up putting on the list. In the end that favorite is not what is important for people. What is important is that something within the category of the chosen animal shows up. Of course, there are always exceptions.
If somebody requests an Egyptian Goose they might be decently satisfied with an African Pygmy Goose. If somebody requests a Javan Langur they will be okay with a Francois' Leaf Monkey instead.
Just like how a lot of the people behind the Lar Gibbon-wish were happy to see the Siamang. Some might still want the Lar, but not enough to justify its current position.
The animals without good alternatives like Fossas, Kiwis, and Tasmanian Devils will always win over the multiple good species spots. That doesn't mean that is all the people want.
Just noticed wallabies and emus have over 600 EAZA holdings each. That's insane. While the wombat and platypus definitkey are I wouldnt say that the koala or Saltwater croc are rare. They still have a fair amount of holdings compared to a lot of other animals.
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The irony: I've never seen an emu but I've seen koalas and wombats
South america could have so many more...like:
Monkeys:
Squirrel Monkey
Howler Monkey
Saki Monkey
Spider Monkey
Golden Lion Tamarin or Cotton-top Tamarin or any Marmoset.
Other arboreal creatures:
Tamandua
South american Coatimundi
Two-toed Sloth
Birds:
Scarlet ibis
Roseate Spoonbill
Rhea
exhibit birds like Toucans and Macaws.
Other filler species:
Patagonian mara
Collared Peccary
Some more carnivorans:
Spectacled bear
Ocelot
Bush Dog
Monkeys:
Squirrel Monkey
Howler Monkey
Saki Monkey
Spider Monkey
Golden Lion Tamarin or Cotton-top Tamarin or any Marmoset.
Other arboreal creatures:
Tamandua
South american Coatimundi
Two-toed Sloth
Birds:
Scarlet ibis
Roseate Spoonbill
Rhea
exhibit birds like Toucans and Macaws.
Other filler species:
Patagonian mara
Collared Peccary
Some more carnivorans:
Spectacled bear
Ocelot
Bush Dog
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Also rheas, maras and coatis
This right here!
A Timeline of satisfaction with Oceanian Habitat representation
Game Launch - Really Frontier? 1 total animal? - much dissatisfaction
After Australia Pack - well, we got 2 of the most basic iconic Australian animals but we still need many more - neutral bordering on still dissatisfied.
After Aquatic Pack - King Penguin barely counts. Still Neutral bordering on dissatisfied.
After Platypus - Great addition, still need about 5 more Habitat animals, including the very common Emu and Wallaby - Neutral
After Wombat - Neutral, same as above but slightly more towards to Satisfied
After Emu/Wallaby - Mostly satisfied, have all the very basics but still have 3 we really need - Somewhat Satisfied
10 habitat animals in total
I feel like once/if we get 2 out of the Tasmanian Devil, Kiwi and Tree kangaroo most of us are going to be satisfied but still hoping for that 1 additional animal.Getting all 3, I could see most of saying they don't need anymore animals from Oceania.
Timeline of South America -
Game Launch - extremely dissatisfied.
After South America pack -still dissatisfied even though it got the most obvious animal, the jaguar in
After Aquatic pack - Two more added in but still fairly dissatisfied, still too many animals needed.
After Wetlands - We got what's probably one of tow most iconic absent SA animal, as well as another animal, but it's still Neutral bordering on dissatisfied.
After Grasslands - took care of another big want and one more animal, but still at best, Neutral happiness at best.
12 habitat animals in total.
I feel like once we get a Sloth, and a couple of New Wold Primates, we'll be Neutral bordering on satisfied, but to push us to over that line we'd need a couple of more animals (Spectacled Bear, Mara, Rhea perhaps)
We have more South American animals than Australia and we're still less than happy with it. I feel like if/once we get those 3 key Oceanian animals we'll probably be satisfied with what we've got, but it's going to take at twice that amount for South America to get us even anywhere near happy.
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The Sumatran Tiger is a strong contender for one of the places in an Island themed pack.
reasoning for it
1. Its a feline
2. Offers a larger option of animal to balance all the ankle biter's suggested
3. Shepreth
4. Tiger's been done before so doesn't require a new rig.
5. It's a tiger. People love tigers. No reasonable person will be upset by it's inclusion.
reasoning for it
1. Its a feline
2. Offers a larger option of animal to balance all the ankle biter's suggested
3. Shepreth
4. Tiger's been done before so doesn't require a new rig.
5. It's a tiger. People love tigers. No reasonable person will be upset by it's inclusion.
Hmm, I would not be "upset" per se, but I would definetely think it would be a wasted slot, there are alot of animals that could re-use existing rig that I would rather see than a third tiger.
yeah, given how much Frontier loves their felines I think it's entirely possible. Which, I'm not clamoring for it, but it is the tiger that's in my local zoo, so I wouldn't be unhappy with it either.
Should've been in the base game over bengal imo. Id love this inclusion, but there's gonna be a large outcry.
I'll challenge this and rather a Malayan tiger because why not