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I can only assume it's on new backer accounts since I started with my usual amount with 3.8 as did the majority of folks I asked. I was assuming it was a bug with some backer accounts starting with 3.8 since every game package starts with in game UEC attached. I noticed that I can't purchase more UEC to add to my acccount and have it immediately available in game any longer...I tried topping up some with store credit after being robbed by server errors to no avail. There was also strange and random starting aUEC amounts during PTU which didn't reflect what anyone actually had tied to their accounts...sometimes even half of what was tied to the account...which makes me think it's a bug rather than policy.

If it is indeed a new policy from Ci¬G...it'll come back and bite them. Dumping new players into the PU with zero credits even when they have a basic 5,000 UEC tied to their pledges isn't a great idea.

I see a lot of long term backers handing out aUEC to new guys, the same as I do...lending ships capable of doing box deliveries if the newbies bought in with a Mustang etc..but taking away a basic amount of starting aUEC leaves new folks without the basic ability to buy even some armour to start off, pay for fuel or fines or pay for expediting fees after a game crash loses their ship.

Anyway, it's a pretty poor decision from whoever made it... if it is a conscious decision rather than a bug or account error.
I went digging and found this:

3.8 LIVE - DEFAULT STARTING AUEC
With the update to our LIVE alpha servers to patch 3.8, the current default starting aUEC for all players has been set to be equal to the amount of UEC that is displayed on your RSI account. This is a change from previous patches and so players may notice a lower starting amount than normal. Keep in mind that any UEC that is contained within a game package is not included in your RSI account's UEC total, as that amount is intended to be added upon the live release of the game.​
Check out our Currencies in Star Citizen guide for details on how to find your RSI account's bonus starting aUEC.
Additionally, to help you start building a balance of funds, these articles may help point you in the right direction to get going:
If you don't have a ship, you can always group up with friends or other players!​
 
Making money is 3.8 has gotten a lot easier. I did lose 200K to trading before I stopped trading this go around, and focused on other efforts. Renting ships in game, or buying them has really opened up a lot of game play.

3 of us created our own Syndicate (Org) and banded together to amass money, but, one of us has been offline this month due to moving So far we have:

upgraded my 600i: Shields, QD, Weapons, remote turrets
upgraded other guys Cutlass Black, same as 600i
Bought two Nox’s in game
Rented the Prospector for several days.

In 3.8 mining is pulling in some serious money. With two Prospectors with upgraded mining heads we can break all rocks we discovered so far.

Next up, maybe buy some M50’s to race around? They go for 700K each.
 
They can start at the bottom, mopping the floor of some whale's Idris.
Only one problem, the whales who own an Idris have no ship for anyone to mop the floor on...I could always give them a job making tea on my Mole I suppose... ;)

It was nice to see tonight that most of the backers with aUEC were helping the newer guys who had nothing...donating cash, helping out with missions and ships or inviting them along to share missions for a payout, dropping weapons and multi-tools for them to use. Ci¬G might be taking the mick with hampering newbies the way they have but others are stepping up to the plate.
 
Sorry, rewind for the dumb guy:

You can stockpile money? And you have groups forming Eve like powers before the game is made / launched?
Only the richest and stupidest players would be/are stock piling UEC. Even by Star Citizen standards it is terrible what you get for your money.

I went mining off and on all day to make money for ship upgrades, maybe 5 hours total. I made just about 250k credits. If I wanted to buy them, it would cost $250.

A better strategy which is/does happen is people buy extra ships with the intention to sell them in game for in game credits once/if the game goes live.
 

Viajero

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Only the richest and stupidest players would be/are stock piling UEC. Even by Star Citizen standards it is terrible what you get for your money.

I went mining off and on all day to make money for ship upgrades, maybe 5 hours total. I made just about 250k credits. If I wanted to buy them, it would cost $250.

A better strategy which is/does happen is people buy extra ships with the intention to sell them in game for in game credits once/if the game goes live.
Yeah, ships are the de facto crypto currency of SC. But direct purchase of either credits or ships is just 2 sides of the same coin (unlimited credit hoarding) and whose relative value or cost in real money will be tweaked by CIG as necessary when necessary. Ie if ship sales stopped (haha) direct credit purchase could become more affordable or gain in game purchasing power etc.
 
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I'd suggest the intended behaviour is to pre-emptively force new players to sign up with an org...which is as equally insidious in my book. There have been some really questionable decisions since that Admirals's club dinner and soire thing with the snake oil salesman...all of the attendees were major org players...and all of them made the point that Ci¬G weren't supporting org play to a greater extent...and old Chrissie boy likes the big spenders... who are predominantly orgs and not individual backers as is oft imagined on here. :cautious:

The whole place is stinking up with Eve in cockpits wannabes...
That doesnt sound good at all...... if this is the case, the problem CIG will have to contend with (going on ED details according to the devs as I understand it), it seems that those players who love playing in big guild type play, whilst being really vocal are actually not a majority....... The majority of players are actually either single players or a few mates playing together.
Now, forcing players hands and pushing them to get into a guild would maybe work if there were no other games and if games like this were the only type in town, but my guess is that a significant number of players if presented with the choice of guild up or play something else would do the latter.

Maybe guild players pay more money than lone wolves individually..... I dare say that is likely enough true to almost call it a fact.... but it is also a fact that they will make zero money from a player who has moved away from the game. IF when I do start playing I feel the game is forcing me to join a player guild/org or what ever you want to call it, I will definitely call it a day for Star Citizen. I am but 1 player so no loss to CIG but how many like me are there?
 
Good luck balancing a game with such disparate players states and wealth. Though they also have a mountain to climb to balance a game with the mess their ship roster is already. Though they will have hard time debugging all their micros systems that barely are aware of each others, and balance the 'Verse's economy across this.
 
Let's say the game launches.

I decide to get a basic package.

I enter the game. My first enouncer is with Org touts trying to get me to join their Org. Milsim jerkwads standing around saluting officers in their Org. Landing pads full of Org ships, nowhere to spawn my poor lone ship (remember, thousands of people on a server!) People saying if i don't join their org i'll be destroyed (come on, its going to happen, we've seen some pitiful attempts like this in ED as well where people can just laugh it off and switch mode). I head to a terminal with my pitiful starting credits to buy somehting but discover the orgs have bought everything on the market to fill their Hull E's or whatever. Now i have to wait for an immersion time in the hope that i can get a box of anything. Finally i get a box, and finally a landing pad is free and can spawn a ship. I proudly walk to my ship, box in hands. I hestiantly take off, eager to head out into the 'verse and make a profit. Then some jerk pad rams me while sending through the comms "git gud". I uninstall.
 
Hi
So I just read the following

it seems far more convoluted than it needs to be. I get aUEC - its alpha etc etc, so IF they were giving you loads of aUEC - more than the actualy amount of UEC you will get at launch that would make sense, but it seems to be completely the opposite of that.

on top of that REC makes even less sense.. am i reading that right? the game has an entirely separate currancy for when you want to rent a ship? why not merge that with UEC (or aUEC if they do not want arena commander to earn in game money officially once the game goes live?)

i know i am an outsider to the game so perhaps it all makes sense once you play for a few hrs - which is ok if it does - but it all seems counter intutive to me.
 
Let's say the game launches.

I decide to get a basic package.

I enter the game. My first enouncer is with Org touts trying to get me to join their Org. Milsim jerkwads standing around saluting officers in their Org. Landing pads full of Org ships, nowhere to spawn my poor lone ship (remember, thousands of people on a server!) People saying if i don't join their org i'll be destroyed (come on, its going to happen, we've seen some pitiful attempts like this in ED as well where people can just laugh it off and switch mode). I head to a terminal with my pitiful starting credits to buy somehting but discover the orgs have bought everything on the market to fill their Hull E's or whatever. Now i have to wait for an immersion time in the hope that i can get a box of anything. Finally i get a box, and finally a landing pad is free and can spawn a ship. I proudly walk to my ship, box in hands. I hestiantly take off, eager to head out into the 'verse and make a profit. Then some jerk pad rams me while sending through the comms "git gud". I uninstall.
Yeah I am beginning to fear this could be the case as well.... .My hope is now pretty much riding on this :-


It may be that CIG are down playing this at the moment as they want to get as much money as they can from the EVE type players.... but it does appear that private servers are gonna be a thing - even if they are not currently talkiing about it - otherwise surely selling a guide which they have zero interest in ever delivering from would be an easy win of a law suit that even I could win?.

PS... What the hell.... since when does a gift card cost MORE than the value of the credit on the giftcard?

I hate gift cards at the best of times....... if <insert distant relative here> wants to get me a present but has no idea what i want that is fine..... but dont give me a piece of paper worth £10 which is only usable in a limited number of ways and offers zero protection if the company goes bust... just give me £10....... I get it if a £50gift card cost £45, but when they are like for like they are rubbish... but when they cost MORE than the value on them? utter nonsence. (and yes I do have friends who had woolworths and zavvi gift cards back in the day, thanfully i didnt!)

 
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Yeah I am beginning to fear this could be the case as well.... .My hope is now pretty much riding on this :-


It may be that CIG are down playing this at the moment as they want to get as much money as they can from the EVE type players.... but it does appear that private servers are gonna be a thing - even if they are not currently talkiing about it - otherwise surely selling a guide which they have zero interest in ever delivering from would be an easy win of a law suit that even I could win?.

PS... What the hell.... since when does a gift card cost MORE than the value of the credit on the giftcard?

I hate gift cards at the best of times....... if <insert distant relative here> wants to get me a present but has no idea what i want that is fine..... but dont give me a piece of paper worth £10 which is only usable in a limited number of ways and offers zero protection if the company goes bust... just give me £10....... I get it if a £50gift card cost £45, but when they are like for like they are rubbish... but when they cost MORE than the value on them? utter nonsence. (and yes I do have friends who had woolworths and zavvi gift cards back in the day, thanfully i didnt!)

Yes, the gift cards are awful and they count as store credit too, so cannot be used to purchase "warbond" (fresh cash only) ships/packages).
 
it seems far more convoluted than it needs to be.
As convoluted as any P2W. But SC is not P2W.

It may be that CIG are down playing this at the moment as they want to get as much money as they can from the EVE type players.... but it does appear that private servers are gonna be a thing - even if they are not currently talkiing about it - otherwise surely selling a guide which they have zero interest in ever delivering from would be an easy win of a law suit that even I could win?.
Haha, no way they'll make private server, not when all their business model rely on selling each and every piece that can be sold, even things they don't have any clue how and if they'll make them.

PS... What the hell.... since when does a gift card cost MORE than the value of the credit on the giftcard?
Welcome in the marvelous 'Verse of Star Citizen.

Even if they manage to make a robust finished product, it's already rotting inside.
 

Viajero

Volunteer Moderator
Hi
So I just read the following

it seems far more convoluted than it needs to be. I get aUEC - its alpha etc etc, so IF they were giving you loads of aUEC - more than the actualy amount of UEC you will get at launch that would make sense, but it seems to be completely the opposite of that.

on top of that REC makes even less sense.. am i reading that right? the game has an entirely separate currancy for when you want to rent a ship? why not merge that with UEC (or aUEC if they do not want arena commander to earn in game money officially once the game goes live?)

i know i am an outsider to the game so perhaps it all makes sense once you play for a few hrs - which is ok if it does - but it all seems counter intutive to me.
You have already probably given it more thought then CIG has :)

Regarding your suit... If you have accepted any of the latest (and multiple) revisions of their TOS chances are you have shut down yourself of any possibility to sue at all.
 
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Yeah I am beginning to fear this could be the case as well.... .My hope is now pretty much riding on this :-

There was a talking heads with Lando and 4 others a couple of years back where the subject of private servers came up. the response at the time was "This will be the absolute last thing we do, after everything else is finished... one of us might be dead by then..."

Read into that what you may ;)
 
My hope is now pretty much riding on this :-
There was a talking heads with Lando and 4 others a couple of years back where the subject of private servers came up. the response at the time was "This will be the absolute last thing we do, after everything else is finished... one of us might be dead by then..."

Read into that what you may ;)
Yeah Viajero sourced this recently:

I don’t think swooping down on Lava Planet 56 in VR while your modded wingmen perform defensive barrel rolls is happening anytime soon ;)
 
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