Star Citizen Discussion Thread v12

Internal tools for CIG only (like Fdev with Cobra).

"dependent on the continued funding" like any other company. No funding, no company.
I guess they develop their tools since the ILLFONIC debacle (2015 ?). If so, 6 years of development on a game engine is not negligible.
It seems to me they they just use the plugins that anyone can use for Lumberyard. Speedtree for example.

Also...
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"dependent on the continued funding" like any other company. No funding, no company.
I guess they develop their tools since the ILLFONIC debacle (2015 ?). If so, 6 years of development on a game engine is not negligible.

Yes, like any other company, except normally that funding comes from internal where they have a budget and plans. CIG seem to think backers money and time are infinite resources.

Most companies release products and succeed or fail based on what they release.

CIG so far are succeeding based on fairy dust and dreams. If the faith of backers falter the wallets will close, and the dream will be over, without a released product.
 
I wonder how a backer would feel if he found out his donation was used to buy the doughnuts Sandi tried to humiliate Ben with?
Honestly speaking I feel that should be okay. You could argue how sensible or needed futuristic custom sliding doors or barista-level 10K coffe machines (plus staff) are but stuff like beverages, morale-boosting items and such? All fair game IMO...part of development requirements really. And stuff like futuristic furniture become okay once the game goes life and the company makes the transition to a marketing front at which point a nice looking entrance underlining your whole "meta" is nice to have.

That goes for your specific example only tho. Personally I think CiG has thrown out and wasted enormous amounts of money left and right over the years for various reasons. Greed, stupidity, incompetence, stubborness and ego...take your pick. Its like a bag full of kittens, regardless where you poke...you gonna get a MEOW out of it.
 
Yes, like any other company, except normally that funding comes from internal where they have a budget and plans. CIG seem to think backers money and time are infinite resources.
And it seems they think right. Perhaps because a lot of backers (new and old) have fun or enjoy the alpha already ?

Most companies release products and succeed or fail based on what they release.
CIG so far are succeeding based on fairy dust and dreams. If the faith of backers falter the wallets will close, and the dream will be over, without a released product.
Fairy dust and dreams ? Faith of backers ? Maybe two years ago. Atm despite the bugs, there is already a game. You can pretend not to see it here, hiding it behind a meticulous collection of all the bug's videos available on the web but you can "play" the alpha and not just test it. And all new backers that don't ask for a refund see it also. And they give money to CIG because they like what they see and love the ships released by CIG (fun fact, owning a ship in SC is really enjoyable).

You can succeed on an alpha. Releasing or not the product is not the sole factor (Minecraft, Valheim, Subnautica, Star Citizen, etc). And for what I know, it seems that SC is greatly succeeding.

"If the faith of backers falter the wallets will close" : but it's too late my friend, the wallets will not close. If the wallets had not close 2 years ago when the alpha was in a very poor state, it will not close now that the alpha is much more playable and pretty and with more gameplay mechanisms...
 
CIG will not stop to make solo games after the SQ42 release. They make tools to develop games, prepare to hear about them for a long time if SQ42 is a success.
If you haven't notice, CR has great ambitions for his company. He wants to be equal to Rockstar.
They spend a lot of ressources to create a game engine and they will use it after SQ42.
CIG is developing the Star Engine to get on par to the Cobra and Rage engine on it's first game.

Oo you've said it three times. It will now become true.
 
They were huge succes before being released.
You also didn't have to wonder where Subnautica was in development. Unlike CIG, Unknown Worlds made their progress very open and public:

 
Are Star Marine or ArenaCommander considered like release products?
That would say a lot on what to expect for their next releases.

Also, I wonder if those pipes are finally in the game...

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/6chhtg Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/6chhtg/pipe_system_question/

3 years ago... wow

CR was waffling on about them at the end of the last year. He sounded like he wanted to refactor all the ships to actually put the pipes in them and model the air flowing through them. The guy is out of his gourd.
 
And it seems they think right. Perhaps because a lot of backers (new and old) have fun or enjoy the alpha already ?


Fairy dust and dreams ? Faith of backers ? Maybe two years ago. Atm despite the bugs, there is already a game. You can pretend not to see it here, hiding it behind a meticulous collection of all the bug's videos available on the web but you can "play" the alpha and not just test it. And all new backers that don't ask for a refund see it also. And they give money to CIG because they like what they see and love the ships released by CIG (fun fact, owning a ship in SC is really enjoyable).

You can succeed on an alpha. Releasing or not the product is not the sole factor (Minecraft, Valheim, Subnautica, Star Citizen, etc). And for what I know, it seems that SC is greatly succeeding.

"If the faith of backers falter the wallets will close" : but it's too late my friend, the wallets will not close. If the wallets had not close 2 years ago when the alpha was in a very poor state, it will not close now that the alpha is much more playable and pretty and with more gameplay mechanisms...

You think CIG are right in thinking that the time and money available to them is infinite?

Ooooookaaayyy.

So, if its still in alpha in 10 or 20 years, you think people are still going to be throwing money at the project?

Hey, you know, you might be right.

Fairy dust and dreams is what i said and what i mean. Yes, there is a game, of sorts, an alpha. But a lot of what backers dream of doesn't exist and probably never will. That's the fairy dust and dreams i'm referring to.

PS: Interesting to note you ignore the fact that CIG almost ran out of money and had to go begging for cash to stay afloat from a third party.
 
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Minecraft and Subnautica are released products and have not been in alpha for 10 years with macro transactions.

And Valheim could very well be a released product in its current state. Not something that could be said for Star Citizen. If CIG tried to slap a release label on SC right now, they would get totally panned by the gaming press.

"400 million and 10 years for this? You've got to be joking!" would be the general sentiment.
 
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