Star Citizen Discussion Thread v12

There is toxicity in SC. Caused by griefers taking over the discussions obviously but also by the fanbois who say things like 'We are paying for a game for our kids to play' or 'Its fine if it takes another 20 years'. In the middle is the average person who isnt happy with either of these propositions and positions and feels like its out of control.

Some people have forgotten that Star Citizen is a video game. This was mentioned a lot early on but somehow it lost its meaning now that its abundandly clear that it cannot be used in its defense as it could back then.

Set a release date for SQ42 Episode 1, within 2 years and stick to it with regular updates

A nice goal but IMO on par with anything else CiG annonces these days with as much credibility. Chris Roberts, due to his own doing has squandered his biggest quality without a released game to back him up. If CiG would announce such a thing today people simply wouldnt believe it but then....they dont have to and never had to begin with. Star Citizen not reaching its self-proclaimed goals and milestones is CiGs fault alone, nobody elses. Not the haters, not the skeptics, the critics, the hitpieces.

The world not believing something or ridiculing it doesnt avert change or prevents it from happening. CiG was positioned in such a way (by design) that it wasnt dependant on outside goodwill or continuous funding. They got all the money they needed, multiple times over. They had absolutely no pressure from above to come true on their promises. Basically, the SC project could ve gone under for 3 years, go radio silent and release completed without anybody getting a single sneak peek.

Why havent it?

Where the promises too ambitious and challenges too impossible to overcome? Was the funding dramatically underestimated or did the total cost change afterwards? Was there ever a formulated design paper outlining obstacles and timelines or was it always just the infectious loudmouthing by a charismatic but clueless person?

What are the reasons for Star Citizen, this ambitious and promising project to end up 6 years overdue, running out of money, with investors on board dictating things and unforseen obstacles creeping up left right and center and having no end point in sight? Worse....10 years into active development, the IDEA of Star Citizen is as fluid was it was back in 2012, trying to accomodate all opinions, all wishes and by doing so showing a chaotic development that bars believing in its inaptitude and incompetence.

Goodwill, patience and monetary loyalty never have helped and wont help to complete the project. It didnt happen to this point, if anything, the project has become more chaotic, more wild and more impossible then it has been in 2016 because of it.

You prove skeptics and haters wrong by showing results, demonstrating superiority and proving them wrong. Not by laughing at them and stubbornly refusing to listen to their points. Criticism in Star Citizen has always been a sore point. From the first witch hunts to fierce loyalty swarm attacks to unfair moderation and blatant shilling...Star Citizen being believed to be a running scam has its reasons due to the similarity of established scams and this project.

That being said, if CiG would announce another 2 year window until Squadron Ep1 release people would of course wait...what else can they possibly do? Backers have ZERO sway or impact on whats happening on the project. They dont get explanations and whatever they say doesnt change anything.

Star Citizen backers are getting "shroomed" (picked that up in Bosch :D) and its funny because its so true since the earliest days. And I dont believe most posts claiming to be impartial or "not minding" possible results and delays one bit. Today, after a decade of fandom damages are real and painful. Invested people are getting increasingly sore and sensitive, unable to ignore teasing and jokes on their cost. Apart from money lost the misplaced trust and loyalty hurts much more, the continous failures by CiG working right into the haters hands and predictions and the follow-up refusal to acknowledge them.

Living in denial is something I truly understasd since I picked up this debate because of all the examples the shills and loyalists continue to provide on an almost daily basis.

The only people who can TRULY enjoy this show, laugh heartily and joke without remorse are the people outside, the so-called "haters" who point and laugh and populate this thread (I know a lot of posters here are or were actually backers...still). Or people who have truly "given up" on the project ever coming to life. They are able to have a good time and enjoy the watching. The worst that can happen to them is that Star Citiizen, despite all evidence and signs becomes a smashing success.

Oh noes, the horror! Star Citizen becoming a fully released, actual FUN game people can play and enjoy. With qualities and features other game studios admire and envy them for. /sarcasm

If you hold any kind of hope or desire for Star Citizen the project just keeps disappointing you and keeping you at arms lenght. A lot of people already realized this but of course, a sizable number of people isnt that far yet. And this is evident when you listen to any credible source of opinion. People holding out and waiting, being frustrated but keeping precious memories to hold em above water. I consider anybody "credible" who is able to acknowledge reality and seperate facts from wishful thinking. That already renders a lot of white knights and pro-peoples input worthless. Credible sources for Star Citizen are as rare as the projects qualities I m afraid.

Needed but wont happen - Sack the Board of Directors and replace with people who can set targets, communicate them to staff and stick to them. CR becomes Creative Director at best but has a boss who says 'NO WAY! I want results in this timeframe!' The dreaded 'Publisher' who actually makes it happen.

Two problems here. The less likely problem is that the community wouldnt accept new leadership, not the currently loyal and financing part of the community. Some people continue to throw money at Star Citizen and thus representing the true business model of the project simply believing Chris Roberts and his henchmen. if you dont believe the big man himself you simply chose another spokesperson further down the ladder who you like for whatever reasons which essentially is the same. Chris Roberts is so entwined with the project claiming ideas, personality and the projects SOUL that him dropping out would signal complete failure or loss of identity. I cant be sure but too many people rally behind Chris Roberts and his thotts believing despite actual results and reality that whatever reasons they have built internally to keep going would be shattered by the man leaving. Needless to say that Chris Roberts leaving the project would be just the tip of the iceberg because you can safely assume that if he leaves a lot of other people will leave as well thus throwing the whole project in transitional disarray and chaos with mostly the drones remaining who never had a clue whats happening to begin with.

The other reason is that Chris Robert simply wont give up the money teat he found. He will simply squeeze and suck harder than ever to get the last penny before hes cut loose. Whats the shame and embarassment when you have undeserved millions and luxury to comfort yourself with? A persons integrity will determine how far he/she will go with the whole thing. After watching Chris Roberts for a decade actively and learning about his past I cant say I hold much hope for Roberts integrity which provides a pretty dark picture for Star Citizens future and explains its rocky history very well. We can safely assume that money isnt Roberts only desire in this thing (unlike his wifes who left as soon as the money shower dried up). In addition to monetary compensation for his grandness he also seeks personal confirmation to verify his views. His superior imagination and directioral qualities equal to the greatest in the business. Money is a nice consolation but he seeks admiration and reputation. You can see it on his person whenever he stands on stage being applauded and cheered but also in his personal reactions observable in interviews and letters. He actually recognizes failures and mistakes but refuses to own them or blames others for it. His underlings, his fans, his critics even tho he is the ultimate power in this project and has self-admittatly micro-managed it into its current state. Maybe he doesnt anymore but its too late. People wonder for YEARS where Star Citizen is heading and the company working on the dream seems to be unable to provide any answers.....its all very telling.
 
Very nice analysis.

However, counterpoint: There is a sucker born every minute.

Out with the old, in with the new, who will keep funding it for years to come. CIG are still pulling in over 2 million a month.


While true I dont believe that new suckers coming in level out the number of people becoming disgruntled or leaving. Star Citizen has had its biggest influx of cattle at its very beginning when it tapped into the hungry hordes of sci-fi and space simulation fans waiting for something new and flashy. You still have the people who were simply kids and children at the beginning of the project who have raised into a position that allows them to buy whatever they want (by growing up and earning their own money) but this is at best a tickle of new people signing up due to the time involved.

And while Star Citizen warnings and criticism was quickly hidden or shouted over early on its back and forth is a well known phenomenon today and blatantly obvious whenever you look into the matter. Not even CiGs own moderated playground is safe from warnings, criticism and venting anymore. Of course you are correct still and it shows in how completely and unforgivably people "faiiling from faith" are cut lose. It doesnt matter if you were Star Citizens biggest fan, it doesnt matter how much money you spent on the project. You go from cheered-on embrace to isolation and hate in the blink of an eye if you dare to show and sign of resignation or dare to voice your concerns aloud. The effect is that empathic people who didnt have a problem with SC yet will be offended by proxy when they witness the behavior (as I was years ago). With all the talk about "hate" surrounding Star Citizen discussions I cant shake the impression that the actual "hate" is really only located within the pro-SC camp. Thats the people who first brought the term up and who demonstrate the feeling in their very personal and offensive sharings.

I m sure Star Citizen has had a period of growth but I doubt it has been lasting very long. People leaving the project has been a topic since early 2014 and while you can argue that its been the impatient young people who did that I dont think that leaving has ever stopped since then. At most the project holds its backerbase but loses more people than it gets. It explains CiGs "waiting game" because the end isnt Star Citizens completion but the project running out of funding forcing them to close shop. Posts like "I was a skeptic but I ve come to believe" are either fabricated or the exception that proves the rule.

The project simply has no qualities or features that could sway the existing skeptics and naysayers...something that would be necessary for SC to become a success. Today....Star Citizens brightest promise and hope is that it ll actually releases even tho terms like "release" and "actually" are very fluid and changing things when it comes to Star Citizen.
 
The problem is that they A) really can’t come to a conclusion without legs B) Still need to learn the fundamentals why we play space games, and C) the engine tech need to catch up, I believe we now at least regarding engine is in a good place with ED, not so much in SC.

Personally I dont get the fascination with space legs. For me its at best a gimmick, a "bonus" for the meat of the game...nothing more. I understand that standing outside yourship allows you to grab the scope of things and helps with astonishment but still....all of that is at best bonus material to support the game itself. Or....and some games do this....its a perspective the whole game focuses on which means it ll be the centerpiece of the game and possible activitities within.

Star Citizen doesnt do that. It tries to yes but it fails IMO because space legs in Star Citizen are such an integral part that Star Citizen without space legs would be nothing. Only that the attempts to centralize space legs within Star Citizen disrupts and delays everything to a degree that you gotta ask if its worth the effort? Like Braben said "we could do it now but why would we?"

Getting in and out of your seat in Star Citizen is pretty much the only thing the project has going for it because it does it in such high quality and capacity that its still unique even tho other game studios have picked up the feature and implemented their own versions. For being such a centerpiece of attention and resources space legs in Star Citizen are remarkably bad and basic tho....after 10 years of development. Neither does it have animation2.0 nor any of the many promised features for first-person activities. Animations are rocky and glitchy, actually good looking interactions are on par with cutscenes (bartender for example) and not really high praise for the projects ambitions and superiority.

Anything you do with space legs in Star Citizen, running to and from your bed, going to various places, shops etc is basically a time grind and at best helps with "immersion". Immersion is supposed to be a side product of the game tho....not its focus or primary task. Lots of VR games out there who provide that better and cheaper/more reliably. I never understood the long-lasting fascination with space legs.

Yes, its fascinating to wake up and walk around, or enter your ship smoothly without a black screen or instant interruption........for a few times.

Its getting old pretty quick (for me) and so I disregard space legs and look past it to figure out what else Star Citizen has to offer.
Which isnt a whole lot to be honest. Various lists of activities designed to repeat points and future accomplishments for the sake of length would still be tiny and unremarkable if we would allow the same formulating for other games. But of course double bias and all that.

Apart from the visual aspect Star Citizen in general is remarkably bland, shallow and boring. We might agree on individual activities (mining comes to mind) but again...mining is rather the exception that proves the rule here PLUS mining always has been and probably still is a niche activity drawing a tiny percentage of backers who enjoy doing it (I get it...I love mining myself). There is no shortage of claims and lofty promises lifting Star Citizen to the top of the list when it comes to video games in this genre.....sadly most if not all of those promises and claims are hidden behind wundertech-walls, paywalls and a glacial development speed that would make tortoises look like nascars.

What about physics, the flight sim, buildings and interaction options? Why are all these things so barebones, working half the time and being so basic after years of refinement and remoddeling? Why are there no layers of complexity oin Star Citizen? Fleshed out career paths other than make-believe (I m mining...I m a miner), no research, no skills, no abilities? Planetary tech (a grandious term for textures really) is beautiful but an empty feature as again interaction options or uses for it are barebones or nonexisting. Pretty much everything in Star Citizen is catering to the visual appeal....nothing else. Pixel count and flashy effects....eye candy. There is next to no meat on this bone which makes it eyewash. This visual appeal isnt coming on its own and its also not cheap. If you wonder HOW on earth Star Citizen was able to go through MORE than 400 million dollars and being a long loooong way from release the answer is in your face whenever you log in....

...it looks pretty



Thats all.....thats what "space legs" in Star Citizen is. IMO a waste of time and effort because we get it at the cost of an actual and real game. I can long for a game that offers Star Citizens space legs and fidelity on the side, WANT it badly but I m honest and skeptical enough to recognize that Star Citizen is not that game. And probably never has been.
 
While true I dont believe that new suckers coming in level out the number of people becoming disgruntled or leaving. Star Citizen has had its biggest influx of cattle at its very beginning when it tapped into the hungry hordes of sci-fi and space simulation fans waiting for something new and flashy. You still have the people who were simply kids and children at the beginning of the project who have raised into a position that allows them to buy whatever they want (by growing up and earning their own money) but this is at best a tickle of new people signing up due to the time involved.

And while Star Citizen warnings and criticism was quickly hidden or shouted over early on its back and forth is a well known phenomenon today and blatantly obvious whenever you look into the matter. Not even CiGs own moderated playground is safe from warnings, criticism and venting anymore. Of course you are correct still and it shows in how completely and unforgivably people "faiiling from faith" are cut lose. It doesnt matter if you were Star Citizens biggest fan, it doesnt matter how much money you spent on the project. You go from cheered-on embrace to isolation and hate in the blink of an eye if you dare to show and sign of resignation or dare to voice your concerns aloud. The effect is that empathic people who didnt have a problem with SC yet will be offended by proxy when they witness the behavior (as I was years ago). With all the talk about "hate" surrounding Star Citizen discussions I cant shake the impression that the actual "hate" is really only located within the pro-SC camp. Thats the people who first brought the term up and who demonstrate the feeling in their very personal and offensive sharings.

I m sure Star Citizen has had a period of growth but I doubt it has been lasting very long. People leaving the project has been a topic since early 2014 and while you can argue that its been the impatient young people who did that I dont think that leaving has ever stopped since then. At most the project holds its backerbase but loses more people than it gets. It explains CiGs "waiting game" because the end isnt Star Citizens completion but the project running out of funding forcing them to close shop. Posts like "I was a skeptic but I ve come to believe" are either fabricated or the exception that proves the rule.

The project simply has no qualities or features that could sway the existing skeptics and naysayers...something that would be necessary for SC to become a success. Today....Star Citizens brightest promise and hope is that it ll actually releases even tho terms like "release" and "actually" are very fluid and changing things when it comes to Star Citizen.

Yes, i've noticed a shift among certain backers that now the hope is more they get something that can be released rather than dreams.txt writ large.

They are bargaining themselves down from the position that originally got them to "invest" in the first place to a place where they wouldn't have "invested" if it had been like that from the start.

Imagine in 9 years ago CIG had come to the market saying "We will make the best space game ever, but in 9 years it will still be in alpha with 50 players per server cap, just 1 star system (but pinky swear, we will have over 100 eventually) and a few game loops, oh and we will rely on you keeping funding for many years, selling you spaceships for hundreds or thousands of dollars, and we will require at least 500 million to get basic release out of the door, and don't expect SQ42 in that time either"... well, i think we can all understand how badly the project would have failed to get the required funding.

The project depends on hype, faith, and misdirection.
 
Personally I dont get the fascination with space legs. For me its at best a gimmick, a "bonus" for the meat of the game...nothing more. I understand that standing outside yourship allows you to grab the scope of things and helps with astonishment but still....all of that is at best bonus material to support the game itself. Or....and some games do this....its a perspective the whole game focuses on which means it ll be the centerpiece of the game and possible activitities within.

Star Citizen doesnt do that. It tries to yes but it fails IMO because space legs in Star Citizen are such an integral part that Star Citizen without space legs would be nothing. Only that the attempts to centralize space legs within Star Citizen disrupts and delays everything to a degree that you gotta ask if its worth the effort? Like Braben said "we could do it now but why would we?"

Getting in and out of your seat in Star Citizen is pretty much the only thing the project has going for it because it does it in such high quality and capacity that its still unique even tho other game studios have picked up the feature and implemented their own versions. For being such a centerpiece of attention and resources space legs in Star Citizen are remarkably bad and basic tho....after 10 years of development. Neither does it have animation2.0 nor any of the many promised features for first-person activities. Animations are rocky and glitchy, actually good looking interactions are on par with cutscenes (bartender for example) and not really high praise for the projects ambitions and superiority.

Anything you do with space legs in Star Citizen, running to and from your bed, going to various places, shops etc is basically a time grind and at best helps with "immersion". Immersion is supposed to be a side product of the game tho....not its focus or primary task. Lots of VR games out there who provide that better and cheaper/more reliably. I never understood the long-lasting fascination with space legs.

Yes, its fascinating to wake up and walk around, or enter your ship smoothly without a black screen or instant interruption........for a few times.

Its getting old pretty quick (for me) and so I disregard space legs and look past it to figure out what else Star Citizen has to offer.
Which isnt a whole lot to be honest. Various lists of activities designed to repeat points and future accomplishments for the sake of length would still be tiny and unremarkable if we would allow the same formulating for other games. But of course double bias and all that.

Apart from the visual aspect Star Citizen in general is remarkably bland, shallow and boring. We might agree on individual activities (mining comes to mind) but again...mining is rather the exception that proves the rule here PLUS mining always has been and probably still is a niche activity drawing a tiny percentage of backers who enjoy doing it (I get it...I love mining myself). There is no shortage of claims and lofty promises lifting Star Citizen to the top of the list when it comes to video games in this genre.....sadly most if not all of those promises and claims are hidden behind wundertech-walls, paywalls and a glacial development speed that would make tortoises look like nascars.

What about physics, the flight sim, buildings and interaction options? Why are all these things so barebones, working half the time and being so basic after years of refinement and remoddeling? Why are there no layers of complexity oin Star Citizen? Fleshed out career paths other than make-believe (I m mining...I m a miner), no research, no skills, no abilities? Planetary tech (a grandious term for textures really) is beautiful but an empty feature as again interaction options or uses for it are barebones or nonexisting. Pretty much everything in Star Citizen is catering to the visual appeal....nothing else. Pixel count and flashy effects....eye candy. There is next to no meat on this bone which makes it eyewash. This visual appeal isnt coming on its own and its also not cheap. If you wonder HOW on earth Star Citizen was able to go through MORE than 400 million dollars and being a long loooong way from release the answer is in your face whenever you log in....

...it looks pretty



Thats all.....thats what "space legs" in Star Citizen is. IMO a waste of time and effort because we get it at the cost of an actual and real game. I can long for a game that offers Star Citizens space legs and fidelity on the side, WANT it badly but I m honest and skeptical enough to recognize that Star Citizen is not that game. And probably never has been.

I do understand the fascination with space legs. For me it could have waited in ED though, plenty of other things i would have wanted first. But FD did what they wanted, so que sera sera. SC is built from the ground up with space legs in mind, so again, their decision.
 
However, counterpoint: There is a sucker born every minute.

Yes, and Star Citizen looks better now in streams than it did two or three years ago. It really pulls in first time impulse buyers.

Counter counterpoint - How many of them are whales?

How many people consciously became Concierge plus (Admiral is it?) How many just spent bits here and there and over a period of time it all added up? How many bought the 35K package and how many own more ships and spent more money than they ever imagined just drip-feeding and buying the latest ship because it was never bank-breaking at the time? Its a hobby and most hobbies we are willing to spend and spend on over time because we enjoy the hobby.

ED & SC have probably an older audience, even a generational one than most games. The Twitch generation want fast pay off instant gratification or they move on to the next game. And they talk to each other more. Word of mouth works both ways.

How many of them will still be there in 6 months let alone 5 years subscribing to an Alpha to keep that revenue up? How many will make a small one-off purchase and just flush it down the toilet / write it off / forget about it? What will keep them coming back?

SC is losing its core audience, the ones who will pay month after month for an email and a story and a promise of things to come.

PT Barnum ticket sale price was similar at the end of the circus lifetime as at the beginning and he just moved from town to town. SC ship prices are going up and up to account for less actual people buying and theres nowhere left to go. Sunk cost fallacy isnt as powerful with the Millenials not through conscious thought just that theres so much else on offer and its easy to get and actual money means less.

Brand loyalty doesnt mean as much, nor does the 'personal service' individual shops that our grandparents had, we all go to generic supermarkets now, they shop online from faceless stores, 3 or 4 generations and its all changed from what lasted hundreds of years. We watched 3 hour movies or episodic TV shows that lasted for months or years. They watch 20 second Tik-Tok and swipe left (I have no idea how TT works :) ) If it is episodic as soon as the first one is out they binge watch the entire series online in one sitting and 'next'.

If SC start accepting BC....well thats a different story....unless that bubble bursts. It should but belief and confidence just keep it going atm. Another one thats fascinating and defies reality. But all bubbles burst eventually, thats the nature of bubbles. Get in make money and get out. Every crash has been un-foreseeable the day before to 99% of people. Thats why people get hurt.

Generalising and stereotyping yes and always exceptions to the rule, but is based on observable and studied behaviour patterns and its not our future anymore, its theirs, and we will sit around and talk about how good it was in the old days when we were young....which obviously it was but thats the point, its in the past.

And thank the lord @MTBFritz is back I can stop these walls of text now....and breathe :)
 
Yes, i've noticed a shift among certain backers that now the hope is more they get something that can be released rather than dreams.txt writ large.

They are bargaining themselves down from the position that originally got them to "invest" in the first place to a place where they wouldn't have "invested" if it had been like that from the start.

Imagine in 9 years ago CIG had come to the market saying "We will make the best space game ever, but in 9 years it will still be in alpha with 50 players per server cap, just 1 star system (but pinky swear, we will have over 100 eventually) and a few game loops, oh and we will rely on you keeping funding for many years, selling you spaceships for hundreds or thousands of dollars, and we will require at least 500 million to get basic release out of the door, and don't expect SQ42 in that time either"... well, i think we can all understand how badly the project would have failed to get the required funding.

The project depends on hype, faith, and misdirection.
The more ED is adding stuff, the more obvious it becomes how slow CIG actually is.
 
Counter counterpoint - How many of them are whales?

How many people consciously became Concierge plus (Admiral is it?) How many just spent bits here and there and over a period of time it all added up? How many bought the 35K package and how many own more ships and spent more money than they ever imagined just drip-feeding and buying the latest ship because it was never bank-breaking at the time? Its a hobby and most hobbies we are willing to spend and spend on over time because we enjoy the hobby.

ED & SC have probably an older audience, even a generational one than most games. The Twitch generation want fast pay off instant gratification or they move on to the next game. And they talk to each other more. Word of mouth works both ways.

How many of them will still be there in 6 months let alone 5 years subscribing to an Alpha to keep that revenue up? How many will make a small one-off purchase and just flush it down the toilet / write it off / forget about it? What will keep them coming back?

SC is losing its core audience, the ones who will pay month after month for an email and a story and a promise of things to come.

PT Barnum ticket sale price was similar at the end of the circus lifetime as at the beginning and he just moved from town to town. SC ship prices are going up and up to account for less actual people buying and theres nowhere left to go. Sunk cost fallacy isnt as powerful with the Millenials not through conscious thought just that theres so much else on offer and its easy to get and actual money means less.

Brand loyalty doesnt mean as much, nor does the 'personal service' individual shops that our grandparents had, we all go to generic supermarkets now, they shop online from faceless stores, 3 or 4 generations and its all changed from what lasted hundreds of years. We watched 3 hour movies or episodic TV shows that lasted for months or years. They watch 20 second Tik-Tok and swipe left (I have no idea how TT works :) ) If it is episodic as soon as the first one is out they binge watch the entire series online in one sitting and 'next'.

If SC start accepting BC....well thats a different story....unless that bubble bursts. It should but belief and confidence just keep it going atm. Another one thats fascinating and defies reality. But all bubbles burst eventually, thats the nature of bubbles. Get in make money and get out. Every crash has been un-foreseeable the day before to 99% of people. Thats why people get hurt.

Generalising and stereotyping yes and always exceptions to the rule, but is based on observable and studied behaviour patterns and its not our future anymore, its theirs, and we will sit around and talk about how good it was in the old days when we were young....which obviously it was but thats the point, its in the past.

And thank the lord @MTBFritz is back I can stop these walls of text now....and breathe :)


Counter-counter-counter point:

If most of SC’s money comes from whales, and the majority of the whales can be presumed to be middle age + with income for such a daft hobby, what would it matter if the younger audience were more fleeting?

(Not that I think they necessarily are. I suspect brand loyalty, and suckerdom, are just as alive and well amongst guys in their teens and twenties ;))

Ultimately, many games dependent on whales rely on < 1% of their community to fund them. The full bore oddballs. A small cadre of backers of whatever age, slowly supplemented by new guys discovering the honey trap as others drop out, could keep CIG going for years to come.

And the current signs are that they will. Despite a slowing ship roster, threadbare deliveries, and a sub-standard technical product.

Unless something categorically bursts the dream bubble (Chris led away in chains, Brian Chambers shouting 'IT’S ALL A LIE' for 10 minutes on an SQ42 livestream...), there’s no reason why the ball won’t keep rolling...
 
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Notable points:

No second systems this year (surprised Pikachu face)
3.13 - polishing the Stanton system
3.14 - adding more stuff to Stanton system... erm... so polishing the Stanton system doesn't mean polishing it off, it means what exactly? Whatever it is, it will take them 13 weeks.
3.15 - in quarter 3 we see the (planned) addition of "Small home - outpost". What also happens in quarter 3? Citizen con! The annual whaling event! Calling it - this year is the year they start selling homes on planets. They will sell "small homes" first then over the year add bigger and bigger homes (some concept only) and even business properties. They will make bank.

I look forward to the coming years when they start selling titles with a range of in-game benefit, like King, Admiral, or Emperor. That's the same shady stuff CoE did before shutting down.
 
Latest roadmap

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Notable points:

No second systems this year (surprised Pikachu face)
3.13 - polishing the Stanton system
3.14 - adding more stuff to Stanton system... erm... so polishing the Stanton system doesn't mean polishing it off, it means what exactly? Whatever it is, it will take them 13 weeks.
3.15 - in quarter 3 we see the (planned) addition of "Small home - outpost". What also happens in quarter 3? Citizen con! The annual whaling event! Calling it - this year is the year they start selling homes on planets. They will sell "small homes" first then over the year add bigger and bigger homes (some concept only) and even business properties. They will make bank.

I look forward to the coming years when they start selling titles with a range of in-game benefit, like King, Admiral, or Emperor. That's the same shady stuff CoE did before shutting down.

Notable point for 3.13 - it is already 2 weeks late.
 
No second systems this year (surprised Pikachu face)

Just because Pyro isn’t tentatively scheduled yet that doesn’t mean it can’t spring into life for Citcon!

But hey, missing two launch years would be nothing anyway. Jump gates have already missed at least 4 ;)

3.15 - in quarter 3 we see the (planned) addition of "Small home - outpost". What also happens in quarter 3? Citizen con! The annual whaling event! Calling it - this year is the year they start selling homes on planets

Yeah I thought that, but turns out they’re for NPCs:

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Does totally feel like the logical cash grab though. (Maybe you’ll be able to rent NPCs too ;))
 
Yeah I thought that, but turns out they’re for NPCs:

Does totally feel like the logical cash grab though. (Maybe you’ll be able to rent NPCs too ;))

Aww.... for a moment there i thought CIG were really going to go for it.

Come on CIG! Do something funny! Its been days at least since the last thing! Possibly weeks!
 
has CiG transitioned from game company to real estate home builder? These development times are atrocious. Are they actually building these things in real life?
 
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn

In his mansion in Florida fidelity Roberts lies dreaming.
Wonder what happened to those alien linguist designers since the 2014? 2015? 2016? Whatever CitizenCon the alien languages were first presented for game release? Those guys can't be in really high demand right now. Both single player and MMO markets seems too niche atm for their sort of game feature speciality.

FDev should snatch these guys up and have them work on 'Goid text. Especially now since CMNDRs will be potentially encountering them on foot on planets etc. They should consider adding a lore based language interpreter module to our ships/SRVs and space suit helmets. So you can interpret the exotic screeching 'Goids engage in whenever they lay eyes on a CMNDR. Like see the interpreted text/lines of what they're saying. Or perhaps better yet, add a Borg type of voice over translator. That would be really immersive. Regardless, it would be great if FDev could give these guys jobs working on ED with the economy being as rough as it is to date.
 
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