Game Discussions Star Citizen Discussion Thread v12

[VR Golgot]

Forget to mention, but some Hot Gossip is that the Mission Refactor requires all of the missions to be remade. Which they don't have the resources to do. So they'll probably just go with refactoring common missions and dumping the more unique ones.

Well the mission refactor just dropped in 4.0...

And the missions do seem to be coming out piecemeal...

Known Issues
Tonight's build contains further mission inclusions as well as the updated Mission Service. Please let us know about any issues with missions in the issue council!

Tested Working
• Mercenary in Stanton
• Handyman in Pyro
• Bombing Run in Pyro
• Ship Heist in Pyro
• Bounty in Pyro
• Salvage in Pyro

Tested With Issues
• Courier in Pyro (doesn't exist in Stanton)
• Hauling in Pyro and Stanton
• Bounty in Stanton
• Missing Persons in Pyro

Spectrum - v7.11.0

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[VR Golgot]

Those patch notes also have some premium stuff

For this build, we have temporarily disabled the altimeter reading in ships to avoid a nearly 100% client crash.

Certain Rastar Locations will briefly stream in for all player located in Pyro, regardless of distance

 

[HansAcker]

For this build, we have temporarily disabled the altimeter reading in ships to avoid a nearly 100% client crash.

I don't even... How?! Now the altimeter is falling through the planet surface, too?
It only displayed altitude above some imaginary sea-level, not even taking actual terrain into account.

 

[Skizomeuh]

Because it's a 67.318bits precision int.

 

[ECity]

 

[Agony_Aunt]

Those patch notes also have some premium stuff

So ships have no means of knowing how high they are except via visuals?

Quality work from CIG.

 

[thistle]

It only displayed altitude above some imaginary sea-level, not even taking actual terrain into account.

 

[Factabulous]

To be fair - ED works the same way. When you approach a planet it gives you the distance above an idealised surface, and it's only as you get close that it gives you a 'real' height (some planets you get told you are below the surface before it switches).

ofc in ED we never had the altimeter removed to stop the game crashing ...

 

[Factabulous]

Last day of November guys - are we feeling good about reaching last year's funding? LETSGO!

 

[Agony_Aunt]

Last day of November guys - are we feeling good about reaching last year's funding? LETSGO!

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Idris buy an.

 

[Agony_Aunt]

A pertinent question being asked on Spectrum.

A space combat game reworking space combat in year 12 of development - Star Citizen Spectrum

Out of all the mechanics that have been implemented and undergone numerous reworks flight model and combat should be the absolute number 1 to have finalised and working for all players. And for...

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Someone tries to defend with the old "they had to build the company first" rubbish and is shot down.

What is this revisionism?
Backer from 2012 here, so let me hand out some truth.

1) They planned to release SQ42 and Beta PU in 2014. How are they supposed to do that when they only had the methods to do so in 2016?

2) In 2014 they already had ~300 employees. As a comparison on X4, currently one of the best (if not the best) space games released, are working 20 employees.

3) The funding always eclipsed what was asked. The initial goal was $500k and they got it up to (IIRC) $6 million.
After that they added more stretch goals that went to up $65 million. But that didn't make the funding stop, which kept growing without new features being promised for it.
That was in 2014 btw.

4) They stated that they already started development 1 year prior to the kickstarter. It is 13 years actually.
Also, you don't start developing a game with 100 employees from the get go. What are the programmers and artists supposed to do while the style, setting, mechanics, etc. aren't even drafted?
First you have a core group that defines what the game is supposed to be. Imagine developing a tabletop game. You are not hiring a printing company until you know how the board is supposed to look like.


Please, stop spreading misinformation. You can easily check it by visiting the kickstarter and stretch goal page and reading up on the "letters of the chairman".
They contain classics like "increased funding will speed up development time". Always worth a chuckle.

 

[Agony_Aunt]

Ah, and one of the whitest of white knights responds with:

Everything else you've said is kinda defunct based on your premise that SC is somehow a "space combat game", which it isn't...combat is only a small part of the possible gameplay intended for it. The actual game they're making is a life sim MMO in a scifi universe, with future gameplay possibilities/careers for ALL types of gamers. So no, ships nor combat are supposed to be the main focus...non-combative gameplay will compose of the majority of content, and while some non-combative gameplay is "adjacent" to combat, a lot of it won't (like....mining has no connection to combat at all).

I think a lot of those such as yourself get too hung up on ships because it's their funding model, but ships aren't really the focus of the game, they're merely meant to facilitate gameplay as tools...nothing more, nothing less.

The mental gymnastics these guys perform is amazing.

 

[Agony_Aunt]

Comparing Master Modes to Elite's flight model.

So, the new MM Is Just Elite right? - Star Citizen Spectrum

So woth the newly announced MM changes we're just getting a more arcade version of Elite's flight model? As described its basically exactly what elite does, but, planetary entry and gravity wells...

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Its a bold strategy Cotton...

 

[Skizomeuh]

When you're nowhere near a functional sandbox you better be a good contortionist to dig your head somewhere else

 

[Agony_Aunt]

Another fun one:

new players quiting within days... - Star Citizen Spectrum

i managed to get my long time friend (playing mmos together for over 30 years......) to the point of giving Starcitizen an chance yesterday i showed him around and we did some vlrt bountys .......

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he had one thing to tell me ..... " i have no time to waste on such an **** game "

A response:

This project is not yet a game. It is a ways off yet from being something you try and talk friends into buying.

Hmm... what does it say on all CIG's marketing? "PLAYABLE NOW!"

 

[Factabulous]

Having a Free Fly is definitely not indicating CiG think it is a game and people should try it

 

[Viajero]

Last day of November guys - are we feeling good about reaching last year's funding? LETSGO!

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Juste remember, IAE has a few days in december this year that 2023 didnt have. Pretty sure CIG is counting in showing larger than usual sales in december.

 

[VR Golgot]

Is that that the Rastar thing running wild maybe? All locations sending data regardless of distance?

(Wonder if it's a mission refactor thing...)

 

[VR Golgot]

Either way, here's some more on that issue:

sc-testing-chat | Wakapedia-CIG: We're tracking down what we believe is a major cause of performance and interaction delays. Right now it appears that many RASTAR locations in Pyro (outposts, ect..) are streaming to all clients randomly and very frequently when someone is near them, regardless of distance in the system, which causes quite a few issues as you could imagine. Hoping to have a fix early next week once we get more data from the weekend! Not looking to soulcrush today, we'll get a new build today with many more updates and stability but that issue will still be a thing until next week ​

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[Factabulous]

Maybe they made everything load in to fix the previous issues with assets