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PiLhEaD

PiLhEaD
VR Golgot said:
...Also, it's not like fresh new refunders don't crop up regularly...

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/vi71s3 Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/vi71s3/i_made_the_mistake_of_purchasing_this_game_now/
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I've had to use charge-back a couple of times. Once via PayPal. It worked both times. Neither time did the 'trader' (ahem) reply. But I got my money back and left appropriate reviews on TrustPilot.

One tip: record everything in emails that you send to the scammer vendor. Give them a few weeks, and then press the 'appropriate button'. For PayPal use their resolution mechanism as well. It all helps your case!
 

VR Golgot

VR Golgot
PiLhEaD said:
I've had to use charge-back a couple of times. Once via PayPal. It worked both times. Neither time did the 'trader' (ahem) reply. But I got my money back and left appropriate reviews on TrustPilot.

One tip: record everything in emails that you send to the scammer vendor. Give them a few weeks, and then press the 'appropriate button'. For PayPal use their resolution mechanism as well. It all helps your case!
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Yeah within 30 days you're ok.

It's the longer term players who find themselves in the infinite 'You have played the alpha, therefore you have received the game' ToS trap that have fewer easy outs...
 

Navigare Necesse Est

Navigare Necesse Est
VR Golgot said:
Some of the regulars definitely play it to this day:

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/vgy4ov Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/vgy4ov/i_accidentally_walked_on_this_plant_and_it_stuck/


Because the sub is actually home to a broad church. Some haven't got rid of their core game package (in part because refunds aren't actually possible for many long-term players). Others have actually managed to refund fully, but do drop back in to free flies to see if the alpha has improved since their time. Others are simply sceptical about the game, and visit the sub to discuss SC without having to deal with the mindless tropes of white knights ;)

Also, it's not like fresh new refunders don't crop up regularly...

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/vi71s3 Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/vi71s3/i_made_the_mistake_of_purchasing_this_game_now/


I won't attempt to figure out what percentage of the sub has actually played recently, because that would be an absurd task. It's cute that you think you know the answer though ;)
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Little Ant supreme being and omniscient. Your formula is just bad.
 

Darkfyre99

Darkfyre99
LittleAnt said:
The vast majority of refunders played x years ago and haven't tested by themselves the actual alpha. They don't want to waste their time with the freefly and don't own the game anymore (it's the "refund" channel).
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<<< Dirty refundian and Star Citizen refugee who will still participate the free flies, to see how the game is actually progressing, both positive and mostly negative.

Still, I’ll review it on Metacritic… eventually. I’ll even be nice and wait for the free fly. I have about a dozen space games that do a far better job than SC does I want to review first… in my abundant spare time.
 

VR Golgot

VR Golgot
sovapid said:
You and Little Ant should fill the next 10 pages arguing about the proper formula to determine the percentage. It is great forum content that everyone enjoys.
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I would, but...

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Agony_Aunt

Agony_Aunt
VR Golgot said:
Some of the regulars definitely play it to this day:

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/vgy4ov Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/vgy4ov/i_accidentally_walked_on_this_plant_and_it_stuck/


Because the sub is actually home to a broad church. Some haven't got rid of their core game package (in part because refunds aren't actually possible for many long-term players). Others have actually managed to refund fully, but do drop back in to free flies to see if the alpha has improved since their time. Others are simply sceptical about the game, and visit the sub to discuss SC without having to deal with the mindless tropes of white knights ;)

Also, it's not like fresh new refunders don't crop up regularly...

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/vi71s3 Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/vi71s3/i_made_the_mistake_of_purchasing_this_game_now/


I won't attempt to figure out what percentage of the sub has actually played recently, because that would be an absurd task. It's cute that you think you know the answer though ;)
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There are also people like me on the refund sub, people who never gave CIG a penny, because we saw the red flags before we could be suckered in.

Of course, for the faithful this means all our criticism are invalid, because you can only be critical of predatory marketing practices if you've first fell for the scam.
 

Agony_Aunt

Agony_Aunt
StuartGT said:
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https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/viy5vp Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/viy5vp/sc_is_not_pay_to_win_but_i_think_it_is_pay_for/
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What an idiot. Pay for advantage is pay to win. Backers love to pidgeonhole P2W as meaning the money directly gives you a win in some way. But all you have to do is look at many mobile games which are P2W to see in most cases, you don't win anything by paying, you just unlock something extra which then lines you up to unlock something else, which of course, you can pay to expedite.

This is why the "but you can buy it in game" argument is so weak. Yeah, you can, but you can also pay to expedite getting it, and that right there is the P2W mechanism at work.
 
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