Still waiting to be proven wrong...

Never have so many posts
On the same topic
Missed the point so entirely

This change is not Frontier's fault, it's the community's, and you sitting on your high horse talking about how you've lost faith in their timetable when it was the influence of the playerbase that drove FD to derail their plans, is patently unfair to Frontier.

You're damning them if they do and damning them if they don't.

How dare you say realistic stuff, you'll be reminding people the changes to the DLC release method were a direct response to the communities reaction to Horizons next.
 
Hope we will get the list of fixed bugs, to make us an opinion.
I really hope to read:
- Fixed a bug that did not allow to display planets and moons orbit lines in the FSS using VR headsets

Rather than:
- Fixed a bug that could cause rare instancing errors where two players in the same instance couldn't see each other cockpit bubble head.
- Fixed a rare bug where the players could receive 1 ARX more for exploration activities.
 
I really hope to read:
- Fixed a bug that did not allow to display planets and moons orbit lines in the FSS using VR headsets

Rather than:
  • Fixed a bug that could cause rare instancing errors where two players in the same instance couldn't see each other cockpit bubble head.
  • Fixed a rare bug where the players could receive 1 ARX more for exploration activities.
The prioritization is a priority.

:)
 

sollisb

Banned
Never have so many posts
On the same topic
Missed the point so entirely

This change is not Frontier's fault, it's the community's, and you sitting on your high horse talking about how you've lost faith in their timetable when it was the influence of the playerbase that drove FD to derail their plans, is patently unfair to Frontier.

You're damning them if they do and damning them if they don't.

While I welcome their decision to stop development and fix the current and long standing issues first, that decisions was theirs and theirs alone to make. For sure it was possibly hugely influenced by a playerbase driven by desperation to seek clarity from the game management team. They met, and frontier agreed, that yes, it was better to fix the bugs first.

But your claim to lay the blame on the playerbase is totally absurd and devoid of any logic. The playerbase did not design the mess, they did not code the bugs. The playerbase were not in charge of the testing or quality. If you sit back and think for just a little bit, you might realise that was Frontier that created the bugs, and unfortunately it took the playerbase to show them the error of their ways.

No one here is damning Frontier. They managed to do that all by themselves.
 

sollisb

Banned
Anyway how important that FC is delayed by six months ?

90% of Cmdrs do not have enough credits to buy one.

:sneaky:

I'd bet the other way but hey ho, differing opinions etc etc...

I'd be more inclined to ask... What are we goign to be able to do with them... And that's a huge can of worms..
 
While I welcome their decision to stop development and fix the current and long standing issues first, that decisions was theirs and theirs alone to make. For sure it was possibly hugely influenced by a playerbase driven by desperation to seek clarity from the game management team. They met, and frontier agreed, that yes, it was better to fix the bugs first.

But your claim to lay the blame on the playerbase is totally absurd and devoid of any logic. The playerbase did not design the mess, they did not code the bugs. The playerbase were not in charge of the testing or quality. If you sit back and think for just a little bit, you might realise that was Frontier that created the bugs, and unfortunately it took the playerbase to show them the error of their ways.

No one here is damning Frontier. They managed to do that all by themselves.

Yeah I went a bit hard on that line... went a bit rage mode last night >_>

I do want to be clear though, that irritation I had was not towards those in the community who are being honest - following through the train of thought of "I asked for bug fixes, Frontier are going to do bug fixes, they listened to us, hooray". That's great.

But there are people who demand something along the lines of "I don't want any new content until the bugs are fixed" and then get upset when FD says "okay, there'll be no new content until the bugs are fixed".

A total put-down of fleet carriers to focus the whole allocated team on bug-fixing first, would, naturally mean that the fleet carriers would take a back-seat to the bug fixing and be delayed. I'm making the assumption that FD aren't pulling people away from the 2020 update to sort this out either. So it falls to whatever smaller team that was managing the smaller content for this year to drop everything they're doing, and pivot to the something else. Whereas a few bugs might get fixed and rolled in with the content updates, now they're focusing down on the bug fixing rather than putting the new content in. Presumably that means they'll have to come back and look at the new content to make sure that doesn't have bugs either. That's all fine, I'm all for updates with fewer bugs in, but I'm aware that means it'll take longer.

Personally I haven't been experiencing the kind of longstanding bugs a lot of others have - I'm probably just fortunate in that regard; all the issues I had with the September update are gone. So I was very much looking forward to having the new content, and having a smaller list of bug fixes rolled in with the update, as FD usually do. And generally speaking I'm okay with updates not being perfect on day one and am happy to have a couple of follow-up patches to sort it out.

I like the idea of having a more stable game, sure, but I'm not one of the ones who signed that open letter, and not one of the ones who has ever really asked for bugs to be fixed first before anything else. So the extra delay for the new content hurts somewhat.

Either way, don't read too much into what I'm posting; neither issue will affect how much I play the game, and I am still playing regularly.
It's just the more criticism we throw at FD for every single decision they make will undoubtedly make things harder for them.
 
Seeing as the PS4 doesn’t seem to be plagued with the swathes of bugs the pc players are experiencing I think we can all agree that the PS4 should get fleet carriers in December (y)
 
I'd bet the other way but hey ho, differing opinions etc etc...

I'd be more inclined to ask... What are we goign to be able to do with them... And that's a huge can of worms..
It would be a smart move from FDEV to fill this gap by providing more accurate information about FC. At least we have something more to talk about... or be prepared when they are finally released
 
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