Robert Maynard
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That didn't answer my first question.
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That didn't answer my first question.
WorldsGreatestForumDad
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Dont need to, the community speaks for themselves.
Besides thats a loaded question and we both know it. Fdev has the numbers. But the community is showing you're wrong.
furthermore you think this is my first rodeo. Get a grip dude.
Besides thats a loaded question and we both know it. Fdev has the numbers. But the community is showing you're wrong.
furthermore you think this is my first rodeo. Get a grip dude.
Robert Maynard
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Yes, Frontier do have the numbers - that's my point. The community is made up of all of us - we don't all agree, naturally. Frontier can't please all of the players all of the time and will therefore probably resort to analytics to inform their decisions (along with discussions in the community, from time to time).
I guess that we'll just have to see how things evolve, in time.
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WorldsGreatestForumDad
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Let me put it to you like this, https://gyazo.com/f599a4a0ad7de1a7ebf0847eb3ff9e83
Not having competitiveness in this game is holding Elite Dangerous back from growing.
They could be rolling in the dough right now. You'll still have solo and private to play in. And you can still do anything and everything else youd like.
But there has to be an outlet for Player Vs Player activities. And Open is not equal what so ever. Not with people like me making it harder for others. And those others should be rewarded for those tasks for playing in the harder mode.
Sorry if you dont like it. But what you're doing here on these forums. Shutting down conversations because of your own personal views, is one of the major reasons balancing is a huge issue. And Frontier like to use their own forums for feedback. But people get frustrated with you and the brigade anytime some comes here to speak their mind.
Ive modded forums in the past, you guys created a dump thread for Solo open and Private discussions because there were so many topics about it... Hmmm, I wonder why? And you tell me you are part of the majority. Please.
Like I said this is not my first rodeo. Now stop with the nonsense.
Robert Maynard
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That's one opinion - another would be that the game may well lose more players than it attracts if such changes were made. Noting that UO made a fundamental change to *stop* it haemorrhaging PvE players - not to mention reputational damage for what would in effect be a rather late in the day bait-and-switch,
There are outlets for PvP activities - for those that wish to engage in them. It is optional though.
WorldsGreatestForumDad
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Whatever you say dude. Ill say it again, the proof lies in the numbers and the community. You and the opinion this and that is crap. When facts are laid on your door step.
But do whatever you want. Like I said, people can speak their mind on reddit. They cant do it here.
And what are the outlets for PVP activites? DO you get rewarded for them? No... Its the biggest time and credit sink in the game. With only punishments for doing it to boot. Kind of odd when they advertise or hunt other commanders, and things like powerplay that obviously is not working.
Again, do whatever you want. And I can understand people not wanting to PVP. But there are people that do, and the game is balanced around player interaction. Use your brain.
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
The proof does indeed lie in the numbers - and Frontier have the numbers.
Anyone can speak their mind here - as long as they abide by the forum rules. If the inference is that they will remain unopposed on reddit then that says more about reddit than here, in my opinion of course.
PowerPlay, Factions, CGs, etc. - not exclusively PvP (it remains optional) but it is possible within these features among players that choose to. Specifically rewarded - not really - and losing ships does get expensive.
The "hunt other commanders" line does not guarantee that any will be found - Frontier can't guarantee that other players will want to engage in that activity. I get that people want to PvP - what is not palatable is the fact that most proposals to improve the PvP side of the game come at the cost of effectively removing existing content from the PvE (and indirect PvP) game.
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WorldsGreatestForumDad
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Not option to opt out of a bgs attack on your player faction.
And thats what this all comes down to.
Changes are coming soon. Hope you arent going to be too upset about it. But ill come give you the pat on the back when they happen.
Want to know how and why I know changes are coming? Because people want to PVP. And they will address and give meaning to that part of the group. And its MUCH LARGER than you think. Lots of people want to do it. They dont do it just because they arent interested in it, because lots are. And when the introduce changes, even more will be doing it.
Its pretty straight forward. Common sense really.
Like I said, you and your crusade will not hold back what the community wants. You can try to shut down all topics about it with your little blue text all day. But the community and the numbers stand over you. And thats the way it is.
And thats what this all comes down to.
Changes are coming soon. Hope you arent going to be too upset about it. But ill come give you the pat on the back when they happen.
Want to know how and why I know changes are coming? Because people want to PVP. And they will address and give meaning to that part of the group. And its MUCH LARGER than you think. Lots of people want to do it. They dont do it just because they arent interested in it, because lots are. And when the introduce changes, even more will be doing it.
Its pretty straight forward. Common sense really.
Like I said, you and your crusade will not hold back what the community wants. You can try to shut down all topics about it with your little blue text all day. But the community and the numbers stand over you. And thats the way it is.
Robert Maynard
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As has been said before - we'll see. Michael was very clear when asked about affecting Factions from Solo and Private Groups - who knows, that may change (although I somewhat doubt it).
You're the one who's on a crusade here.
Now, look in the mirror and say aloud these things you wrote:
Well, now that Michael has moved on to bigger and better things, maybe we will get a breath of fresh air.
Robert Maynard
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Well, now that Michael has moved on to bigger and better things, maybe we will get a breath of fresh air.
.... and, maybe, the commitment to player freedom of choice, in relation to direct PvP, came from even higher up.
Simple option like permits already block you from entering a system unless you have been granted a permit for what ever grind fest you've completed. Make CGs only accessible in open.
See how that works and then if it works increase the amount of weekly CGs, I don't mean one or two more, I'm mean a couple of dozen, thus making open a much more substantial contributing factor to the BGS.
Dont play CGs in open can't affect the outcome. Add a little RNJesus into the mix and suddenly you find your adopted home system or somewhere you want to be, has a CG and your eaither locked in or locked out unless your in open. Then much like an election if you don't vote you can't complain about the outcome.
See how that works and then if it works increase the amount of weekly CGs, I don't mean one or two more, I'm mean a couple of dozen, thus making open a much more substantial contributing factor to the BGS.
Dont play CGs in open can't affect the outcome. Add a little RNJesus into the mix and suddenly you find your adopted home system or somewhere you want to be, has a CG and your eaither locked in or locked out unless your in open. Then much like an election if you don't vote you can't complain about the outcome.
WorldsGreatestForumDad
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.... and, maybe, the commitment to player freedom of choice, in relation to direct PvP, came from even higher up.
Maybe the didnt see the balance issues until it was produced.
Just like heat sinks synth, Heat meta and much more. Did they get changed? You bet your... they did.
Its coming. And its going to be glorious.
.... and, maybe, the commitment to player freedom of choice, in relation to direct PvP, came from even higher up.
I don't care where it came from; it's clearly just an attempt to salvage the mess that was the offline scandal and pander to all the players who couldn't handle a multiplayer environment. Certainly not a good gameplay "master plan."
Robert Maynard
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It will indeed be glorious - because when changes come then I don't think that they will be what either of us expect it to be.
These issues (and many others) stem from the fact that Fdev hardly plays their own game. I used to think that was a bad joke, but I utterly believe it now. I mean, watch a video of DB talking about ED and tell me if he's ever (even one time in any video ever) talked about the same gameplay experience the rest of us have.
Robert Maynard
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The design information relating to all players experiencing and affecting the single shared predated the addition of offline mode to the scope - it was there at the outset.
WorldsGreatestForumDad
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Nope, I think they rely on streamers to be honest. A lot of them were centered around exploration and PVE stuff. Very few of us streamers get into PVP. But thats slowly changing. I know a lot of Fdev have came by my streams. And I hope I was able to shed some light on whats really going on with that stuff.
Its really difficult to talk around here because people get ran off when they talk about this stuff. But now we have lots of player groups streaming PVP now.
But you are right, when I see Fdev talk about their game. There is maybe 1 guy that knows about the grind and what it takes to be on the top end of PVP but I cant remember his name, all I know is he was put out because he couldnt use his personal account to fight Harry potter. He worked on a build all week. But he had to use a Fdev account. This was like 6 months ago.
Anyways a lot goes into what we do. Its too bad its held back by these people around here. Because if you go to reddit. People are Pleading and Begging for changes. While any talk of the sorts here on Fdev forums gets locked or shut down.
Their game could blossom into something HUGE. If they would ignore some of the same 10-15 people brigading these types of posts. And listen to the 100s if not 1000's asking for change. Man lots arent playing right now because of these problems alone.
Their silencing around here is costing Fdev Money. Not even joking about that.
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We know he plays the game, there's a video somewhere of him getting murder-hoboed whilst flying an asp (no it wasn't an NPC).
Maybe that's why PVP's been getting systematically sidelined, he might hold a grudge.
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