I think you should suggest or mention it anyway for the C&P, just to put some light on the issue. I think it would be quite cool if Open|Anarchy had higher payouts and higher risks. Now, you can choose how you play the game and what risk/reward you put yourself in, even in open.
Modes [Suggestion] How to incentivise open play and make it relevant
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Fair enough, and in my proposal along these lines, I've even suggested the BGS (or FD) could decide to inject missions to destroy CMDRs (in OPEN) at a location with inpunity (ie: the mission giver would cover up the crime).
So a pirate could pirate one of these areas, and even have a couple of missions to Pilots Federation destroy ships.
HOWEVER, CMDRs would the area in question has such gameplay active. ie: They would know it's a "Hot Spot" where these sort of destructions are being orchestrated (by the game).
Thus traders (or who ever) can decide if they wish to take the risk or not...
Yep. OPEN only CGs or OPEN only BGS high value trade spikes could orchestrate these PvP areas.
I mentioned in my mining proposal (see sig), OPEN only Gold Rushes being spawned too. Consider player groups fighting over areas while part of the their wings also try and mine away at the rich resources before they're gone.
WorldsGreatestForumDad
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Agreed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And the cool thing is. Solo and Private modes still get their end of the interaction. And get paid for their risks.
Everything you mentioned here can easily be controllable with Open Specific CG's MEANT for multiplayer actions. Solo and Private groups can still take part in anything else THATS NOT MULTIPLAYER. Just like Multicrew, or Human wing members. Although I do think they should get some love and get NPC's to fill those spots.
As much as I am against solo and private effecting Multiplayer stuff. The Solo and Private group dudes should get the benefits from multicrew as well. That extra PIP is juicy.
Anyways, I cant believe its finally happening. This is going to be huge. By this time next year. OH BABY!
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I sooo agree with this. Because, if you can make more, but it was a lot more risky and difficult, then the credits made aren't just big money, but the satisfaction of have made it under such duress is higher as well. Love it. And of course, the satisfaction of pirates to take you out and not feel that it's against any policy or vision of the game, but rather the opposite.
This is what's missing in the game. The level of heightened satisfaction having done something difficult. I would play this, and I would play either side.
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So this thread was about how to create an incentive to play in Open. This is most definitely one idea I would vote for.
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Sell expensive but illegal goods at a large discount in anarchies (lower production costs due to lack of law enforcement), people would buy there and travel out to sell at a profit. Anarchies could also buy food/medicines at a premium due to having knackered infrastructure.
New science sites in anarchies could just have a cap ship and patrols deployed by whichever superpower was interested, or an independent mercenary one. Then the system becomes a temporary non anarchy for the duration of the science thing, you could do the same with CG's in anarchies or engineers sites.
WorldsGreatestForumDad
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nailed it!
Ok, strange times indeed. 90's agreeing with Jockey and me agreeing with Stigbob.
I completely agree.
My idea would be the science area until discovered is just normal anarchy.
After the first commander visits the site, it programmatically changes so in an hour or two there is some sort of NPC presence.
Just watching movies, ET, First Encounters of the Third Kind, Arrival.....
As soon as some interesting "alien" thing is found, there are cops/army everywhere.
Why cant there also be NPC's at the science sites doing "science" and some form of NPC cops. The area around it maybe isn't like normal space, but if you start shooting everyone, those NPC's don't like it.
Set up a little NPC hut/science building. Fits in fine with immersion and keeps those places from being killing fields.
WorldsGreatestForumDad
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Ok, strange times indeed. 90's agreeing with Jockey and me agreeing with Stigbob.
When this happens. You know things are going in the right direction. Makes me happy!
Ok, strange times indeed. 90's agreeing with Jockey and me agreeing with Stigbob.
I completely agree.
My idea would be the science area until discovered is just normal anarchy.
After the first commander visits the site, it programmatically changes so in an hour or two there is some sort of NPC presence.
Just watching movies, ET, First Encounters of the Third Kind, Arrival.....
As soon as some interesting "alien" thing is found, there are cops/army everywhere.
Why cant there also be NPC's at the science sites doing "science" and some form of NPC cops. The area around it maybe isn't like normal space, but if you start shooting everyone, those NPC's don't like it.
Set up a little NPC hut/science building. Fits in fine with immersion and keeps those places from being killing fields.
Not only are we all agreeing, but I've run out of rep for you.
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Good to know it, ty
Ok... let me explain myself.
I was hating the "pvp" for a while too (not the pvp players though) just because I only wanted to farm ships and explore the galaxy, so it was really annoying for me (at first) to be killed "without a reason". That's why I was even in Mobious.
There were a few things that made me change my opinion then:
1. That PvP was also present in Mobious but it was absolutely out of logic.
People was complaining about ALL in those servers (believe me). They even had some stupid rules for a while about when you can attack another player or you cannot and then I figured out why: they just didn't want to be annoyed AT ALL even concerning "PvE" (where they were playing PvP with BGS, bombing stations with UA's, etc). There were even troubles with people who were killed in CZ when they were playing in different sides of the war (as you read).
Then I thought "What's the point of creating a "PvE" server if you are playing AGAINST PLAYERS ANYWAY through another mechanics?" They were twisting those rules in such way that they become ridiculous and the game was loosing is essence.
There were problems EVEN WITH SOME PVE RULES.
I didn't care too much at first. I just wanted to explore for a while so I didn't give a s**t about what was going on with PP or BGS or... whatever they played.
2. I discovered the BGS thanks to some players focused on it. And that was what I was looking for.
Exploring is nice for a while, but without VR (just my monitor) and a really good mechanics and content related to it... I was soo bored (even when I was sooooo excited with it through several months).
And then I didn't give a s**t about open or solo modes. I played where I wanted to. I was going to hot systems in solo mode as you do now doing my stuff while I was relaxed and happy with it.
3. Then problems began. Even BGS was a rutine where I just needed a discord server. I didn't need to talk with my mates for doing things, just a chat where everybody could read and do what they want when they want inside some parameters given by the Faction leader.
I had all I wanted, I had much more money that I needed. Farming and exploring becomes tedious. Even BGS was a rutine with a grey goal.
Then I left the game for about 6 months and came back. My faction changed to much for me and I was sicked of all that rutine. So.. what now. I deleted my comander and started again, this time flying only in open mode.
4. It was thanks to it that I didn't left the game forever. The game was absolutely another. It changed A LOT feeling the fear of the new dangers and I had to learn how to survive on it.
But then... another problem: the stations were full according the traffic reports, but I felt alone and bored again. So I understood another thing: what I really wanted was that MMO part that they promised me. I realized that labbel was a lie. And more than that, I was considered a "bad person" by all those who play from solo modes just because I wanted to see people in open mode for ANYTHING. Just talk.
5. I joined a PP group of players then. And again something new. It was awesome at first but... after being 5 hours every day transporting papers, getting papers... transporting papers, getting papers... ok, where the hell is the war here? And what really surprised me was that people who were complaining the most was those playing from solo modes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But I discovered that I wasn't the only one feeling in that way and taking "holidays" from Elite from time to time.
I "left" the game again.
Now I'm just waiting for some changes if they come some day. If they don't I will never come back.
What I am saying is that this game is amazing only for new players or players that play a few.
Now... Imagine that you have been exploring for a year, you have all the ships you want with engineers and all its fitting and 100.000 BILLIONS of credits.
What would you do in game?
The "final" scene of this game should be the multiplayer part. Concerning BGS, PP or just role playing. A place in Elite for veteran players who want to keep playing it.
Rest of people will have the same option too. Just log in and see some conversations in chat would give this game A LOT of life. Same with cooperation, attack, undermining or defense, players hunting... etc.
That's why I cannot understand why you consider these ideas so bad.
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I agree with this.
Sorry...but PVP IS rare...and its results have been MEANINGFUL....you just have to look at the playstyle, the actions of the PVP crowd, and the outcome to see the situation in the proper light...those Brits have a dry sense of humor.
WorldsGreatestForumDad
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STOP AGREEING WITH ME PEOPLE! I cant handle it!
They are and I don't think anyone here will deny it's been a long time coming...however, it still does not change the mode system and the inherent problems....it adds some difference of play for the PVP crowd...but still does not plug their actions into the game itself....it basically will segregate the PVP players in Open, into anarchy systems and systems nearest the penal colonies...which means some dangerous places will be more so...but in the end it will just add grind and time sinks onto the PVP crowd....
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Agree... It's making me feel queasy. :/
Wait. I should't have agreed with you there. Dam it!
We do not disagree with good ideas...just ideas that cannot occur within the game....you have to accept the way the game is fundamentally designed...and let your requests come following those design descisions...
Breath dude...and think.....seriously.
PVP still has no meaning....all these changes mean is that PVP just got segregated in Open.
Sorry, but I don't follow. Can you explain a bit more, please?
Disregarding the Open only...this actually could work in the server system...they just have to allow anarchy systems to have a wider range of movement from the galactic average....I have not seen many anarchy systems that are a very large producer of 'things'....and moving a current system into anarchy...and holding it there would be a BGS undertaking of interesting proportions....
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