Modes [Suggestion] How to incentivise open play and make it relevant

[Robert Maynard]

ATTACKING SOMEONE THOUGH THE BGS IS PVP. Hello?



It also says hunt other commanders, but you cant do that and have an impact. The only reason to do it, is consensual. Or Salt-mining.

Thats why this craps gonna change.

Indirect PvP, yes - by design - like PowerPlay, CGs, Factions, the BGS, etc.

It does say "hunt other commanders" is does not say that they will be able to be found (as Frontier cannot guarantee targets) nor that it will affect the BGS (as it doesn't mention the BGS in regard to hunting other players).

We'll see. Not everyone shares your opinion.

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

Wrong, you can take missions to hunt any profession and CMDRs class for that mission.

So it does have an impact on the BGS doing PvP - as long as you have the mission to support it.

LOL. They arent going to show if there is an objective. The only fights in this game is consensual or salt. We both know this.

Indirect PvP, yes - by design - like PowerPlay, CGs, Factions, the BGS, etc.

It does say "hunt other commanders" is does not say that they will be able to be found (as Frontier cannot guarantee targets) nor that it will affect the BGS (as it doesn't mention the BGS in regard to hunting other players).

We'll see. Not everyone shares your opinion.

The design is bad. And 5 years of hotel california proves this.

The thought is good. The BGS is a wonderful thing. How ya'll go about using it is the bad thing.

Its not just my opinion its MANY MANY peoples opinions. And it stops becoming opinion. When you have the proof to back it up.

 

[Asp Explorer]

Its not just my opinion its MANY MANY peoples opinions. And it stops becoming opinion. When you have the proof to back it up.

What facts can you present?

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

What facts can you present?

He wouldn't recognize a fact if it painted itself purple and danced on a harpsichord singing "those happy facts are here again".

 

[Robert Maynard]

The design is bad. And 5 years of hotel california proves this.

The thought is good. The BGS is a wonderful thing. How ya'll go about using it is the bad thing.

Its not just my opinion its MANY MANY peoples opinions. And it stops becoming opinion. When you have the proof to back it up.

If the game was intended to be dominated by PvP then I'd agree that the design is bad - but there would be no Solo or Private Groups if that was the case.

It's not, so I don't.

How many, in relation to the player-base, is "MANY MANY"?

Proof? There is a video of proof that an unopposable BGS effect trounced a group of players. That could as easily have happened in Open as either of the other two modes - because, once dropped to normal space, a player is undetectable in the system....

 

[Jockey79]

LOL. They arent going to show if there is an objective.

Players that class as mission targets do not know they are mission targets, they don't get told.

So you're wrong on using PvP to push the BGS, you can use PvP to attack and defend the BGS.

The only fights in this game is consensual or salt. We both know this.

So you admit you're only after targets for salt mining then?
As the consensual PvP'ers are in Open all ready.

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

Players that class as mission targets do not know they are mission targets, they don't get told.

So you're wrong on using PvP to push the BGS, you can use PvP to attack and defend the BGS.



So you admit you're only after targets for salt mining then?
As the consensual PvP'ers are in Open all ready.

Not at all. I have opposed CG's, but ive never went after noobs or anything like that.

Im just saying they offer or hunt other commanders. But for what? And why?

Merge the playstyles and we have a real game. Otherwise. Its the same, OMG HE GRIEFED ME nonsense we see now.

And people just stop playing. No one really goes for objective control in open. What for? Less risk. Once again the video proves that.

 

[Jockey79]

Im just saying they offer or hunt other commanders. But for what? And why?

You can hunt other CMDRs, why? Because you were given a mission to kill traders/explorers/bounty hunters/ pirates....

Or just because you can and want to hunt them.

Merge the playstyles and we have a real game.

We have a real game, whether you like it or not is irrelevant.

Don't like it? Then don't spend money in the cash shop and don't play it.

You wallet and absence will speak louder than anything you've posted so far.

Once again the video proves that.

I'm still waiting for any real proof. Not seen any so far, apart you think 273 is "lots" / "many" / "majority"

 

[Robert Maynard]

Merge the playstyles and we have a real game. Otherwise. Its the same, OMG HE GRIEFED ME nonsense we see now.

As mentioned previously, PvE and PvP are merged in both multi-player modes.

What you seem to be talking about is to make Solo and Private Groups meaningless in relation to the BGS game.

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

As mentioned previously, PvE and PvP are merged in both multi-player modes.

What you seem to be talking about is to make Solo and Private Groups meaningless in relation to the BGS game.

Yeah I am. You're playing single player mode. For yourself. Or your group. Not the rest of the playerbase.

Pretty cut and dry. Sorry.

Again, you dont need to tell me. wah wah thats how the game was designed. I know the game. And i know its faults. And I see and others see why things arent working. And its this issue alone.

Solo and group play should only be for yourself, or your group. You shouldnt have an impact on the rest of the playerbase. ESPECIALLY IF YOU GO OUT OF YOUR WAY TO OPT OUT OF IT.

 

[Asp Explorer]

Fresh lulzbuckets gentlemen?

Every player has an impact on the rest of the playerbase. Players, it seems, opt out of Open precisely because pew-pews went out of their way to get people out of it.

Remember the dozens of "Git Gud or run and hide in Solo or Mobius" and "Group X Owns Open" posts?

They have reaped precisely what they sowed

 

[Jockey79]

Neat. Game features still dont work.

Nothing to do with the Mode system, so irrelevant.

Powerplay is used for module hopping,

That's a bad design for Power Play then, no reason to stick with a power or support one for more than 4 weeks.
Nothing to do with the Mode system, so irrelevant.

and people wont use open for objectives.

That's down to how your lot treat other people.
Nothing to do with the Mode system, so irrelevant.

Open NEEDS the Incentive for the risk.

Open got it's rewards by giving you people to shoot at and enjoying it.
That was your reward.

Solo players don't get the special adrenaline rush of the hollow square, they need a bonus to make up for it.

They gave something a shot. And it didnt work.

Your opinion.

40,000 Mobius members woulds disagree.

(yes that number is more than 273, you're in the minority)

You simply cant mesh multiplayer features with a single player mode. That gives single players an advantage over the whole OPEN player base by reducing the risks vs others.

Warframe, has Solo, Private and Open. Is an MMO that also has PvP and factions that own stuff change according to what side gets more PvE players sign up and run the missions.
Mode options work fine.

They work fine here.

And there is no consequences for attacking another player through the BGS in solo mode.

Yes there is, do it back to them.

 

[Robert Maynard]

Solo and group play should only be for yourself, or your group. You shouldnt have an impact on the rest of the playerbase. ESPECIALLY IF YOU GO OUT OF YOUR WAY TO OPT OUT OF IT.

We'll obviously never agree on that point.

... simply because I choose to opt out of PvP, as the game is designed to let me. Not out of the community.

 

[Rampant]

Legit question here.

How is it I can come here and disprove everything you guys say with video evidence?

Remember I didnt come to this battle with an empty gun.

Ive shown and proven everything. GG.

Quite simply.

You haven't.

You haven't acknowledged the carbuncle that would be created in cross-platform, cross P2P Instance mechanics. (Complete with block lists and time of day choices.)

You haven't acknowledged the fundamental decision rhat FDev took well before rhe game was released that All Modes necessarily affect the single shared BGS.

Frankly, I believe you'll just keep ignoring those issues.

Yours

Mark H

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

Nothing to do with the Mode system, so irrelevant.



That's a bad design for Power Play then, no reason to stick with a power or support one for more than 4 weeks.
Nothing to do with the Mode system, so irrelevant.



That's down to how your lot treat other people.
Nothing to do with the Mode system, so irrelevant.



Open got it's rewards by giving you people to shoot at and enjoying it.
That was your reward.

Solo players don't get the special adrenaline rush of the hollow square, they need a bonus to make up for it.



Your opinion.

40,000 Mobius members woulds disagree.

(yes that number is more than 273, you're in the minority)



Warframe, has Solo, Private and Open. Is an MMO that also has PvP and factions that own stuff change according to what side gets more PvE players sign up and run the missions.
Mode options work fine.

They work fine here.



Yes there is, do it back to them.

Who has more time in their life to spend on a game wins by default. Its not balanced nor any skill needed.

Quite simply.

You haven't.

You haven't acknowledged the carbuncle that would be created in cross-platform, cross P2P Instance mechanics. (Complete with block lists and time of day choices.)

You haven't acknowledged the fundamental decision rhat FDev took well before rhe game was released that All Modes necessarily affect the single shared BGS.

Frankly, I believe you'll just keep ignoring those issues.

Yours

Mark H

I have. Proven it time and time again. Not my problem you refuse to see it or acknowledge it. But I dont have to prove it to you. When Ive already shown and proven it to frontier. In which they have acknowledged. GG

 

[Jockey79]

Solo and group play should only be for yourself, or your group. You shouldnt have an impact on the rest of the playerbase. ESPECIALLY IF YOU GO OUT OF YOUR WAY TO OPT OUT OF IT.

But this is the game that was advertised and sold to me. It was also advertised and sold to you the same way.
So we should have an impact on all of it, because that is what we paid to do.

You bought the wrong game.

 

[Robert Maynard]

Who has more time in their life to spend on a game wins by default. Its not balanced nor any skill needed.

Balanced, as in every action of every player equally affects the BGS? The fact that players can choose to play in game modes where they may be opposed by other players which may in turn mean that they complete fewer actions to be counted towards the BGS does not mean that it is unbalanced - it means that some players choose to play among other players who may oppose them.

BGS skill, yes. PvP skill, not really.

 

[Jockey79]

Who has more time in their life to spend on a game wins by default. Its not balanced nor any skill needed.

Well as it is a continuation of a sandbox game with no end.

There is no "win".
If there were a way to "win", there would be a right way to play and there isn't.

I have. Proven it time and time again. Not my problem you refuse to see it or acknowledge it. But I dont have to prove it to you. When Ive already shown and proven it to frontier. In which they have acknowledged. GG

You've not shown any proof at all.

A video of someone moaning, a Reddit thread that disproved what you were saying and a Reddit thread of an arrogant writer saying he could do better, yet wrote a sucky event for the game.

None of this is "proof".

 

[CMDR_Elver]

If you dissect my words you would find that I do, to a very limited extent, agree that risk versus reward should be balanced.

This does not imply that I favour any kind of limited content or influence in any of the modes, nor any kind of increase if content or influence in any of the modes.

Quite plainly, however, those that *want* to play Open mode (for whatever reason) are already rewarded because they get full access to (whatever reason) by logging in to Open mode.

Risk versus reward. You get it automatically when using Open.

Is that not reward enough? Serious question.

Sorry but I can't let you get away with that! In-game risk and reward is different to how you choose to play the game. If you choose SOLO PG or OPEN it is because you enjoy presumably playing in those modes for whatever reason. This is a separate issue to in-game missions rewards etc. This should take into account risk, amongst other factors, not whether you enjoy playing the mode. Deliberate conflating the two is obtuse and obstructive!

 

[Gunnet]

Yeah I am. You're playing single player mode. For yourself. Or your group. Not the rest of the playerbase. Pretty cut and dry. Sorry. Again, you dont need to tell me. wah wah thats how the game was designed. I know the game. And i know its faults. And I see and others see why things arent working. And its this issue alone. Solo and group play should only be for yourself, or your group. You shouldnt have an impact on the rest of the playerbase. ESPECIALLY IF YOU GO OUT OF YOUR WAY TO OPT OUT OF IT.

It's not a single player mode though. We use the word "mode" as a convenience, but all the open/group/solo selection really does is determine who you can instance with. Mere social filters.

Everybody is playing the same game in the same shared galaxy, which reacts to all players' actions equally in order to create a believable and immersive game world.