Modes [Suggestion] How to incentivise open play and make it relevant

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

It's not a single player mode though. We use the word "mode" as a convenience, but all the open/group/solo selection really does is determine who you can instance with. Mere social filters. Everybody is playing the same game in the same shared galaxy, which reacts to all players' actions equally in order to create a believable and immersive game world.

Are there other commanders in solo? Will someone from the outside directly attack you in your private group for pressing an objective?

NOOPEEEEEEE

Unbalanced.

Well as it is a continuation of a sandbox game with no end.

There is no "win".
If there were a way to "win", there would be a right way to play and there isn't.



You've not shown any proof at all.

A video of someone moaning, a Reddit thread that disproved what you were saying and a Reddit thread of an arrogant writer saying he could do better, yet wrote a sucky event for the game.

None of this is "proof".

Well Fdev seen the proof. I dont have to prove it to you. So live in denial. But when the changes come. Ill make sure to help revise your little wall of text.

 

[Jockey79]

Sorry but I can't let you get away with that! In-game risk and reward is different to how you choose to play the game. If you choose SOLO PG or OPEN it is because you enjoy presumably playing in those modes for whatever reason. This is a separate issue to in-game missions rewards etc. This should take into account risk, amongst other factors, not whether you enjoy playing the mode. Deliberate conflating the two is obtuse and obstructive!

Trying to say there is more risk is obscene.

I can spend a week in a Sidey, going about putting you all on block (as in EVERYONE, not just PvP'ers).
Then come back in my Cutter and play without the "risk" of anyone attacking me.

Then my friends do the same, but we don't block each other and viola.
We have a private group in Open Mode, using the tools Frontier supplied.

I'll take that bonus now please

 

[Gunnet]

Are there other commanders in solo? Will someone from the outside directly attack you in your private group for pressing an objective?

NOOPEEEEEEE

Unbalanced.

That's not even an answer to my post.

 

[Rampant]

They force BGS attacks. Something you cant opt out of? While in solo mode? You can pick a mode and remove direct pvp. you cant the other way around.

YEAH ROBERT IS SELFISH.

And you haven't acknowledged that the cast iron ONLY real way to defend from a BGS attack is to defend using the BGS.

*FACT*

And if you do the BGS thing in Open, where you're attackers are not, *they* won't see *you*.

Again, you haven't acknowledged the stunning beauty of this perfectly balanced game system.

It is just obtuse and obstructive, and frankly, shameful, to ignore these fundamental and relevant details.

Yours again

Mark H

 

[EUS]

open is unbalanced as wings pays out n* what non wing'd players get, @ 1/n times the amount of effort.
n= amount of players in wing.
Not to mention the already built-in merit unbalance that wing'd player get too.

UNBALANCED I SAY! UNBALANCED!
Get rid of these unbalanced features that exist in open.

 

[Jockey79]

Well Fdev seen the proof. I dont have to prove it to you.

And I have a friend who swears they have seen Santa, Bigfoot and the Tooth Fairy - I didn't believe them either.

If you had actual proof of anything you'd have put it up here as your first post and not the rubbish I've been laughing at for over a week.

273 comments is not proof, your screen grab from support is a well worded "thanks for your input" (aka: move along) email.
So Drew has an opinion, he isn't FDev and yet you show his Reddit post as if he were.

Dude, I used to collect evidence used in courts of law for a living. I know proof when I see it.
(ex UK constable)

And if you had proof that could knock down "The Wall of Information" you really would have used it by now, Code and SDC would hail you as a God for that.
You'd get so many +1 rep points, you'd break the forums.

You have conjecture and a few opinions.

The game is how it was intended to be at this stage, Frontier are working on adding the next wave of content and it will be done in a way that works with the mode system.

 

[Rampant]

Who has more time in their life to spend on a game wins by default. Its not balanced nor any skill needed.

You're talking about PvP combat here, right?

As for your "proof", you haven't uttered a single word on here acknowledging that perhaps it wouldn't be a good idea to mess with the modes and BGS. You would have to agree to my proof on the monstrosities of implications it throws up, but no, you have just ignored it.

Time and again you have been educated that the *only* real way to massage the BGS in your favour us to play the BGS, and not try to PvP combat your way into getting the BGS in your favour. But you still wantonly ignore this fundamental truth.

Time and again you say that you can't "defend" against a BGS attack. We gave demonstrated that this is a barefaced lie.

So much for your "proof". It just doesn't address the fundamental core issues.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

All of a sudden, no post for 30 minutes.

Now that's irony.

 

[CMDR_Elver]

Trying to say there is more risk is obscene.

I can spend a week in a Sidey, going about putting you all on block (as in EVERYONE, not just PvP'ers).
Then come back in my Cutter and play without the "risk" of anyone attacking me.

Then my friends do the same, but we don't block each other and viola.
We have a private group in Open Mode, using the tools Frontier supplied.

I'll take that bonus now please

Give yourself a clap! You've found a pretty obvious exploit with a feature designed to be an anti-trolling tool. That is beyond pathetic!

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

Give yourself a clap! You've found a pretty obvious exploit with a feature designed to be an anti-trolling tool. That is beyond pathetic!

Yep, anything to have an advantage over everyone else that opposes them. Instead of gitting gud. They stay bad and cheat. Or try to stop any ad-vocation for change. By any means necessary.

While others are just asking for game balance. And right now, its hardly balanced at all.

Shortcuts shortcuts shortcuts.

 

[Asp Explorer]

Any bad who can make a perceived opponent, that they have never met in-game, or will interact with at any level other than the most elemental BGS calculations, get into such apparent discomfort that events like this occur, is not a bad, but an accomplished PVPer who has indeed gud gitted.

 

[Stigbob]

Yep, anything to have an advantage over everyone else that opposes them. Instead of gitting gud. They stay bad and cheat. Or try to stop and ad-vocation for change. By any means necessary.

While others are just asking for game balance. And right now, its hardly balanced at all.

Shortcuts shortcuts shortcuts.

Have you considered gitting gud at the BGS, as an alternative to whining ineffectually.

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

Have you considered gitting gud at the BGS, as an alternative to whining ineffectually.

I know the BGS.

 

[Jockey79]

Give yourself a clap! You've found a pretty obvious exploit with a feature designed to be an anti-trolling tool. That is beyond pathetic!

Not sure you know what the word "exploit" means. A feature introduced by Frontier to help me control whom I play with, is fine to use.

Paying for level 5 engineering upgrades at level 1 prices, is an "exploit".

See the difference?

I know the BGS.

Yes, but you need to "git gud" to attack me with it

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

Not sure you know what the word "exploit" means. A feature introduced by Frontier to help me control whom I play with, is fine to use.

Paying for level 5 engineering upgrades at level 1 prices, is an "exploit".

See the difference?



Yes, but you need to "git gud" to attack me with it

Okay

 

[Asp Explorer]

I know the BGS.

So you willfully chose to ignore it when things were going downhill for your faction?

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

So you willfully chose to ignore it when things were going downhill for your faction?

Nope, they have been beaten.

 

[Roybe]

1500 posts, just around the corner! Why can't everyone accept the E: D definition of PVP means a PVE trophy chase between antagonistic groups?

 

[Robert Maynard]

1500 posts, just around the corner! Why can't everyone accept the E: D definition of PVP means a PVE trophy chase between antagonistic groups?

https://static.tumblr.com/5230e8674.../tumblr_static_tumblr_static_filename_640.gif

I'd expect that the majority of players do - however some players can't accept the design of the game and want direct PvP to be mandatory if one wishes to affect the BGS....

 

[Kruger]

Man, Robert is just tanking everything thrown at him. Robert has earned my eternal respect.

And sort of off topic, but it's been mentioned that part of Frontier's advertisement for the game states "Hunt other Commanders" despite that going against the lore of the Pilots Federation (Of which every player is a part). I understand from a gameplay perspective it's impossible as you can't just boot players from your game for attacking other players given how the game was developed and thus the inclusion of a PF bounty for such actions. Again, off topic; just find it interesting.



I've brought this up before in the previous thread, but I don't know if it's been addressed, but before that I need some clarification. So, this idea to remove BGS influence from Solo and PG, is that just for these "PvP" Factions? Or does this include ALL factions? Now, I don't really get involved with all these groups so I wouldn't be able to spot a player group if I saw it. As such, I run missions for the minor factions that support a Major Faction (Federation, Alliance, and Empire). I ask because I'm in the US Military and deploy often. And the internet overseas isn't exactly something to be proud of, especially with how many other military members use it at any given point. The connection is so bad that I can't play in anything other than Solo. I don't want my game play experience hampered because I'm on a connection that I can't DO anything about. Nothing like trying to relax after a long exhausting day fighting for our freedom only to find the game no longer registers my time in game.

So, if this only affects the "PvP Factions" and not any of the others, then I can reluctantly allow it. Though I'd probably wonder why my work for one faction might not be doing anything should I stumble across one in-game. The moment you remove the BGS from Solo and PG completely is when I'll start fighting back.