Robert Maynard
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What's permanent about a week long (OPEN only) CG?
CGs are a recurring permanent feature - have been since 1.1.... No CGs have been limited to a single game mode.
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CGs are a recurring permanent feature - have been since 1.1.... No CGs have been limited to a single game mode.
I didn't know that. Recently I was in a debate on this forum where I was told Elite is bleeding players drastically, and that no one is playing in Open. If there's 2.75 million Open players, then I don't see any panic to save ED or make people play in Open. 2.75 mil is quite a large number.
I do remember a discussion on the block feature and FD said friends on your list will overide a block, so if you drop into a instance where a friend is flying and a blocked player is already there you will see them
Good find.
Oh, and that's the total number of sold copies. Well, I have more than one copy, two of my kids have their own but aren't playing, and besides, all those players aren't playing in Open. So "2.75 million in Open" can't be right whichever way we want to turn it.
Exactly. 2.75 million can't be a sign of Elite "bleeding players in Open" (as it was told to me recently). And it if all those are in Open, it can't be empty there and a need of adding incentive for staying there. Just imagine, if 2.75m means it's empty and too many are playing in Solo/PG, it means that even more people are playing in Solo/PG than Open. It can't be a handful of people in Solo that are soooooo needed to be brought in. A few Solo players won't be a drop in the ocean if they play either mode.
CGs are a recurring permanent feature - have been since 1.1.... No CGs have been limited to a single game mode.
...Let's not say we didn't sensibly discuss a viable proposal/mechanics when we could instead get into the far more productive field of the semantics of some text...
Yeah. Another thread pointed out some Steam statistics that there's some 100,000 unique players in a 2 week period. That's the only number we have, as far as I know. And that's Open, Solo, and PG together.I'd say that's a pretty safe bet...
Robert Maynard
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Semantics are concerned with meaning - and to suggest that a single CG is not a permanent feature, while strictly correct, ignores the fact that they occur on a regular basis and have done for years.
Moving on....
There are CGs that offer combat in Open - they are, however, not restricted to participation in Open - and restricting content to Open only is something that Frontier do rarely (three times in three years, to my knowledge - two competitions for tangible rewards and once because Frontier could not get NPCs to act as the quarry in the hunt for information).
Citation required for that too.
Points:
1) 2.75M relates to franchise units (i.e. copies of Elite: Dangerous and copies of Horizons). Therefore the number of players can be no larger than the number of individual copies of Elite: Dangerous, i.e. less than the 2.75M total as the total includes copies of the Horizons season. We don't know how many of these players still play nor which mode they play in - Frontier do, however.
2) The Mobius Groups would seem to have about 40,000 members. We don't know how many of these players still play nor which mode they play in - Frontier do, however.
Yes, the 40,000 number is how many players have access to Mobius. No one has any idea how many players are active in Mobius. How many Mobius players just signed up to have another private board to board flip through for missions etc.
Using that logic, the total number of games sold is the number of players that have access to open. And we are in the same boat here. We have no idea how many actually play in open. The number of players with access to solo would be the same number.
And a quick Google search gave me the 2.75 million number. If it includes Horizons sales, my apologies. We can be conservative and say open has 1 million players.
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*We* can't - not with any hope of accuracy. Frontier, on the other hand, have full access.
What's permanent about a week long (OPEN only) CG?
Pretty sure he was pointing the to PP suggestion, etc.
Semantincs, potahtoes....pretty sure at some point a slippery slope gets involved and a banana meets a strawman...
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Old message but... First of all, vast majority of cases. Eve is the special snowflake. They made it. Meanwhile for every Eve online there is Pathfinder online or similar that crashed and burned.
Also, how about answering my question. How can you say that issue are the PG/Solo and NOT timezones, connections, platforms etc etc.
So you fly T-9, in heavily populated area and tell where you are? And you do this exclusively?
Good for you.
But then again, some people just enjoy being punished. Problem is, vast majority do not.
I'm fairly sure there's been the odd bit of talk that this and the issues where CMDRs can duck into SOLO which can result in some questionable outcomes for those playing in OPEN.
I believe there's been the suggestion that maybe accuring the resulting between OPEN and non-OPEN might be a better way to value activity in both modes. Or indeed, I believe someone might have mentioned about even considering even creating OPEN only examples them to address this.
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Indeed - but you missed out a pertinent part of my post:
Frontier is not in the habit of gating content behind a direct PvP barrier - in this game where direct PvP is entirely optional, by design.
This is probably a bad example. I have done most, if not all, my Power Play paper deliveries in open and it was rare to see anyone and I was never opposed. I'd say this is more due to the open/solo issue. There isn't really any point to try and block the deliveries in open because of the invisible tsunami is in solo.
Their prefered game style has a distinct advantage and they don't want it to change.
The defense of the advantage leads to all kinds of twisted logic, but it is human nature.
The most fun I've had in Elite Dangerous is straight up fighting PVP.
The 2nd most fun I've had in Elite Dangerous is running cargo in open to a cargo CG and getting through the blockade.
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