You and your camp are responsible for all the negativity. 15 imaginary pixel spaceships got destroyed by 4 people and then hundreds of pages of vitriol and idiocy took place here over it. It's sad.
News Support update - Reiteration of player harassment rules
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You and your camp are responsible for all the negativity. 15 imaginary pixel spaceships got destroyed by 4 people and then hundreds of pages of vitriol and idiocy took place here over it. It's sad.
Exactly that. Frontier now say they will act and still SDC, says they won't. place your bets now.
I really don't see what the issue is in the statement. It's pretty clear. "PvP is fine but don't be a moron."
It's Fdev's game, they can interpret *their* rules however they like. Don't like it? Tough it's their game, their rules. If you want different rules go somewhere that has rules you do like.
I mean people do the in game equivalent of going to the tour de france and sticking broomsticks in the wheels of the riders as they zoom past, or trip up runners in the London marathon and they don't expect ramifications or consequences of doing so? Sorry guys you made your bed, lie in it.
What is more fun however is seeing people who enjoy salt mining being salt mined themselves and the amount of semantic wrangling going on just adds to the irony
It's Fdev's game, they can interpret *their* rules however they like. Don't like it? Tough it's their game, their rules. If you want different rules go somewhere that has rules you do like.
I mean people do the in game equivalent of going to the tour de france and sticking broomsticks in the wheels of the riders as they zoom past, or trip up runners in the London marathon and they don't expect ramifications or consequences of doing so? Sorry guys you made your bed, lie in it.
What is more fun however is seeing people who enjoy salt mining being salt mined themselves and the amount of semantic wrangling going on just adds to the irony
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The perfect example of this would be a nightclub, the rowdy drunks have just been told to calm it down or leave by the head bouncer. Being rowdy drunks they are now puffing up their little chests and taking off their t-shirts revealing scrawny chests, poor personal hygiene and badly spelled tattoo's. What they haven't noticed is the rest of the bouncers standing right behind them, the other customers are watching waiting for the fun.
You can report the player and allow FDEV to act according to their policies and the available evidence.
And being friendly I would be in favour of a large pop up when any player clicks on Open stating "this is an unmoderated public mode, entering here you must expect to be killed for no reason with no warning and have the experience recorded for public display on YouTube and reddit."
I have no interest in witch hunting players in Open. My only interest here is how this clarification plays out in private groups.
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Thanks a lot! This direction is very welcome.
I was part of that thread. I don't remember anyone talking about attacking the player group with the name SDC. I only read stuff about taking on the NPC minor faction SDC. You guys seem to get very confused between players and NPCs. It makes one wonder
Don't be silly. Of course there is such a thing as bad publicity. Namely publicity that puts people off playing the game.
Yeah. You mean like every forum since the dawn of the internet? It's a bit like trust. You can do 100 things to gain someone's trust but you break it once and you're untrustworthy. Some SDC people did some extremely questionable things and *they* tarred and feathered SDC. Perhaps you guys should take this up with them and deal with them appropriately rather than trying to claim that everyone who has an issue with their actions is wrong or whatever.
Wow! That's quite surprising. You've bought enough copies of the game for other people to actually have a statistically significant effect on the game as a whole! Gosh, you're rich!
ps. you've already given them the money though. Unlike EVE, ED has no subscription model so you throwing your toys out of the pram and storming off doesn't have as much impact as you seem to think it will. Doom sayers have almost always been proved wrong over time.
If the player that killed you then uploads a video of them and their mates all laughing about it and insulting you, and then goes on to post said video in loads of gloating forum threads about mining salt and carebears, then that would quite obviously be harassment, yes. As clearly stated in the OP.
And that's one of the reasons Elite Dangerous is the ultimate ground breaking sim! Literally everything you're doing behind your sticks is determining your fate. You can simulate your pilot's fate... Amazing!!! <3
Majinvash
Banned
Well that makes even less sense.
How are we to know what is classed as fun for everyone?
What if myself and some friends are player pirating and having a great time doing so. So much fun in fact we record it and then want to share it.
To later find the person we pirated got all salty and after seeing the video cries to FDEV because he felt griefed/harassed?
Should we then get banned?
The whole wing?
The person who interdicted?
The person who fired the last shot?
The person who got the most cargo?
The person who's voice is the loudest on the video?
What if the person who uploaded the video, took the clip from a someone else's stream because he enjoyed it so much and wanted to share that?
Other than a possible ownership of material issue, who should get banned?
What if a private video is made because people are worried that it might be classed as griefing ( which is still a nonsense term, unless you use an exploit ).
This video gets out and the host isn't made aware until it goes viral. Who should get banned then?
Majinvash
The Voice of Open
This is quite clearly intended to have an effect outside of the game and this is a clear example of harassment.............. Its not a funny if you are the only one laughing
A ridiculous long list of "what if's" isn't actually an argument you know. I'll tell you what would happen, FDev would judge the situation on a case-by-case basis and come to a decision.
The OP clearly states it's about the context of each individual situation.
It's really simple. I'm amazed you guys still don't get it. If you act like a word I can't say on the forum and someone reports you and if Frontier investigate and make the decision that you, in fact, did act like a word I can't say on the forum you get banned.
Simples!
The message of the day is..... don't act like a word I can't say on the forum.
Most of us trust Frontier to act sensibly in this matter. Those who want to treat others like punching bags, intentionally humiliating and belittling them out of game, are the ones arguing against their rulings. It's pretty simple to spot who aren't nice people and I don't mean in game.
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The point was that members of a certain well-know PvP group managed to infiltrate a well-known PvE private group (who's group rules pretty much exclude any form of negative player interaction) purely to disrupt the gameplay in that group by going against group rules. I get that by playing in Open, you accept a certain level of risk, and should you wish to avoid it, yes, go play in PG/Solo modes. (I do. A lot. Because I don't care for PvP.). And that's exactly what members of said PvE group did. They were playing in a group dedicated to PvE because they didn't want to engage in PvP at that time.
If you can't see that repeatedly attacking the same player repeatedly for no other reason than your own enjoyment, or that taking PvP gameplay into a group dedicated to PvE gameplay is harassment, I think you seriously need to take a look at yourself and start thinking about where your moral compass points.
You identify yourself as "Code Pirate, Player killer, Rogue, The Voice of Open, Mobius Infiltrator."
According to FD's statement, next time you "infiltrate" Mobius, FB may help clarify your understanding.
Majinvash
Banned
What like they are dealing with combat loggers and cheaters?
*Trembles*
Anyway, I have been into Mobius and had my fun there.
They are buffing open in other news, so why would I want to go back?
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No these are valid questions I want answers to.
ED is LIFE!
This is no game!
Majinvash
The Voice of Open
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You have plenty of ammo at Dogmaa, you know that?
Thanks Sandro for putting this down in text. People would like to stretch rules, but they clearly know when they are breaking them. As far as I see - try to disrupt and push meta game too far will get you shadow banned. FD has been very liberal with this, but they will run out of patience now and then. Disrupting charity streams and gatherings is just not cool bros. And ohh yes, there's lot of subjectivity going down in evaluating this, but as far as I see it is at the end of *very* liberal spectrum, so you really should not complaining.
Why did you want to go there in the first place? The obvious assumption is to generate upset. I mean, intentionally entering a group that you KNOW is pve only with the express intention of killing players can only really be for a few reasons.
It can't be accidental as an apology would have followed and there have been none from any of you so it must have been intentional.
So due to it being intentional and you KNOWING it would upset people the most likely scenario is because you wanted to cause as much upset as you could. Ergo, you were intentionally griefing people.
Now, in open I get it. The definition of griefing is grey to the exteme but it's not when you enter a publicised PVE group with the express intention of killing people. In fact, you can argue anything you like but that is the obvious and default assumption and really, considering that, any argument you come up with in opposition to that should be assumed to be a lie.
Just because you *want* answers doesn't mean Frontier have any obligation to give them to you. I want a giant pink space elephant but I'm pretty sure Frontier won't give one to me
As for your last 2 comments, I really hope for your sake they're sarcasm otherwise the white coat with the long arms will be awaiting you in your next residence, I suspect
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