Surface and subsurface need a balance pass.

[Deleted member 115407]

Oki, sounds good.

I won't stop until I've found me some of the new Ores myself

But before that, I'll give the FSS a longer run.

PS.
Blowing Asteroids up just for the sake of the visuals is a good reason to carry Seismic Charges alone

lol - agreed. I actually enjoy the min games

 

[Deleted member 115407]

Painite drills are getting me about an 80% yield.

Found a 44% painite rock, crackable, no subsurface.

I got 16T, but I think I forgot to surface mine it. Will find another one.

 

[Deleted member 115407]

So I half- it, and just mined whatever came along, but I still picked up 87 Painite, plus a bunch of other stuff in about an hour.

That's 10M and change. Maybe a touch less, but I was careless with my collectors. And had to dump a ton of limpets.

I wasn't hunting for fissures, but the one pure painite roid with fissures that I did strip got me about 16-18T of painite. Wasn't trouble at all.

And although it isn't 300k a ton, still a very good mining run.

And now some crazy cat is offering me 6M Cr to go blow up passenger liners, so I may have to do that for a while.

 

[Deleted member 115407]

OK, I just had a crappy run. RNG I guess. It happens. Happened in the old system too, sometimes.

 

[metatheurgist]

OK, I just had a crappy run. RNG I guess. It happens. Happened in the old system too, sometimes.

As I said I the beta forum. The new mining is like the old mining, it's just that everything is magnified. Instead of probing every rock, you now only probe the bright glowing ones the PWS shows you. It's still a crap shoot as to whether it's worth mining or not (exept you now have a smaller pool of candidates). To make up for it, the yield is now 200K instead of (maybe) 120K for painite.

It's 2 separate types of mining because the tools don't work together and to even get to be able to do both you have to turn your ship into a Swiss army knife. You really are better off either doing one or the other type of mining.

 

[CMDR Corlas]

New mining mechanics do need a way to get materials, I would be ok is the displacement missiles were for releasing materials from rocks. It would make them a lot more useful, at least.

 

[uliando]

OK so we have mechanics nailed down, just payment sux. Typical. WE NEED UNION FOR THIS STUPID GAME PEOPLE! MINERS NEED TO PAY BILLS TOO! Come one people YELL!

 

[CMDR Redcrest]

OK so we have mechanics nailed down, just payment sux. Typical. WE NEED UNION FOR THIS STUPID GAME PEOPLE! MINERS NEED TO PAY BILLS TOO! Come one people YELL!

The GMU (Galactic Miners Union)* support you in this!

*We were going to call ourselves GUM but that was already taken by the... er... 'clinic of weekend delights'...

 

[Deleted member 115407]

OK so we have mechanics nailed down, just payment sux. Typical. WE NEED UNION FOR THIS STUPID GAME PEOPLE! MINERS NEED TO PAY BILLS TOO! Come one people YELL!

The payments don't suck. They've added 10+ mineable minerals that pull 200-300k per ton.

The problem is that surface deposits tend to always be junk commodities, and subsurface, while better commodities, could yield a bit more.

But aside from that, mining is very lucrative now.

 

[Medusil]

So, at best the payouts are the same by mixing in non-core mining, at worst they are worse.
Still a bit imbalanced.
Right now all tool mining is worse than or equal to core mining
It should be superior to core only mining.

 

[Conch]

OK so we have mechanics nailed down, just payment sux. Typical. WE NEED UNION FOR THIS STUPID GAME PEOPLE! MINERS NEED TO PAY BILLS TOO! Come one people YELL!

i heard frontier is gonna sell yellow vests in the store.

 

[Deleted member 38366]

Making another run inside a Mote Hotspot.

An hour into the run :
- Mote? No trace of it. Nothing.

Only a single Asteroid with a Serendibite Core was found by accident.
It yielded : 3 (three) tons.

No idea anymore what I could do wrong.
But so far : Surface/SubSurface/Core Mining = waste of time

99% of everything I mine so far comes from the classic Mining Lasers. Compared to all the new methods, they're
- much much faster
- net me far higher and far more reliable yields

(entered a Benitoite Hotspot, got a lucky find quickly - same result : 3 tons Benitoite after cracking the Asteroid)

PS.
I'm prospecting every glowing Asteroid from the Pulse scan within 100km around the Hotspot center. No Mote anywhere.
In comparison, another trip into a Painite Hotspot worked like a charm, very nice yields as expected and Painite around every corner.

That's just weird IMHO *scratches head*

Edit
"M o n a z i t e" (the ore) is being censored and turned into "Mote" by the Forum (??)

 

[Hossi]

I spend the whole evening mining, and I think a can draw a nice resume now.

From the gameplay/execution side it is very well made. Really enjoable. The only thing in need of fixing is the aiming crosshair for the displacement Missiles and seismic Charges. They alway point to the centre of ship even when they are mounted on the side. So aiming becomes pure guesswork since the missile hits 40m from where I aimed.

From the payout:
- Sub-surface deposits: Hardly worth the efford. Its the same stuff I get from the lasers, but much less of it. A nice distraction by the side, but economicaly unsound.
-Surface deposits: For normal asteroids the same as above. The same stuff I get from lasering but much less and with much more efford. Its core-mining where this really starts to shine. Which brings us to
-Core Mining: Pretty good payout if you collect the surface deposits that are uncovered after the detonation. Very well made. Definetly the best part of the new mining system. Unfortunately cores are so rare, they might as well not exist. In 6 hours I found 5 cores, I used up 600 limpets for that. A real waste of development efford, why do you hide the best part of your work?

Oh, and these 'Hotspots'. I'll just assume they are bugged. I never, not once, found what they advertised. Not a single gram.

 

[Medusil]

With some training you can reliably find 5-6 cores an hour. Only prospect the very brightest asteroids. Just fly full boost speed through the ring, at the planet to make sure you're not doing circles

 

[Deleted member 38366]

lol finally figured out what went wrong all the time - turns out I pulverized the Asteroids and killed most of the fragments they're supposed to release (exceeded total Explosion yield).

Now seeing 14-16 tons after blowing them up correctly, that'll work

 

[Mengy]

No idea anymore what I could do wrong.
But so far : Surface/SubSurface/Core Mining = waste of time

99% of everything I mine so far comes from the classic Mining Lasers. Compared to all the new methods, they're
- much much faster
- net me far higher and far more reliable yields

You are not doing anything wrong, you are simply correct.

A lot of us brought up repeatedly during the beta that surface/sub-surface mining was WAY undertuned and virtually worthless to perform at current payout levels. Frontier did buff core mining by implementing the new ores, but it’s still only about on par with old fashioned laser mining, and honestly laser mining ends up being far more easy and reliable a method than core mining which is hugely dependent on the RNG blessing you.

Sadly though surface/sub-surface mining remains super unprofitable. It’s a terrible shame because the mechanics themselves are very well done and great fun, the devs just forgot to tune the numbers to make them worth doing, despite many of us asking for a buff ad nauseum.

The end result is you can totally ignore the sub-surface missile and not miss out on anything of value. At least it frees up a hardpoint?

 

[Kaybe]

Agreed. Only very few rocks have cores in them. All the other glowy ones only have surface and sub surface deposits, all of which don't pay out nearly enough for the precision effort of using those tools, *especially* sub surface mining which is a miserable pain unless you can get a very precise drilling angle.

 

[HugoStiglitz574]

i did one crack job and made a mil on one bang. THe only rock I have found that I could crack though